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This week's Lore Watch Podcast is just as majestic as the last, with even more discussion of the lore of Jurassic Park. This time, Joe, Matt, and special guest Eric O'Dea discuss the second set of Jurassic media, starting with Jurassic World. They give a rundown of the plots of the newer movies, then move into analysis. While scientific hubris clearly has its role to play, perhaps the true villain here is capitalism. But whatever the allegory or moral, I think we can all agree that dinosaurs are cool -- especially the ones InGen (or now, Masrani Global) made up along the way.
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Hello and welcome to Lore Watch, a runtable free form discussion about luring your favorite media. I'm your host, Joe Pres, one of several lore
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focused folks from Blizzard Watch. And I've got my uh adventuring paleontologist with me today, starting
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with Matt Rossy. How you doing today, Matt? Um I I can't do another dinosaur squawk, so yeah, I'm okay. Hi, guys.
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And also joining us is Eric uh who uh was gracious enough to join us for the last episode and is here for the the
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continuation of our discussion about the wonderful uh influence and world of Jurassic Park. How you doing, Eric?
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Now you do have plan on having dinosaurs on your on your dinosaur podcast, Joe. I mean, we got we got a we got a roar last
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time, Matt. Yeah, I said you're here, man. Make a noise. Oh, my turn.
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How about um the dilophilosaurus? Maybe like a There you go.
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Don't Don't do that. That's not cool. All right. Well, folks, we're going to be talking about the the second part of
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our Jurassic Park Extravaganza. Uh again, we will be looking forward to more questions from you in the future.
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And if you do have those questions, be sure to send those in. Uh you can hit us up on podcast at blizzardwatch.com. Specify the show that it is for on the
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subject line, as well as any special pronunciation of your name. You can also hit us up on Discord. We have the Q and
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podcast question channel where we have uh the same rules that apply and then we have the patron Q and podcast questions
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channel where we tend to look there first as a way of saying thank you to our Patreon subscribers for helping us keep the lights on. Uh but the first
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episode of this we talked about the first three movies uh and their influence on creating essentially the
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Jurassic Park generation. what the story did, why it did what it did, how they sort of course corrected or as some
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people will like to call it a retcon. Some of the items uh and created essentially a lifelong phenomena and
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love for dinosaurs that has spurred uh paleontologists to really like kids to
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become paleontologists and and discover a ton more about dinosaurs they didn't know before as well as get into DNA and
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and biosciences. So really important in and sort of keystone work for uh a very
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formative generation of people. But it's interesting. Therefore, and I wanted to bring this up really fast
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because Eric is here and Eric mentioned him in the last one. Uh Dr. Henry Woo
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was a pretty major character in the first book who died in that book. Um, he
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got his role cut way back in the first Jurassic Park movie, but he is possibly
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the most important character of the Jurassic World films, at least the first three, even though he's not in them all
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that much. He isn't like constantly on screen. His role is actually pretty
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astonishingly broad in the follow-up movies. Uh, I believe he's I believe
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he's tied for I believe he's tied for most onscreen appearances in movies with one or two other characters, which is,
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you know, he he's eaten by Velociraptors like 75% of the way through the first novel. So, he makes it through however
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he's in like five of the movies, including this middle trilogy here. He's a major character.
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He's in I think he's in the first three for sure. I don't know if he's in uh Rebirth. I'll be upfront. I have not
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seen Rebirth yet, guys. Sorry. I just haven't. Uh but the other three he's there like if it weren't for Woo's
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existence uh and his employment at Biosin uh yeah he the films wouldn't
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happen and he's got an arc too. I mean I'm sure we'll talk about it with talking about these three movies but he he's not just
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background character who's flat and saying I'm trying to figure out what science can do. He's he's he learns some
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things and he does some growing. Yeah. He's not science exposition man. He doesn't just show up to explain what
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what's happening. I'm glad you asked story. Uh but at the same time, a lot of
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the stuff that happens is very much it goes back to the thing you said about how in in a scene in the book he's
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talking to John Hammond and he makes the point that they don't have to make, you know, recreations of of re of quote
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unquote real dinosaurs. They're already failing. They're not real dinosaurs. So they can do whatever they want. They can
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make what people expect. And that is the that's the crucial plot line of Jurassic
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World is what happens if Henry Woo gets his way. Yeah. He even says at one of the movies
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he says like none of this is real. Like he's trying to stress that this is all like his creation. He gets he gets a
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little bit of the ego that comes over from the novel of like the god complex of like I have created this. I own it. I
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I'm all powerful until like, you know, in the later the the the Fallen Kingdom
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and Dominion, it kind of falls off a little bit, but the point of all of this is an illusion. All of this is just
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dinosaur like monsters we've created. Yeah. And so, you want to tell people like the plot of Jurassic World? You
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want me to do it again? Well, I I want I want to chime in with one one thing real quick before we do.
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Can I just comment about what a tragedy it was that the two main characters from the film reboots were not the children
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from the original movies? You can comment on that. Um I definitely I definitely would have liked that, but
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then I would only have liked it if they were the actors from the original. Yeah, they could have done that to you, but I just think I just think it was
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such a tragedy. All right, now you may proceed. All right, you want to do it or you want
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to do it, Eric? Uh you know what? Why don't you do it for consistency and I'll chime in when I can.
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Okay. Uh, basically when Jurassic World opens, we are given two new, you know,
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young point of view characters. They're two their brothers who are going to the new Jurassic World, which is a theme
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park on an island. I don't remember which island it's supposed to be. It is. It's Nublar. So, it's the one
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from the first movie. Yeah. Two and three are on Sorna and then we're back to Nublar. And it makes sense that it's Nublar for
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a reason that will come up later. Can we call Can we just call it Cloud Island because it's really bothering me that we're not
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Okay, Cloud Island. Um, when the kids get to there, they meet they're met by their aunt Claire, who is the operations
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manager for the park. She essentially has the job that uh Samuel L. Jackson's character had in the first uh movie. She
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But she's running an actual working theme park. It's a uh it's a collaboration between guy who's a jerk
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whose name I can't remember and in Jen to create the park that they've wanted
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to create since the first movie. They have now successfully made it. It is a real park you can go to and people are
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going to it. Um, as a result of all this, whilst you are watching from the perspective of these two kids whose aunt
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is effectively running the place, um, you've got a there are a whole bunch of quirky characters who show up, but who
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aren't really that important. But there's, uh, the character of Owen, who is played by Chris Pratt, who is a kind
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of a he's sort of like a good version of Moldun. He's like, he's Mold, but who doesn't shoot the animals, but instead
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wants to like he kind of wants to be like, you know, Steve Irwin, but of course, he's not as cool as Steve Irwin.
