Microtransactions, and other cruel gaming indignities

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Hi everybody. Welcome to the Blizzard
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Watch podcast where we talk about
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Blizzard Entertainment and its many
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games and other things sometimes.
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Uh with me, Matt Rossi, I'm hosting. I
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actually stopped playing a certain game
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>> Oh.
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>> just to be here.
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Which which was very hard. Uh and it's
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not the one you might think cuz we'll
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talk about that later.
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Um
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with me, of course, are my two fantastic
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normal co-hosts, uh editor-in-chief Liz
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Harper and technical ombudsman Joe
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Perez. We need to get you a title like
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that, you know, something something cool
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like grand grand technician or
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something something with a poobah.
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>> What do you want your title to be? I
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mean, that's the real question.
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>> Go. Um what do you want your title to
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be?
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>> You got to put me on the spot like that.
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I don't know. I'm going to have to think
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about it.
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>> have to know now. Think about it.
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>> Yeah.
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>> There's There's future shows. Also with
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us, and he should get introduced because
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we're rambling,
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Phil. Say hi, Phil.
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>> Hi, Phil.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Hi.
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>> Someone did it. You walked into that You
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walked into that one.
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>> No, I I I embraced it. I wanted it. All
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right. Let's talk about World of
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Warcraft patch 12.0.7
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because turns out we now know there's
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going to be a patch 12.0.7 although we
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were pretty sure.
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>> You could make a good guess.
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>> We had an idea.
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>> But what's in this patch this patch? I
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don't I don't think I want to just sit
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here and read all of it. So, I'm going
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to go rotate around. Uh Liz, talk about
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like something that's coming in the
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patch that you think is cool.
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>> Uh
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now you've got to put me on the spot. Oh
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my gosh, I've got to talk about patch
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1202 1207.
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Um this is another patch. I mean, these
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are in-between patches. We just had 1205
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and now we're going into 12 1207
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probably in a couple months, probably in
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June will be in maybe. Um and even
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though this is a {quote} minor patch,
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there's quite a lot in it.
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Um, like surprisingly, I was pretty
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surprised at how big 12.0.5 was. And I
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am
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I'm equally
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Yeah, so much. There's so much in here.
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I think one of the interesting feature
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in this one is called the Aman'Thul
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folio.
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I don't know if I'm saying that right.
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Maybe. No one's told me how to say it,
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so that's how I'm saying it. Which is
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like a relic that you power up in some
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way to give yourself a
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it that gives you power. It sounds like
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another It sounds like some sort of
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stupid borrowed power system. But it's
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like a book that you inscribe runes in
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and the runes hour you up. And we know
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very little about it, but it's like,
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okay. Okay, we've got an interesting new
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new power up system. But also, this is
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this is apparently created by Rommath
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and Umbreck, everyone's two favorite
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feuding elves. And that's that's all I
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have to say about them.
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>> Well, I have more, but I'm not going to
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say it because, you know, this is a
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>> This is a family-friendly podcast.
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>> Exactly.
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This is This is This is up there with
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Xal'atath's feet in terms of things I
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don't want to talk about.
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>> I I was about to say something and I I
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stopped myself. I stopped myself, guys.
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Just just for the I did sake of
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everybody.
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>> All right. Um Joe or Phil, do either of
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you have one you want to talk about?
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>> Yep, I want to steal I'm going to jump
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in line. I'm going to talk about two of
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them together. Haha.
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>> Go for it.
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>> That's my That's my prerogative.
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Uh which is, you know, with 12.0.7 on
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the horizon, obviously the next thing
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people want to know is, "Hey, what are
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we doing in 12.1?" Because that's
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traditionally when we get news. So, new
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entire new zones. And there's one big
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smoking, fog-covered,
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lore-related gun off the coast of
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Zuldazar.
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Um and
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>> This is why Phil stole it. Okay, you
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>> Yep. Gotcha. Which I had previously
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thought maybe would be like a like a
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like a 12.07 like a you know a Storm
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Isle or
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Siren Isle like mid patch you know
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island you can romp around to you know
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get some power for a patch. Nope. Uh
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it's not coming to 12.07 and uh
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suspiciously for no reason uh assistant
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Lorewalker Li Li Stormstout is picking
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up Lorewalking Loas. All about all the
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troll Loas. Uh interesting one on this
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one for people who normally skip these
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but if you don't play a troll it looks
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like you may finally get to see the Dark
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Spear
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um
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heritage armor quest cuz they did this
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with the blood elf one for for the
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Lorewalking elves.