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Uh, quite frankly, as cool as Steve. Yeah, if Steve Irwin hadn't gotten killed by by, you know, manta rays, I
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feel like he should have just been in this movie. Um, regardless, he wants to actually get along with and study and
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even interact with the dinosaurs. He's he's actually training a group of velociaptors. Uh, I want to say Blue,
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Charlie, and Delta. Are those I know Blue is one of them, but I can't remember if it's Charlie and Delta or not. And Echo.
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And Echo. Okay. So, it's Blue, Charlie, Delta, and Echo. So, there's four of them. All right. Cool. Uh he's he's
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actually got them to respond to hand signals and even him doing weird poses which I feel like in this case is the
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velociraptor's humoring him because they don't know what that is. They're like what is he okay? I don't know. He
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doesn't he's why is he doing that with his hands? I I I no idea. Let's just back off. Um regardless he's like pretty
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much against this whole concept of you know he doesn't mind there being a park full of dinosaurs but he doesn't like
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some of the stuff that's being said by other people. Uh, I can't remember what Vic's last name is, but Vic is like, "We
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could weaponize these things." And he's like, "No, that is a terrible idea. Don't weaponize them." Um, but it turns
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out there's another dinosaur on this besides all the the ones that are, you know, real dinosaurs that we've all
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heard of. Of course, we know they're not, but, you know, they they're at least supposed to be dinosaurs. You've heard of the dinosaurs from actual uh
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paleontological study. There's the Indominus Rex, which is a straightup chimera. It's not even trying to be
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subtle. It's multiple different strains from other dinosaurs and then other
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animals as well, all brought together into this one creation. Uh, and this
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thing is Henry Woo's triumph. This is and he is responsible for it. And they
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come right out. At one point, Claire even questions him on it. And he he comes right out and says, "Yeah, we we
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wanted to make this super dinosaur. It can it can it can like blend into an
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environment. It can suppress its heat signature. It's really smart. It can talk to Velociraptors for because it's
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got Velociraptor DNA in it, which I mean, yeah. Okay, whatever. I'm I'm I'm
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going to accept this at this point, guys. Uh, so all this happens at this
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point, like we get to the high point, like the the midpoint of the film. Owen is told that the Indominus has escaped
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its containment. Uh since he hasn't been told everything it can do, he goes in
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there with a bunch of other workers in the park to figure out how did it get out and there's some scratches on the
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wall and he's looking going, "Wait a minute, it couldn't it didn't get up to the top. How did it?" And then it unccloaks and starts killing everybody.
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He hides under a vehicle. It decides, "Well, I'd rather escape than kill you, but I am going to kill you." And runs
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off. Uh here's where we find out that the Indominus is actually completely desocialized.
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uh unlike say his velociraptors, it has not been in any way acclimated to people
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or other animals or anything. It's been kept alone in this enclosure until it is
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essentially the dinosaur equivalent of insane. Uh and it is now running around the park attacking anything that it can get its hand. It's Yeah, actually it is
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its hands. It has big hands. They have to eventually they the uh the guy who runs the corporation that's doing all
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this which is not in Jen. It's something else in Simon, they they come in and
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they like basically pick Inen up out of bankruptcy and take over. Yeah. Uh but in purely handling the
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science on this one. They're not they don't own it anymore. They are owned by this company. Uh he's like, "We're we're
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definitely not going to kill it. Uh I'm going to send in people with non-lethal weaponly to capture it." Which works
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about as well as you'd expect if you've ever seen a movie. Uh, and yeah, the Indominus Rex successfully defeats them
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and kills most of them and doubles back heading towards the park cuz now it wants to eat people. Uh, because it
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hates people. It absolutely hates people. Um, as a result of all this, uh, Owen is trying desperately to get his
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velociraptors to work with him and help him stop the thing. Um, and they they do try, but the he can talk to them, so
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they're confused and and they they break away and aren't doing what they're told. This comes back again later. Uh Claire,
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who realizes she and her nephews are going to get eaten alongside this this guy that she's kind of got a romantic
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interest thing happening with, uh runs off to a hidden enclosure that nobody has really been talking about. And
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here's where we find out that it is Cloud Island because the Tyrannosaur
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from Jurassic Park is still here. They release, they open this giant enclosure,
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and she lurs the T-Rex out using a flare, uh, which is like pretty much
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reminiscent of when Grant does it in the first movie to get it away from the kids. She lurs it with a with a flare
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and throws the flare at the Indominus, which means that it charges in and begins fighting the Indominus. Because
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T-Rex's have to job to every dinosaur in every Jurassic Park movie, she gets
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bodied pretty hard until Blue shows up to help. And then between Blue and the
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Tyrannosaur, they push Indominus back far enough that the gigantic, and I didn't mention it earlier, I'm sorry.
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The gigantic, way too big to be a real Mazaur Mazasaur comes up out of the water, just kind of clamps down on him
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and drags him off to be eaten underwater. And that's essentially the end. Everyone evacuates and Rexi is left
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to wander around on top of the old Jurassic Park buildings that are still there and yell at the sky going, "I'm
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yelling at things again just like the last movie." And yeah, that's that's pretty much the end of the I I say this
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there's a there's a bit of mockery there, but I actually do think of these movies, again, I haven't seen Rebirth
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yet, but of the three that I have seen, World uh I want to say World, Fallen
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Kingdom, and and Dominion. Dominion. Of those three, this is the
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best one. And this one is certainly better than Jurassic Park 3. I agree with that. I mean, the premise
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of Jurassic Park 3II is what if Samuel accidentally went to the island again and then they had to run from this just
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more running from dinosaurs. They really did a ton of world building for Jurassic
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World. It and it's it's such a cool what if like hey in those first three movies, what if they made it work? What if
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what if they got the park to happen? Yeah. Yeah. What if they succeeded? What if it was a huge hit? What if there was 10,000
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people there on a busy day and then things fell apart? which is I mean based on the fact that they made much many
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more movies and it kept the franchise going. People wanted to see it was a great like premise just the what if the
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park had all the dinosaurs escape or at least I mean eventually all more and
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more of them escape. Um they they have the terasaur exhibit that gets smashed
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apart by the helicopter that the terasaur start terrorizing people and that's pretty cool. And keep in mind
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too, this was a little bit before um it's sad that they use basically generic
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I think probably pteranodons for their terasaur model uh instead of as darkens
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because as darkens like like hacked opts have since been proven to be giraffesized hunters that hunted on land
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and they didn't swoop down. They walked around on their front arms like stilts
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and drove their giant ax faces into creatures to eat them. They would
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actually chase tyrannosaurs off kills. It's at least speculated that they could do that. So, it's interesting that they
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they missed that opportunity, but it's not surprising because it was 2015. Um, we've only started learning some of the
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stuff like 2018, 2019, and beyond. So, again, that illustrates something we saw
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in the original Jurassic Park movie. there. Sometimes it's not that the movie is bad or the science is bad. Sometimes
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it's that the science can change really fast. And that's sort of the subplot
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here with Dr. Woo. Dr. Woo sets out to do the thing he said would make it better in the first place, except he
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does it, you know, he he does it without any of the humility he had about it the first time. This time he's like, "Yeah,
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I can do anything. I can they hired me to do this and I did it and my god, I made the best killing machine I can."
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And he's not even remotely upset. There's no shame, no remorse, no even
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real comprehension of what he's done. Well, and that also starts off and kicks off part of the discussion that's a theme of this movie and that carries
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through the rest is weaponization of this. Right. Definitely. He goes, Henry goes from
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hubris scientist man in the first one to a little bit more of like not corporate
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shill but like falling in line scientist to be able to actually do the science even though it's not exactly what he
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wants because he's he he makes the Indominus but he's also like taking
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almost no credit for the idea of it and the fact that it gets out and
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terrorizes. He's he's like you wanted it like this. You asked for this. I made it to your request. like the executive
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board of the park wanted more teeth. You you like numbers are falling because and
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one of the coolest things they do like really early is the two kids that come to the park, the younger one is like
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super excited about dinosaurs and like running through the park and can't wait to see anything. And the older one is
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like a typical teenager. He's like 15, 16 years old and he doesn't care because
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dinosaurs have been like world known worldwide to be brought back from extinction for like 8 years at this
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point and like it's wearing off. And so you see it in him like having no
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interest in even looking straight at a T-Rex for the first time. He's on his phone and you see it in the company
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needing another new exhibit. Like we need another new product. It's like just having the dinosaurs isn't enough. We
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need something new. They have to be scarier. They have to be in much the same way the first time he wanted to make something that fit the
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preconceptions. Now he wants to make what they want to see, not what there was to see. And that combines with the,
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as Joe pointed out, the weaponization aspect, which continues in every subsequent film up until uh I want to
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say Dominion. They're they're constantly looking at that like, you know, biosciences
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have the potential to be massively destructive. In a way, the dinosaurs in the second trilogy are very much a
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metaphor for what if they actually do make a plague? What if they actually do
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make something with bioscience that will kill us? Um the the the dangers of going
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that route. Uh it's really surprising to me that more not more people seem to notice that. uh quite frankly because
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it's right there. It's not like they're being subtle about this. I thought people would be talking. Yeah, I think that there's there's a lot
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of themes and they pick up on a lot of the old ones and they definitely introduce the new ones. I mean, they're not talking the Mulun and Jurassic Park
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is not saying, "Hey, these velociraptors would be pretty useful in a fight, right? He's saying they should all be destroyed." And then you get Vincent
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Denafhrio Hoskins in this one who keeps bugging Owen saying, "Let me add them.
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Let me take him for a field test. Let's try them out. Let's see what they can do." And Owen is like, "You don't understand how bad of an idea that is."
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And he Owen kind of plays almost like the Ian Malcolm role in this one. Like he's he's in the park and he's working
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with the dinosaurs cuz that's what he wants to do. But like he's the one that no one's listening to even though he
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ends up being right about most things. Yeah. He's a little less obnoxious, but then again, at the same time, he's also
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a little bit more I want to say because he's being played with Chris Evans is also more inherent comic streak of him
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on him. I Chris, sorry. Chris Evans Gez different there so many there's too many Chrises
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yeah but um the fact too is that this this does continue through the next two
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movies possibly because the director and writer for all three is the same person
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uh it's uh I want to say Colin Trevoro yeah Colin Trevor and he and since he's basically there
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for all three of them and he kind of seems to have a real thing about bringing people back and I think it's
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interesting that he brought Woo back as much as he did because Woo himself, I
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mean, not Woo, Wong, Bey Wong, has said that he thought they cut Woo out of the first movie as much as they did because
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they felt like they couldn't they they they couldn't have an Asian guy on that much. Uh, and whether or not that's true, it
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does feel interesting that that Trevor O brought him back and uses him so much. It don't because it makes sense. He is a
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big part of the first book and his death in the first book certainly makes sense,
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but he he does have a lot more storytelling potential and that you do get to see it in this series of films.
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Uh Fallen Kingdom is sort of just it's just a straightup horror movie.
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Yeah, it really is. It just it is you know what, you know, forget for a moment all the cool ideas
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of this. What if these things got out? And what if it wasn't just like small
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ones getting out that that you know are only dangerous when they like mob a child. What if it's it's these hybrid
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chimera engineered things like I I believe it's like Indoraptors. The Indoraptor. So yeah, if in if
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Indominus is like 2/3 T-Rex and one/3 raptor, the Indoraptor is 2/3 raptor and
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one/3 T-Rex. It's like flipped. It's like basically like a huge raptor that is It's got like And yeah, they throw a
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bunch of horror movie elements from it. It's got like long creepy claws and it's blackish and and and things like that.