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Uh very cool one especially if you were
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a fan of Bwonsamdi back in BfA. Uh but
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yeah the just can for no reason a
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Lorewalking story appeared about all the
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troll Loas. And then also for no reason
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the only story related questline that
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got called out is one about Zul'jin and
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his uncle. Uh
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oh wait there was another one I forgot
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about that with Jan'alai. Uh
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two loa related storylines where Zul'jin
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and Kimbul go to a meeting called by the
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Hear- Hearanir and get pulled into some
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mystery around the Amani's past. And
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also Jan'alai loa fire needs your help
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to hatch a new clutch of eggs. So I
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wonder why they would want to spending a
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lot of time in Zul'Aman.
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>> And and hatching eggs.
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>> and hatching eggs. Hmm. Can't imagine.
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Uh so as a known troll enjoyer the fact
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that this all appears to be pointing
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very strongly at my two favorite words
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troll raid is obviously a very fun part
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of 12.07 for me.
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>> Well also it's I mean I was going to
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was literally going to bring this up so
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I I'm I'm fighting you in real life now.
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Um
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But yeah it also makes me think that we
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are finally going to get something that
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Matt and I have been talking about for
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years now at this point. Time is weird.
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Um we might finally be getting a return
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of Vol'jin. So
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>> Mhm.
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>> because a lot of this all seems to be
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leading in that direction with the cycle
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of rebirth. Um I called this out when we
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talked about the Zul'aman quest theme to
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begin with where a lot of it is Loa was
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returning or Loa was being reborn.
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Uh and there was a lot of stuff like
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dealing with Loas that were specifically
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around when all this stuff of Vol'jin
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went down in Battle for Azeroth. So
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Yeah, it yeah. Mhm. Looking forward to
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that. I'm looking
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>> you mean like Rezan who is very famously
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pictured on the Loa walking Loas
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announcement on the Blizzard website?
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>> Or or or the fact that we have an entire
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quest around the spider Loa and her
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actual like what's happening with her
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and the fact that we killed her. We
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killed her and she's back. Um
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>> brought her back.
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>> And we brought her back. Yeah, it's
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yeah. Mhm. I I'm Okay, you can continue
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with your other one because I'm going to
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I I'm Mhm.
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>> No, that was it. I was I was stealing
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the two the two troll-related ones, Loa
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walking Loas and then the troll story
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quests. You can You can grab something
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else.
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>> I can't. You stole it. It literally was
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the thing I was looking forward to most.
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I mean, I I can talk about I can talk
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about that I'm looking forward to
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exterior lighting on my house, but it's
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not nearly as cool.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Exterior lighting is it is kind of cool.
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We've been missing exterior lighting on
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our homes
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since a certain someone built a fire
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garden and ruined it for everyone.
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>> Yeah, well.
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>> Yeah. Um I'm going to say right now I'm
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having massive
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uh Godzilla 2014 flashlight. Like I just
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heard in my head, let them fight.
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Once that all happened and I'm like I I
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I I almost thought do I want to
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encourage this? Yes. Yes, I do. Uh so
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I'm also going to say before we go move
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on to talk about lighting the house, cuz
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that's that is actually pretty cool. Um
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the other thing about all this the troll
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and lowest stuff is
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the Pandaren ice they strike me as the
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kind of guys who'd be open to talking to
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stories.
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Yeah. So, I think there's there's
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possibility for future stuff there. Uh
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but
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go ahead, Joe. Talk about the lighting
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if you want to. If you don't want to,
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you don't have to, but I I don't know.
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>> I mean, I get to put lighting outside my
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house finally, which I've been waiting
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for since housing happened. Uh which is
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>> Yeah. Just in time for Tech that I
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Go ahead.
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>> Yeah, some of these things made no sense
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to be inside. All these lamp posts,
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yeah, we've been waiting.
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>> Uh but not only that
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>> Go ahead, Liz.
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>> I I think Blizzard always intended have
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out outdoor lighting except they ran
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into a bug during the beta period and
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they had to shut it down because
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otherwise, you know,
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I I believe it was like loading issues
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and view distances were really creating
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a problem when you had lots and lots of
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lighting effects. So, it's like it's
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better to not have the lighting and
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actually have neighborhoods, but also
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the lighting lighting effects.