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It's uh the the whole second half of the movie is really just a mansion is
20:52
terrorized by a monster. Yeah. It's it's almost Resident Evil uh in its approach to what's happening. You
20:59
are in a house and there are things trying to kill you. Uh, so story-wise, story-wise it's significant, but it
21:05
isn't, it's just basically, like I said, like you said, it's a it's a haunted house movie almost with dinosaurs, but
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it sets up the third movie because the third movie is where uh, for one thing, Dr. Woo starts realizing I am I the
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baddie? Like, you mentioned his arc. You want to talk about his arc? Because I think it really comes to here. He he in
21:25
in Jurassic World he's starting to almost feel like a hostage to the company to s to you know he still wants
21:33
to do the science like in the same way that Alan Grant and Ellie Satler in the first movie are going along with just a
21:40
weekend excursion because they're getting their their dig funded like that's all they care about. They they don't know the island has dinosaurs when
21:46
they go there. They are just told it's a weird wildlife preserve that's right up their alley, but they're told, "I'll
21:52
fully fund your dig for two years." And they're like, "I will do anything you want for that." And so with Henry Woo,
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it's, you know, he's has the opportunity to do something no one's ever done before and he succeeds. And then
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starting with Jurassic World, it gets to be, okay, well now we want uh a dinosaur. Make us a dinosaur that's like
22:12
bigger with more teeth that people are going to come see. And he's like, that's not what I started doing here. I want to make dinosaur. I want to recreate
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dinosaurs. I can make them more real. Like in the novel, he gets a little bit more like, let's change them to make
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them more uh to make them better theme park attractions. In the movies, he starts to move more towards I'm just
22:30
here for the science, but I'm going along with the ideas of the corporation because I still want to do the science
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and this is the only way I can do it. So, you want a gigantic T-Rex velociraptor hybrid? Like, here it is.
22:43
Uh, and I made it and like I take responsibility for making it, but it was your job to, you know, keep it
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contained, I guess. And in in the movie they another like level of the hubris is
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that they don't know it can camouflage until it does it and it fools them. And
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then later on he says, well actually the cuttlefish DNA because cuttlefish have the ability to change the outside of
23:08
their skin to different colors for their skin. They can do patterns and so forth. Yeah, absolutely. It's a that must have been where that came from. So, they
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didn't do it on purpose. And it's that also is one of my favorite things of this whole franchise is that things that
23:20
from the novels that get left out in translation to the screen cuz there's not enough time for everything, they
23:25
they get put back as sometimes as small references and sometimes as like big scenes. Like all the terasaur stuff in
23:32
Jurassic Park 3, in the Jurassic Park novel, there's a whole scene where Grant
23:37
and the kids are running from terasaurs inside an abandoned aviary. like that's lifted and changed and put back in the
23:42
movie. In Jurassic Park, in in the Lost World novel, the second novel, there are
23:48
dinosaurs that can camouflage and they don't really go into whether that's something that the dinosaur itself that
23:54
the carnodosaur, if I'm saying that right, Matt, uh, you might be, honestly, a lot of times I just read them. I don't
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necessarily know how to say them. The carnodosaurs in that are like they're, you know, a theropod. are smaller than a T-Rex, but they can
24:06
camouflage themselves at night and turn invisible and they, you know, play kind of a major role in that novel. They're
24:12
left out. They bring back the idea that a dinosaur can camouflage, and they explain it here. So, there's a bunch of
24:17
those I mean, in in the novel Lost World, there's a big motorcycle chase of velociraptors. They bring that back in
24:24
an entirely different way in Jurassic World, but you have uh Chris Pratt riding around the jungle with
24:29
velociraptors on a motorcycle, and that's lifted from that. But the fact that they didn't know that the Indominus
24:34
Rex could do that is just another like they didn't care about the details. They didn't care about proper containment.
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They didn't care about testing. Yeah. They didn't test the thing. They just put it in a room once they had it like
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like to the point where it's like completely not socialized and and kind of like crazy from solitude. and Owen
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even says you didn't give it a brother or he says he says something like that but like you can't like you don't even
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know the first thing about raising animals actually like you have a successful theme park of animals here
25:04
but like when management is running the show you don't know what you're doing and it's going to come up and bite you
25:10
and then it does yeah it so it does preserve a lot of the themes again as Joe pointed out in the
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last episode it preserves a lot of the themes of the first book but it also as
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you said just brings some of the things back that didn't used before or were cut or not not really expanded upon. But one
25:28
of the things it does too, especially I think um this one and Dominion, this one more than Dominion is it shows how in in
25:36
Jurassic Park a lot of it was hubris. A lot of it was you know you didn't you were so b you were so determined if you
25:44
know whether or not you could you didn't stop to think if you should. This one is we are now past the point of thinking
25:50
about anything unless it hits our profit margin. Yeah. It goes from it goes from these
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people are evil in their like lack of thinking through it or they're just focused on the goal of like trying to do
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it to like there's really evil people in Fallen Kingdom and Dominion. people who are I mean there's like a dark room
26:09
where they're auctioning off the dinosaurs to the highest bidder and their genetic property and labs are
26:16
going to buy them and further experiment on them and it's it gets real like super villain type instead of just you know
26:23
scientists with too much hubris. It gets into uh territory where like there are
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caricatures of bad guys from movies except that they're not This is the
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thing that always gets me. We were talking before about, you know, biosciences and how one of the things
26:39
that that that Dominion really reminded me of is is uh is uh yeah, Monsera.
26:45
Yeah. The the guys who basically have made crops that will die.
26:51
Monsanto. Monsanto. Thank you. They've they've made patented genetically modified crops
26:56
that will die in a generation. So, you can't harvest their seeds and plant them yourself. If you want more seeds, you
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have to buy more from the company. And it reminded me of that so hard. Uh it's
27:09
not the same, but at the same time it's that kind of all we care about is if we can get you hooked. Can we get you to
27:16
come back? It's like in a weird sort of way. It's like subscription stuff in in video games. And and uh my brain is
27:23
actually blanking on it. Uh the thing that they do that's horrible. Uh microtransactions, battle passes.