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>> a lot of them have particle or have
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particle emitters, which famously can be
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rough on yeah, GPUs if you get a lot of
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them in one spot.
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Uh so, there's there's limitations still
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to the lighting, but I think I think
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they're pretty reasonable.
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>> Yeah, and I mean, I'm just looking
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forward to putting up I I have a I
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bought a whole bunch of the goblin
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lights because I really like them.
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Like the hanging the hanging goblin
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lights. Um and I got a bunch of the lamp
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posts and I want to redo the
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I just redid the interior of my house or
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in the process of doing so. Um which I
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need to buy more walls and a whole bunch
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of other stuff. Um but with that being
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on the docket for me finishing that up
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whenever I find time and tear myself
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away from Diablo 4,
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uh then I will I got to work on the
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outside again. I want to redo the whole
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outside. Um
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and I want to make it look, you know,
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the way that I have envisioned in my
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head. I have kind of like place holdery
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stuff right now.
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Um I even changed my plot to something
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that will better match my uh what I have
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like sketched out in my brain.
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So, but yeah, it's I don't know what
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else to say uh because they already gave
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me the one thing that I wanted before
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12.0.7,
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uh which is they fixed my floors in the
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house,
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finally.
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Uh so, I'm just excited. I'm good.
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>> All right. Well, there's two things I
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want to mention and they need to get
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mentioned.
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Uh first up is the new raid, um
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Sporfall, which is in Harrendar. You're
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going to have to go fight a single boss
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raid, but it's an indoor one. It's not a
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world boss. Uh it's a big fungal giant
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uh named Rotmire. But the interesting
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thing here is that it's going to have
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the normal varieties of rating, you
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know, raid finder, normal, heroic,
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mythic, and they're testing something
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called flex mythic where you can
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basically bring
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>> Yeah.
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>> uh between 15 and 25 raiders into your
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mythic raid.
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>> Huge. Huge.
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>> I I feel like that would be better
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served on normal heroic.
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>> No.
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>> No, not because they shouldn't have it,
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but they should have it for more people.
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>> But normal heroic
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Oh, I I understand, but normal heroic is
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already flex.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, they already go up to 30
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people. It's only interesting on mythic
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because of how it's hard locked to 20
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allegedly for balancing purposes.
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>> Yeah, and I
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>> This feels like a test to me. This feels
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like the way
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh, it does.
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>> I as as somebody who does mythic rating
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on weekends with another guild, I will I
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will say that this is huge because one
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of the biggest reasons, and Blizzard
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knows this, and this is something people
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have been complaining about for months
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and if not since since mythic was
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introduced, is that you get to a point
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where mythic is so hard balanced around
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20 players previously, that if you do
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not have a full raid, you do not
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complete the raid. And I can tell you
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how many times we've been sitting in
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like literally picking up randoms out of
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the looking for group because there are
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two bodies left to fill for that 20 spot
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uh that if we don't get them, it we
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can't compensate for it. So, this is
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huge for all the guilds that want to do
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do mythic and maybe have like 15 16
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people
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uh that are you know really into it and
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want to do it with one not necessarily
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just having to pick random people and
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and hoping that they gel with your
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group, which when you're doing mythic,
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man, that's a struggle.
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Um and two, it lets them experience
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content that they otherwise would be
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unable to experience that they want to.
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So, this is massive for that and it also
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just helps keep guilds alive that want
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to be mythic rating guilds because it
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gives them that flexibility that if one
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person steps down, they're not
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immediately tanked for the entire rest
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of that season. So, like it's
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it's a huge quality of life improvement
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and with the way the game has been
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balancing and we know that flex does
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work for a certain extent, having that
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smaller window of 15 to 25
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is perfect, right? It It It means that
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they can balance the numbers within
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that, fine-tune it instead of having it
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be from 10 to 40 or 10 to 30, which is a
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huge range for normal and heroic. So,
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they can still make them difficult but
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make it more accessible. Huge quality of
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life improvement.
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>> Yeah, and from the other end, it also
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means that more people can potentially
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take a dip in mythic rating without
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having to first cross the you must be
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this tall to ride this ride bar of
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having to have 20 people committed and
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showing up on the same day.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Which is an obstacle.
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>> Well, and exactly 20 people because, you
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know, if one person
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can't
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>> You up that day, you get a cold, you
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know.
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>> I I mean, I tried to I've tried we when
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we were doing
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uh the Goblin raid and I was subbing in
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for for my employee cuz
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his guild needed a healer for the the
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one night and they were doing Mug'thol
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and I was doing Mug'thol Mythic. They
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were we were trying to do it with 19 and
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it was impossible. Just It was
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absolutely impossible cuz the soak
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mechanics were all based around having
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20 people with a very specific split of
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healers and and tanks accounted for. So,
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like you couldn't. It was It was a
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nightmare.
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>> So, yeah, I personally think that that'd
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be interesting to see if they end up
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lifting the amount of people you have to
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have or if they broaden it or if they
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tighten it or if they come up with
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different ways to tune it because I just
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why I think they're up to here is a kind
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of little
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one boss test
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to see how how to make this work for for
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other range. Um it's one thing to
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balance for one boss in one instance and
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another thing to try and get this across
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an entire raid, you know, where you've
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got like 10 people. I mean, 10 bosses.
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But also to to talk about briefly
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the void
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showdowns, uh which I think is
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interesting because now we're going to
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other worlds to fight the void. Um and
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it's
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on the one hand it's something they've
14:45
done before. They did it in Legion.
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Uh they had multiple worlds like Legion
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Battlefronts where you went to other
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worlds the Legion was invading. Uh this
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time you're going to go to two different
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worlds and fight the the void on these
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planets. One's a frozen wasteland and
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the other is a big fungus place. Uh
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I think it's I can't pronounce either of
15:04
these names, but I'll try. Uh Ny'alotha,
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which is the fungus and it's got
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Ethereals there, another faction of
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Ethereals, which I'm interested to see
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if they're also cuckoo for voidy puffs.
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Um and there's Val, which is just the
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short name. I can't I I know why I said
15:20
I couldn't pronounce Val. That's like,
15:22
what?
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Val, I thought it was like Valatalk, but
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it turns out to be that's just a comma
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and more words. So, it was like
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Valafarotha.
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What's that word word?
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>> We We actually have a couple more things
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about this that have been data mined,
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but not confirmed yet.
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>> Oh, go for it.
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>> Is that so
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the void showdown specifically refers to
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basically luring out and killing
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whatever void lieutenant is in charge in
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these subzones.
15:49
Um there is hints that that will then
15:51
unlock a heroic world tier. Um not sure
15:55
if it's just for those zones. I think
15:57
the implication is that it is, but it
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seems like the heroic world tier from
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Legion may be starting to
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it creep its way into the retail game.
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Um yeah, so that's just a neat thing.
16:07
They haven't confirmed it, but there's a
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lot of I think the achievement
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specifically for killing one of the
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world bosses in a void showdown mentions
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uh a heroic world tier. So.
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>> I'm I'm interested in why they're
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choosing to do this here and now during
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this patch.
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And the reason I say that is because it
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feels weird that we're going to other
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planets to fight the void after and I'm
16:29
not going to spoil anything, but
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directly following the events of uh the
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current raid tier.
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>> of the patch.
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>> Yeah, like it it it seems like this
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would have almost been better as a
16:42
lead-in to midnight. Where
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>> Yeah.
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>> Or the next patch, the actual next
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patch, 12.1. This might have been
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something that we missed.
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>> I don't think that I don't think it's
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going to happen.
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>> think I don't think it would either
16:55
because of the the way that the story
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ended. Like it just seems like a a weird
16:58
choice. Like it almost feels like this
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is where you This is like a They were
17:03
working on it, it didn't get finished,
17:05
and now it is, and they put it in. And
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I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm
17:08
not saying that as a negative. I'm just
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saying like the placement and timing
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just feels weird. It like
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>> That's That's also how I felt about the
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12.0.5 features, to be fair, except for
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original sites because of some of the
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stuff that happens there, but like
17:20
adding in more void-related attacks on
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the zone after the event story, yeah,
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felt weird.
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>> Well, I mean, I Liz mentioned this
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earlier, how how full 1205 felt. And now
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1207 feels really full. And one of the
17:35
things, looking at the void showdowns,
17:37
looking at the the omnium folio, which
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as Liz said, borrowed power. Um and then
17:44
looking at the new raid and the fact
17:46
that it's testing out the whole
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um flex, you know, mythic. And you're
17:52
looking at the lore walking, which seems
17:53
to lead into something involving uh
17:56
what's that name? The Divine Land of
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Spears or whatever, the the the the
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island Phil was talking about. All of
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this feels to me like it's test stuff.