27:29
Not microtransaction, battle pass. It's like battle pass. The seasonal battle passes. It really is. It's like, you know, hey,
27:35
we need a new dinosaur because kids, we we got to have one to debut so that the kids will come in and see it. And do we
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do we have one? No. Then make it make us one if we don't have one. I don't care. And that's like there's a lot of really
27:49
interesting capitalist anti- capitalist uh latestage capitalist stuff in the movie, but also
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just that sheer let's divorce the process from no one's even thinking
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about if they if they can do this. They're being told what to do. Like you said before, Woo is in it because of the
28:08
science at first. He just wants to do the science and the only way he's going to get to do the science is if he does
28:13
what they tell him. to the point where in the third movie he's making giant killer locusts. Yeah. By Dominion, he's like they do a
28:20
good job of making him physically look almost haunted by what he's doing. Like he's he's kind of he's not really a
28:27
hostage yet in Jurassic World. He's still doing what he wants and creating things by uh by Dominion. He's like, he
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looks tired and he looks like he's been trying to figure out how to reverse the stuff he's up to because he genetically
28:40
engineers locusts to go out and eat crops that aren't made by Biosin, which
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is a throwback all the way to the first novel who and it's run by Dodson. So,
28:51
the the in in the first movie, the guy who sits down with Nedri and gives him the shaving cream can and says, "Seal
28:57
some embryos for me." They finally are able to get a hold of all the technology, get a hold of the dinosaurs.
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They bring them all the way over to like the Alps, the Dolommites. They have a sanctuary there. And from there, they do
29:09
all their genetic stuff. And what they do is have Henry Woo create these locusts that are going to go out and
29:16
improve their profit margins because they'll make more selling their crops and and and their grain and things like
29:21
that. And Henry Wu goes along with it even though he's definitely like not looking to, you know, publish papers on
29:26
it. He's definitely not looking to do the science. But I'm sure at that point they have enough on him that they say, "What else are you going to do?" like
29:33
you'll be ruined, you'll be finished, your life will be over if you don't do this for us. Like they I think they might even have him physically captive
29:39
almost. Um so the all all the second half of Dominion has to do with getting there and trying to figure out how to
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get a sample of the locust back and he can he does get the redemption arc. He gets the at the very end he's able to
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take the the DNA from the locusts and and reverse engineer it and make it so
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that he he goes out in a field and released some locusts that can delete the rest of the locusts and he saves the
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day. So in the end he gets credit for, you know, saving everything at the end of this little trilogy. So he he gets
30:11
the full story arc and gets his redemption, which I'm a sucker for redemption in a movie series. I'll take
30:16
it every time. I won't take it every time, but I would take it in this one just because it's Henry. It's it's uh uh
30:22
and I do think it's cool that BD1 got to be in all of these. Uh he does get to be
30:27
again, I'm going to say I think he is in a way the central character of these movies. Really? Yeah. He isn't presented as the protagonist uh
30:33
or anything like that. But without him, a lot of this stuff isn't going to happen. And it's it's both the the the
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negative and the the ultimate positive end of it is Woo's work. And it is
30:49
watching Woo go from, you know, I I I'm doing this thing because it's cool. It's the cutting edge of science to I'm doing
30:56
this thing because it's my life's work and I'll do what I have to so I can keep doing it to I'm doing this thing because
31:02
I really don't have any other choice to I'm not doing this thing any you've made
31:07
it cost too much. You've took my soul. I am no longer in I'm no longer doing this
31:13
for the love of the work. I'm doing it because I'm afraid you'll have me, you know, dumped in an alley somewhere dead.
31:18
Uh, and yeah, as soon as I can, I am getting out of there. And it is Go ahead.
31:23
Hammond just paid for it. He was the one that made it all happen. Anything in this entire movie franchise that happens
31:31
with him offcreen, it's people running around on islands that exist because of him. So, yeah, I agree with that. that
31:37
he is like the main driving force, the main character of all of it. Let's talk a bit about I want to one of
31:44
the things we hadn't really talked about yet is the use of dinosaurs as story elements in these movies. Um I mentioned
31:51
previously when in the previous episode we were talking about how there's good parts even for the ones that that I have
31:58
qualms with. There's good parts of the portrayal where they don't portray them as you know this is an angry monster out
32:05
to kill you. They kind of get away from that a little bit in these movies. I think Indominus at times just comes off
32:11
as a psycho killer. Well, that's part of the I will chime in here. That's part of like the theme,
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right? Because where the the while the like Eric said, the theme of like the first movies was
32:25
they can do it, not you know, not thinking about whether or not they should do it. This one is about unfettered capitalism and then the
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weaponization of these creatures and the fallout therein. And also like for what
32:37
I remember of them and I I don't remember all of the movies too well and I'm I'm sorry I'll let let you go back into the second year but there's also an
32:44
element of now you're throwing technology into it too and the evils that that presents with it and how much
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lack of control you really truly have. So like yeah go ahead. I will say though that
32:57
all that being true, um what I find interesting about Indominus is as a
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quote unquote villain, uh because he is, you know, he's the one running around trying to eat people most of the time.
33:09
It is I think it's an interesting point uh that ties into what Eric mentioned
33:14
earlier about how he's like, you don't even know how to raise animals. Um, we know that therapod dinosaurs are are the
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family from which birds come. Birds are therapod dinosaurs. We know birds
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require child rearing. Uh, it is likely that you need to do some kind of
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association and imprinting to keep them viable. Well, isn't that like uh Chris Pratt's
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character, though? Exactly. He says, "You didn't do that with this animal.
33:46
You didn't give it a You didn't give it any family. You didn't raise it. You put it in this bunker and kept it there to
33:53
so so people could go look at the scary critter. You You know, it's not it's not
33:58
lashing out because it's it's an evil, heartless monster. It's lashing out because it is literally demented. It is
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been through an experience that it is not equipped to handle. It is clearly it
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is a social animal. We know that because when it runs into the velociaptors, it immediately tries talking to
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and that is definitely a theme in the second novel. In the Lost World novel,
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Ian Malcolm and the other scientist character that doesn't exist in the movies. They're trying to figure out what's going on in the island, like how
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it's out of balance. There's too many predators. They're and they're looking at the behavior of some of the animals. It like doesn't make sense. And it turns
34:40
out that, you know, recreating a dinosaur and putting it back on Earth today only gets you so far. Like, they
34:47
have some instinct. They know to hunt and eat and lay eggs and and things like that, but they don't get the social
34:54
behavior. Anything that's not ingrained in your DNA. And so, the velociaptors in the second book are just wild, vicious
35:01
killing machines that have no coordinated behavior whatsoever. They're
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biting each other at like sites where they bring down another dinosaur and then like eating the other velociaptors.