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Like, can we get this to be stable on
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live? Can these mechanics be live? Like,
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I and I don't know why I feel that way
18:10
cuz it doesn't feel like a PTR thing,
18:12
but it does feel a little bit like
18:14
they're they're throwing stuff at the
18:16
wall to see what works and what sticks.
18:20
Do Do Does anyone else get that sense?
18:21
Like that there's just so much stuff in
18:23
these patches.
18:24
>> There's always an element of that, I
18:25
think. Um I don't think we we're ever
18:28
going to escape that.
18:30
Um so, who knows? Like I mean, some of
18:33
this
18:33
>> really busy patches.
18:35
>> Yeah, and some of this does feel like
18:36
iteration on things we've seen before.
18:37
Like these These void showdowns,
18:40
honestly, remind me of like a souped-up
18:43
version of the uh two things in
18:45
particular. One was the Legion invasions
18:48
from Argus, where we followed the Legion
18:50
to planets that they were invading and
18:51
fought them there. In fact, I think Val
18:54
is one of those.
18:55
>> Val is one of them. It's one of the It's
18:56
one of the three planets we go to. Cuz
18:58
we go to a fire a fire planet, an ice
18:59
planet, and a fell planet.
19:01
>> Yeah, and like stand near the fire.
19:02
Well, there's also like a forest one,
19:04
too, and I thought Nighthold Nighthold
19:05
was that one, but it's different cuz
19:07
that one's like an actual nighttime
19:08
forest planet, which was actually a map
19:10
that got reused in Shadowlands, but
19:12
anyway.
19:13
Um the other thing that sort of reminds
19:14
me of is the elemental invasions that
19:17
were in that one corner in of
19:20
uh Caldrazas in Dragonflight where you
19:22
would basically go to that alternate
19:24
timeline where the primalists had won
19:27
and you'd have like additional world
19:29
quests and zone events and world bosses
19:31
that spawned in there. This reminds me
19:33
of that specifically a little bit.
19:36
But um
19:37
>> Yeah. Yeah, I feel
19:37
>> I know some of I know some of the
19:38
features we're getting are also like
19:40
they don't always seem necessarily on
19:42
target because Blizzard has lots of
19:43
teams working in parallel and sometimes
19:45
someone just has a cool idea like day
19:47
core tools don't, you know, fit in with
19:49
anything else that was necessarily in
19:51
the patch, but you know, somebody worked
19:53
on this and thought it was a cool idea
19:54
and implemented it and they threw it out
19:56
there. It's It's apparently a lot of
19:57
fun.
19:58
>> project sometime.
19:59
>> Someone had a passion project for prop
20:00
hunts and I don't blame them.
20:03
>> Or like I like you just made the point
20:05
um sometimes it feels like this is stuff
20:07
they were trying to get done and didn't
20:09
quite get done.
20:10
So maybe they're just bringing it in
20:12
now. I mean, if you had it like 90% done
20:15
why wouldn't you just keep working on
20:16
it? You're going to throw away all that
20:17
work now? I mean maybe it'll feel a
20:20
little awkward, but better to have the
20:21
content than not, right?
20:23
>> Yeah.
20:24
>> But regardless, I feel like we've talked
20:25
about that quite a bit cuz it is nearly
20:28
Yeah, okay. Um
20:30
we should probably talk about the
20:32
Gilnean themed transmog trading post
20:35
deal because I just went and blew a
20:36
whole bunch of tendies. So I'm I'm going
20:39
to sit back and not talk about it for a
20:41
second just because I feel like number
20:43
one, Liz should get to talk and number
20:45
two I don't want to just rant about how
20:47
great I liked the Teenage Mutant Ninja
20:48
Turtles outfits. So yeah.
20:50
>> sits at my D&D table in my in-game wow
20:52
house.
20:53
>> I appreciate that three of us three or
20:54
four of us now have built D&D tables and
20:56
they just keep getting bigger and
20:57
better. It's fun.
20:58
>> I have any I have yet I have yet to
21:00
fully rebuild it.
21:02
>> Our adventurers are nerds, too. Good to
21:03
know.
21:04
>> Yep.
21:04
>> Well, I
21:05
you got to you got to be a nerd. That's
21:08
how are we here otherwise?
21:10
Um
21:11
Uh so yes, this month's trading post is
21:15
Gilnean themed.
21:16
>> Two horses.
21:18
>> Yeah, there are two horses,
21:21
but the thing about the horses that I
21:24
have a problem with is they're ground
21:25
mounts. How often do I use a ground
21:27
mount? Very rarely. So these horses
21:30
>> I actually found myself using my ground
21:32
mount a lot in the the the neighborhood.
21:34
>> Oh yeah, that's fair. It's just for the
21:37
price, I'm not going to I don't think
21:40
I'm going to get a lot of use out of
21:41
these, but there are hats.
21:44
There are a lot of hats, guys, including
21:48
a little off-center fascinator with some
21:51
lace on it. And yeah, it's perfect.
21:56
It's perfect. Um
21:58
>> I get a tanuki suit. I've been asking
22:00
for a tanuki suit since they started
22:01
doing this stuff. I get a tanuki suit.
22:04
>> I And this is this is like the third
22:06
>> on while I'm dressed up as a puppy.
22:08
>> Uh this is like the third tanuki suit
22:10
we've gotten. This one's like a white
22:12
fox. So
22:13
>> Yes, which is perfect.
22:15
>> Um
22:16
so yes, you could be a vulpera wearing a
22:18
fox costume.
22:20
That could be a thing.
22:21
>> All right, all right, while riding a fox
22:23
with a fox pet. And if you're a hunter,
22:25
two more fox pets. Two more fox pets,
22:27
yeah. Don't talk to me or my son or my
22:29
son or my son or my son or my son ever
22:30
again.
22:32
I just met this fox, but if I had to, I
22:35
would kill everybody in this room and
22:37
then myself.
22:38
>> Uh but yes, many stylish hats and I love
22:41
it. So many hats. There are like four
22:44
very stylish hats.
22:45
>> And more importantly, a top hat.
22:47
>> these hats Yeah, and some of these hats
22:49
still show your hair, too, from what
22:51
I've seen, which is something people
22:52
have been asking for. Although on
22:54
Although on some races it shows why that
22:56
technology is not ready yet.
22:58
Uh
22:58
the
23:00
uh one of the top hats uh on
23:02
specifically at gnomes and mechagnomes
23:04
just it doesn't it's just it just looks
23:07
like you somehow speared your hair
23:09
through the hat. Not a good look.
23:11
>> Yeah, I I have to say that right now
23:13
because of this particular
23:15
trading post, I now demand tortollans
23:18
become playable. I demand it.
23:19
>> Okay.
23:20
I'm on board.
23:20
>> Because I have and now I can basically
23:23
make all four
23:26
of the Ninja Turtles. I'm some of this
23:27
stuff might have already been in the
23:28
game. Like I'm sure there were katanas
23:30
people were using, but now you can
23:32
dual-wield katanas on a budget. You
23:34
don't have to have the expensive one,
23:36
although I do already have it. I have in
23:38
fact both of the big two-handed uh
23:40
both the blade of Hanna and Typhoon. And
23:42
it's the same model, so the fact that I
23:44
have both is just ridiculous. But
23:46
regardless, I do have both and I have
23:48
the green one that you got in Burning
23:50
Crusade. And now I've got the one I just
23:52
bought today because I want to have a
23:54
variety of Titan's Grip
23:56
katana options
23:58
uh for my tortollan who I demand we get.
24:01
And in the meantime, I'm probably going
24:02
to use a dragon person. Just you know,
24:04
I'll just be like pretend I'm a tur-
24:06
Just just go along with it.
24:08
Um but yes, I I I want playable
24:11
tortollan so we can be the Teenage
24:13
Mutant Turtles. I'll just make four
24:14
characters and just have one of each. I
24:17
have the staff. You have nunchucks now.
24:19
There's even an off-hand nunchuck if
24:22
you're a mage or something and you just
24:23
want to nunchuck people, you can just
24:25
off-hand nunchuck them.
24:27
Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so ridiculously
24:30
happy at the very idea of this. And it's
24:32
got nothing to do with with Gilneas or
24:35
whatever, but it's they do that every
24:36
time. They just throw in a whole bunch
24:38
of other stuff. The Gilneas stuff is
24:39
basically two horses uh
24:41
and then like
24:43
two crossbows and two outfits because
24:46
it's basically like it's the rebels from
24:49
outside. Yeah, there's more hats. And
24:53
then there's just hats that are there
24:55
that aren't even like they're not
24:57
there's a the multiple fox suits as Joe
24:59
pointed out but then there's just a
25:00
couple hats that just there. It's like
25:02
if you need a hat hey buy some more
25:04
hats.