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They go to the nest and the infants are like not cared for and there's not enough of them. Like it's very clear that there's no balance to it because
35:20
they don't have the continuity of being an animal for a million or two years.
35:26
They didn't the the first ones that hatched didn't learn behavior from any other velociaptors. They were just on
35:34
their own. And so that definitely comes back up with the Indoraptor and the Indominus as uh you know who was they
35:42
were completely alone. But even on this even on the island with a population of raptors, they couldn't survive and they
35:49
couldn't flourish because they they were just dumped there and they had no idea how to interact. Ironically, the the
35:55
raptors from the first Jurassic Park, even the movie, had more socialization
36:02
than the ones in in Two. And that's because they're socialized by human
36:08
handlers, right? The behavior they pick up is human. They're acting like human. Not entirely,
36:16
but the whole idea of like the the bit in the in the movie where the dinosaur tries the door. Also, by the way, that's
36:24
not how a dinosaur like a therapod dinosaur couldn't bend its arm that way. He would be snapping all his bones. Just
36:29
I had to mention it. But the idea that checks the door to see if it can get in,
36:35
that is a socialized behavior. Birds do it, but birds raised in captivity do it
36:42
more. And why do they do it more? Because they see you doing it.
36:47
Yeah. is thing that I I really think is interesting about uh the the the second
36:53
trilogy, the fact that Chris Pratt is essentially socializing these animals. It does mean that they're probably
37:00
mentally stable, but it also means that they're smarter because they've seen things, they've learned those things,
37:06
they've copied them. He's given them command structure. They don't necessarily need him for it anymore. And
37:12
that's, you know, something that is really The second movie, Fallen Kingdom, is all about how these animals are
37:19
weapons, but they're weapons that don't have a a a user interface, for lack of a better word. You can't point them at
37:26
anything, which makes them bad weapons. A weapon you can't command is not a
37:32
weapon. It's just a hazard. It'd be like if you made a gun that just shot randomly at odd times. That's not a
37:37
That's not a gun anymore. It's just a trap. They went from the scientists were so focused on whether or not they could.
37:43
They didn't worry about whether they should to these capitalists knew that they shouldn't. They really had to have
37:50
known that, but they did it anyway for profit. Yeah. Because swing, we won't be around to worry about
37:56
it, so what do we care? And it is it is it is kind of fascinating to see. Uh I
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wish I'd seen Rebirth so I I would know whether or not they they they kept up on that. Unfortunately, haven't gotten to
38:06
see it yet. Uh, do we want to do uh uh do you not want to hear about it if if we're
38:12
I'm fine with you talking about it. I just I haven't seen it. I I've read a synopsis that that made it somewhat
38:18
known by me, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know what it is from a synopsis I read. Yeah, I can do I can do a rundown of
38:23
that because they they continued a lot of the themes. They introduced some interesting new stuff. Uh but basically
38:30
and and they did a lot more world building because it's kind of like a another reboot, another you know, we
38:35
don't know if there's going to be more movies directly with this or separate from it, but just like in Jurassic World
38:40
where they need to build out what what's happened over the last 10 years, they needed something else to happen to drive
38:48
the story forward and they didn't want to have to have a ton of time explaining it. So there's another island in Rebirth
38:55
that is not part of the islands off Costa Rica. It's not part of the five deaths. It's not Nublar or Sa. It's not
39:01
anywhere near it. It's off the coast of French Guyana in the Atlantic tropics. And even though all the dinosaurs
39:07
escaped from the mansion and are now kind of like wild in the world, what they've explained in Rebirth is that
39:14
they don't do so well in modern Earth. It's too cold. The atmosphere is different. There's not enough oxygen.
39:20
only place they're really thriving is the tropics. And so you get isolated islands in the tropics that are off
39:26
limits to everybody where the dinosaurs are thriving. And so the reason that we have to go to the it's another hey let's
39:32
go to this island with dinosaurs which is I mean like five out of the seven movies five out of the first five out of
39:39
the seven are like let's go to the island with dinosaurs. But there's another island and this one was like
39:44
another it's like it's site C. It's a step past site B. Site B is the factory floor. The one from the first movie is
39:51
just the theme park. Site B is where all of the actual things happened. This new
39:56
island is uh Ila del if I have it right here. Isle
40:02
St. Hubar. Um it's where the rejects were kept basically when they when they
40:08
were doing their experiments to it's it's on the same time frame as the Jurassic World time. When they're doing
40:15
the experiments to create the Indominus, they make it seem like in Jurassic World that they're doing it right there. It
40:20
turns out that there was another island where they were doing these like experiments that would go wrong horribly
40:25
over and over until they got something that was like the Indominus. So, there's this whole island where the dinosaurs
40:33
and the film opens with things going horribly wrong back in the day 15 years ago with the researchers there and the
40:39
dinosaurs escaping. And so now they're wild there on the whole island. And the story is that uh a person from a pharm
40:49
pharmaceutical company is interested in getting samples from some of the bigger dinosaurs because they're big. The the
40:55
bigger megapana because not a lom dinosaurs. Actually only one of them is a dinosaur. uh basically basically to
41:02
make new drugs like we could make a heart drug if we understood hearts better and we could look at proteins that haven't been around or used in this
41:09
certain way for tens of millions of years. So he hires a mercenary. He's got Scarlett Johansson. He hires a dinosa
41:15
dinosaur expert. They go to the island and they have to get an actual blood DNA
41:21
sample from a mosasaur, from a titanosaur, and from a ket I I hope I
41:27
say this close to right. Kzel koalas. Qualas. Yeah. Yeah. So you So you're disappointed they
41:32
didn't use the really big ones in Jurassic World, Matt. They came through with this one and it's fantastic. But
41:38
they they basically they have to go from one to the next to the next to get those samples and bring them back to do
41:46
medicine magic with them. Um and so it's not a it's more like Jurassic Park 2 or
41:52
three where there's nothing to really go wrong cuz it's already an island with no
41:58
one on it. It's pretty long. Everything everything is as messed up as it was going to get. Yeah, I get you.
42:04
Um, so they they go it's kind of a cool like in the first half an hour I was like, "Okay, I'm on board with this cuz
42:10
it kind of feels like a quest. Like you must go to the island and seek out the three most giant and dangerous animals
42:16
there and get up close to them and get a sample." Um, and you know, it goes sideways in a bunch of different ways
42:22
and there's plots and then the antagonist, the big mutant is the D-Rex,
42:28
the Distortis Rex, and it's a horrible six armed. I mean, it looks
42:34
more like the Cloverfield monster mixed with a xenomorph. It's It's really not a
42:40
dinosaur. It's sort of like a everything that could go wrong in your experiment did go wrong, but they kept it alive
42:46
anyway. It's the one that escapes in the beginning. Um, but they, you know, they did a lot of world building. They had to
42:52
build out a whole new island and say in also had this facility and there's still dinosaurs on it. Uh, they had to do a
43:00
little bit more another mutant that they had is the mutadon which essentially like, okay, we're going to have another
43:06
indo indominus that's a hybrid between two dinosaurs. What would be scariest and make for the best Hollywood monster?
43:11
What if it was a terasaur and a velociraptor? And so the mutadons are like they almost look like velociraptors
43:17
with wings and they can fly around and terrorize you. And they ironically ironically um I know this
43:23
much. The mutadon is based on a real dinosaur. Um there's a there's a
43:29
dinosaur that they found in China that has wings like a bat and otherwise looks
43:34
like a bird. And the mutadon is sort of they they were like coming up with a way to have something like that but to make
43:40
it be a monster cuz the real the the actual dinosaur is the size of a canary.
43:46
Like it would not be scary. You would not be a god. You might be like what the heck is wrong with that bird. But that's
43:52
basically it. it. But yeah, that's something I know from a for a fact is actually a real thing about um they've
43:59
they've got the mosasaur, which they need to get the sample from, but they're tangling with the mosasaur. The mosasaur
44:06
is symbiotic with spinosauruses that are aquatic and oceangoing. And so the they
44:12
kind of explain that the Spinosaurus will like seek out the prey and the mosasaur will come and the Spinosaurus are almost like the the small little
44:19
animal that gets the leings. You know, the 50 foot long Spinosaurus plays the role of the, you know, the little tiny
44:24
fish that swim alongside the great white shark. Um, but it's interesting cuz
44:30
that's one of the things that fascinates me most about the whole franchise. They're not making it up. This is not
44:35
just a movie series about dragons and they can do whatever they want and they can make the dragons bigger and the next
44:41
one or smaller. Like it's a movie series about dinosaurs and the current understanding of dinosaurs has come
44:47
forward in leaps and bounds. And so they have to decide, are we going to update the dinosaurs so that they're more
44:53
accurate, making it kind of a retcon because that's not what the dinosaur looked like in the last movie or the
44:59
movie before 30 years ago, or do they have to keep their own models and say, "Well, people know this as what we had,
45:06
so we're going to ignore it." And so they do both, you know, they don't give any more of the they don't give the
45:12
T-Rex feathers. They don't update its appearance. They use it because that's like the hero of the story. But they
45:17
updated the Spinosaurus a ton and it's different in a lot of ways from the
45:22
Jurassic Park 3 one. Um, and they do that in a lot of them. They have uh
45:27
other dinosaurs that are updated with like some of the latest ideas. They introduce new ones like the quzel atlas
45:34
that actually I think that one is in Dominion ripping apart a plane which I think that one might get the biggest.
45:40
Matt Russelly looks directly at camera and shakes head. have done that in no
45:45
way capable of that. Quitzel Quatlas did not weigh anything like that. Uh any any vehicle it would
45:51
go up against would outweigh it by a factor of 100. Um we're talking about
45:56
the biggest quiz in the world probably weighed less than 60 kilos. Uh and the
46:01
biggest as Darkin which is not quatas just on although it was possibly the
46:06
tallest. Uh Garac for example, Hadzb Peter is the the h the hatchet head. It
46:14
maybe weighed 70 kilos. Like they just weren't that heavy cuz they had hollow
46:20
bones and air sacks that they used so they could fly. It had to fly. It can't be heavy. It can't it can't do damage to a steel
46:28
aluminum framed plane. It just I mean birds birds can kill planes pretty easily by just flying into the
46:33
engine. I don't think that that's what quits is going to do. And I just feel
46:38
like it's it's not a good idea. Uh yeah. No, it just isn't. Uh so yeah, I am
46:44
looking directly at you audience. Uh but at the same time, it's nice that they even used it. Quite frankly, the mazaur
46:50
is ridiculously too too big. They It's even It's even bigger in this one than the one in Jurassic World.
46:55
There's no way ev the the biggest mazasaur we've ever found any evidence for um is is tipping in around like 4550
47:06
ft. Um and it would certainly be much bigger and heavier than a spinosaur. We're talking 12 to to 18,000
47:13
uh kilos. So like up to 18 tons, 18 metric tons. But that's that's much
47:20
bigger than a spino. But it isn't like I it isn't going to have like four spinos
47:25
acting as like you know spotters for it. Uh even if spinos did go out into the
47:30
open ocean which is not something we can currently say. But again I'm fine with them doing some of that. Like I'm fine
47:37
with them taking some some extremes on it just because I first off because we
47:42
know these things are genetic hybrids. They're they're designed. They're not that's not intended to be a real
47:48
dinosaur. It's intended to be a recreation using, you know, and also though cuz who knows what we're going to
47:54
find tomorrow. We could find a gigantic new super, you know, in the time between these movies. Do you know they found
48:00
another Spinosaurid in South America that's practically exactly the same as Spinosaur uh
48:06
and that thing, it's a little smaller, but it's definitely within tolerance of Spinosaurus. And they had no idea it
48:14
existed. these things, you know, what's available for them to even do is always
48:20
going to be in flux. Yeah. The that's the Spinosaurus is one of my favorite examples because we had a
48:27
Spinosaurus fossil. It's a it's a dinosaur fossil, so it's incomplete by a wide margin, but we had it in like found
48:34
in something like 1900 or 1910. It was destroyed in a German museum in World
48:39
War II, and so we didn't even have that. there were some more conjecture and discoveries kind of made on it based on
48:45
photographs of that fossil in like the 80s. Yeah. And then they found went to Morocco. Then we then they started to find more.