25:05
Uh and then again bouncy dog bouncy
25:07
happy dog from uh
25:09
I want to say it's from Dragonflight. Uh
25:11
isn't that model originally from
25:12
Dragonflight? The the big dogon type
25:15
dog?
25:16
>> I thought it was before that.
25:18
>> No it's Dragonflight. It's uh it's the
25:20
Taiwan model.
25:21
>> Taiwan yes.
25:22
>> Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
25:23
>> Yeah.
25:24
>> Yeah. Lot of cool stuff. Uh that's
25:27
I got nothing else to say because if I
25:28
don't stop myself now we'll just be
25:30
going on and on forever.
25:31
>> Yeah. Um but the the bonus reward is
25:35
another Gilnean ensemble which uh
25:37
includes a red fedora. Is that what you
25:40
would call that? That's kind of what it
25:42
looks like to me. What
25:44
>> it's a pork pie.
25:45
>> Mhm.
25:46
>> Because I just want to say that I'm
25:48
saying that because I don't want to say
25:49
it's a fedora cuz then it's very much my
25:51
lady you know I I don't want to do that
25:52
so.
25:55
>> Uh so yes.
25:56
So many hats and I am so happy. I am so
25:59
happy for hats.
26:01
>> Now speaking of things that are not
26:02
going to make us as happy but you know I
26:05
happen have to talk about them. Go
26:06
ahead.
26:06
>> I was going to say I'm not I'm not
26:07
actually as mad about this one as I
26:09
thought I was going to be.
26:10
>> See
26:11
let's just straight up talk about this.
26:13
Uh
26:13
Diablo 4 is doing a World of Warcraft
26:17
themed month or so. Um it's it's like
26:21
basically it's all paid stuff you can go
26:24
buy or there's one
26:27
of those reliquary deals that you can
26:29
get half of the stuff in it for just in
26:31
game money but then you have to buy the
26:33
other half.
26:34
>> Honestly not even half of it but there's
26:36
a little there's a little bit of free
26:38
stuff.
26:39
>> I want to say the first four at least
26:40
cuz I've I'm almost done doing it
26:42
because here's the deal. Um I I am
26:45
sitting here simultaneously upset about
26:47
this and also the the beneficiary of it
26:50
because my wife one of my the people who
26:52
works for with my wife in this the
26:54
government of Alberta
26:55
is a huge fan of this show and us.
26:58
And found out she was married to me and
27:00
threw platinum at her to give to me.
27:04
So I got gifted a whole ton of platinum
27:06
and I bought all this. I bought every
27:09
set. I bought the entirety of them
27:12
because it was cheaper also. It's it
27:13
actually cost much less than everything
27:16
and because they put Ashkandi on a
27:18
freaking necromancer.
27:20
>> Are you kidding me?
27:22
>> Yeah, but we talked about this. At least
27:24
it wasn't a warlock. You said it was a
27:25
warlock and I was like
27:26
>> it was a warlock at first. So yeah, but
27:28
like at least at least at least uh
27:30
necromancers can use two-handed weapons
27:32
and they have the Death Knight armor
27:33
set. They look the part.
27:35
>> Yeah, and also now that I have that
27:38
weapon I can use it on my barbarian.
27:39
>> Yeah, there you go.
27:41
>> Weapon two-handed weapons don't care
27:43
about class as long as the class can use
27:44
them. So if you're a right now if you
27:47
are a necromancer, you can use sulfurous
27:50
unless you can't use hammers.
27:52
>> Yeah, you guys can use hammers, can't
27:53
you?
27:54
>> I don't know.
27:55
>> Paladins can't. I know that one.
27:57
>> Um regardless, I these are beautiful
27:59
sets. They are I'm going to say that
28:01
before we get into the next
28:02
>> Oh yeah, no the art direction on these
28:03
is absolutely gorgeous. The tier two
28:05
druid set that they did made me
28:07
like I want to spend real money on this
28:09
because of that. Go ahead.
28:10
>> Liz?
28:11
>> And the real thing about these armor
28:13
sets, these tier two look like armor
28:15
sets in Diablo 4,
28:17
Diablo 4 has armor dyes.