48:51
So now we have I don't know what maybe seven examples of a Spinosaurus and we're learning more that it was more
48:56
aquatic and things like that. But yeah, and also the interesting thing too is not just that we have more of Spinosaurus, we have more Spinosaurids
49:04
in general. We have Baryionics, we have like there's Iritator. There's a this
49:09
this is my favorite and the fact that they haven't had Iritator in one of the movies. It actually has been in one of the Jurassic World cartoons. Uh but
49:17
Irritator is a Spinosaur that they discovered and it's named Irritator
49:23
because it was so hard to get out of the ground that they're angry at it. They were mad when they named it. So they
49:30
named it Iritator. And that's hilarious to me. But it's also hilarious to me because without Irritator, we would not
49:38
have known about the way that their jaws look. Like if you look at a Spinosaurus's jaw, it has like this
49:45
curved bit at the front that's that you see in other dinosaurs. Like you actually see it in Dilophosaurus.
49:51
Dilophosaurus has a very similar joint in its upper jaw. Uh the rest of it jaw is nothing like it, but that's there. Um
49:59
they think now that that wouldn't even have been visible. Uh the the thing had lips and lips is also something we
50:06
didn't know for a long time. If you go back and look at depictions of T-Rex from like even 15 years ago, their teeth
50:13
are all visible. But an animal's not going to have its teeth visible if if it can avoid it. Crocodiles don't worry
50:19
about this because they're submerged all the time, which means that Spinosaurus might not have had them, but it does
50:25
have the for the the basil for so it might have had lips. T-Rex absolutely
50:30
had lips. It covered its teeth. You would not have seen a T-Rex's teeth unless it was opening its mouth. And
50:37
that's something that just it's just something we didn't know. And we didn't discover that. Again, we talked earlier
50:42
about the Jurassic Park generation of paleontologists. Those are who discovered the formina on the skull.
50:48
Those are the ones who said, "Wait a minute. What are these holes? Why does it have the Is this where the ligamentous bands like they have in
50:54
lizards?" Cuz nobody was looking at lizards for cues on dinosaurs anymore. And they're the ones who said, "Wait a
50:59
minute. We can't just assume that anything on a dinosaur we don't understand is like a bird. I mean, these
51:04
aren't birds. They're not, you know, they're related to birds. Birds are them. Birds are dinosaurs, but not all
51:10
dinosaurs are birds. They're there's very likely elements to certain dinosaurs that are not birdlike.
51:16
This is my favorite part. Yeah, there's there's so much that we don't know about I won't even say dinosaurs
51:22
because there's so many animals in these movies that are not dinosaurs. the terasaurs. There's a Dimetradon, which
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is not a dinosaur, which I don't think we have time to talk about, but yeah, not a dinosaur and not even closely. It's like it's 30 million years
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before the first dinosaur even existed. You're telling me you found a a a piece
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of amber with Demetradon DNA in it? I don't believe you because mosquitoes didn't exist yet. You know,
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it is it's it's not the oldest one. And they don't I mean, they don't explain how they get the mossaur DNA. Did a
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mosquito bite a mosasaur? Uh, in Rebirth, there's a quick scene of a
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dunlostas. They have a dunloius. That's That's like 30 what, 350 million
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years ago? Yeah. More than that, even. So, the fact that dinosaurs were on the
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earth and dominated life for almost 200 million years. And humans have been
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around for you could call it 200,000 years. I mean the reign of dinosaurs is
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un we we cannot comprehend that time. Even if even if you go back to our first homo ancestors like homohabilis you're
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still looking at a million two million years tops. Yeah. If if you took the
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if you took the timeline of the dinosaurs from the first dinosaur to the KT extinction and you laid it down over
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the route of the Boston Marathon and then you took the timeline of humans and laid it down from the finish line
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going backwards, it would be it wouldn't even stretch past the library where the finish line is. It's like it's like 40
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yards compared to 26 miles. Humans have been on that planet for a blink of an
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eye. And that just makes you think, how many dinosaurs and other animals that lived in this time do we not know of?
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Because we just haven't found a fossil. There's so much more. We're discovering more and more. You even get to that with like there's
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other forms of fossils that are left like there's an entire there's an entire
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field of study that is just copper lights and other stuff that animals secrete. So poop and skin skin samples
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and footprints and they have ethnof fossils which are fossils of those. They
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don't have a dinosaur fossil for them. We don't know what animal this was. We
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just know this is what its foot looked. There's there's just so many if when we think about will there be more Jurassic
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Park Jurassic World movies? Like from a Hollywood standpoint like uh how would how could you not? We're going to get
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one of these every 3 years for the rest of our lives and they'll probably go on long after that. But the the potential
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of anything, I mean, in the first novel, there's a throwaway like a single line where a six-foot dragonfly goes by and
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Grant is like, "Oh, yeah. Back then there was more oxygen, so insects were bigger." It's like, "Well, you didn't even mention that they cloned dragon
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flies and they're flying around." It's an actual griffin fly. That's what they're called. They're the relatives of dragon flies. They were much bigger.
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Yeah. Griffin flies. In the in the cartoon series, they have a smileon. And so that's going back only
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what 10 or 20,000 years. No, 5,000 is it? Oh man. So like
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they they literally they died out at near the end of the last ice age. Uh they were in North and South America
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like they spent a solid 10 to 15,000 years with humans before they died out.
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My favorite part of that one is they don't bring it back for real in this in the in the canon in the franchise until
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the cartoon series which is like somewhere in the Jurassic World era. But there is a when they show the stuffed
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animals in the original Jurassic Park movie. There is a smileon stuffed animal there suggesting that they at least were
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trying for it. They were going to do it sooner or later. Yeah. It's funny that because that that is one you could actually do.
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We've got enough. We could actually make one of those. Um, so yeah, I think we've kind of talked this into the ground. Uh,
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Joe. Yeah, I mean I think I think that I mean, let's be upfront. I think Eric and
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I could keep going, but I I also don't think that, you know, that'd be another hour and we got to stop sometime. For
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one thing, I need to eat. Yeah. So, I think that'll do it for us. Uh, I do want to thank everybody for joining us on this uh adventure of uh
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