28:20
>> Yes, I was going to say that.
28:21
>> You can make
28:23
You can make any of these sets any color
28:25
you want with all Okay, there are
28:26
limitations on any color.
28:28
>> Of the colors that are available.
28:29
>> But also I would like I would like to
28:31
>> a lot of color options.
28:33
>> There I want to throw something out
28:34
there too that's a little like I don't
28:35
know if it's Easter egg but this has to
28:37
be intentional.
28:39
Way way way way way way back when when
28:42
hero specs were still being uh talked
28:45
about, there was a design feature or
28:49
some uh was that one of the BlizzCons
28:50
they were talking about it where they
28:52
had like a note it was a slide on the
28:54
thing. We talked about it on the site
28:55
years ago. I was present in the the
28:58
crowd when when this was like up on
29:00
there and it was a thing where they
29:02
pointed out that like they were looking
29:03
at all these different hero classes for
29:05
all of the specs where the original idea
29:07
was that classes in WoW could like you
29:09
know hero spec into something. We have
29:11
the hero talents now but one of them was
29:14
for the Shaman which was for the spirit
29:16
caller. And so now the spirit born
29:20
getting the tier two Shaman set is I
29:23
think a cheeky nod to that because it is
29:27
the way that the spirit born plays is
29:29
almost exactly what they were talking
29:31
about with the spirit caller for Shaman
29:35
way back when. So like I think I I think
29:37
that was a really interesting neat
29:39
little touch.
29:40
>> Yeah, I also really briefly before we go
29:42
on to talk about the other part of this
29:43
that I think is not as good. Um
29:46
because of the dyes that Liz mentioned
29:49
and because one of the models you can
29:51
get is Thunderfury. Um
29:54
>> Did somebody say Thunderfury?
29:56
>> Yes. Barbarians can do a thing. Do you
29:58
remember there's a Burning Crusade elf
30:02
who used to wander around on a dragon
30:04
and murder you randomly?
30:07
>> Uh and he was wearing wrath but red with
30:12
two Thunderfuries. And since there's now
30:15
I have the dragon from the from the doom
30:18
set. Uh I bought I got the dragon cuz
30:21
you know again ton ton of money
30:23
a ton of platinum.
30:24
I ride around on a dragon in red wrath
30:27
killing things as I see them. I just
30:28
jump off my mount and start killing them
30:30
going haha this is what it feels like.
30:33
Uh the Diablo mobs don't don't know. I'm
30:35
actually telling myself that this is
30:37
actually my original WoW character
30:39
somehow stuck in sanctuary going you
30:42
guys have a serious demon problem. I
30:44
thought we had one but this place is you
30:46
guys have got to get this under control
30:49
regardless. However, have you tried
30:50
yelling at it? Yeah, cuz I yeah,
30:53
actually I do.
30:54
But but there are problems.
30:57
One of them is the fact that as Liz
30:58
pointed out they they've also done
31:00
recolors of this these exact sets for
31:03
void assault. They did it when they
31:05
brought back the second Mage Tower
31:07
different set but still they they've
31:09
been doing this a lot.
31:10
Was it also the didn't they bring these
31:12
sets back with the redesigned versions
31:14
for the anniversary a year or two ago?
31:16
>> Yeah, yeah, these were all anniversary
31:18
sets. I mean one of the things was
31:22
you know, this is tier two. They brought
31:24
back reimagined tier two sets for the
31:27
anniversary in wow, not Diablo. And like
31:31
Death Knights Evokers and none of them
31:33
had tier two sets. So they imagined a
31:37
tier two set for them and that's
31:39
actually the set that the necromancer
31:42
has in Diablo this reimagined Death
31:44
Knight tier two set which
31:47
I think it looks really great. And of
31:50
course since there
31:51
since there weren't Death Knights in
31:55
vanilla when tier two was a thing,
31:57
they're using this reimagined set and
32:01
there wasn't a particular weapon for
32:03
Death Knights. So they just they grabbed
32:05
Ashbringer. They so they just put
32:07
something. They just put something in
32:08
there.
32:09
>> There wasn't a particular weapon for
32:11
Death Knights. Death Knights don't have
32:12
any famously associated two-handed
32:13
swords or anything.
32:14
>> Well, except except I think the last
32:17
Warcraft what's the last Warcraft
32:19
crossover they did.
32:21
>> They did the Arthas thing, right? With
32:23
the Frostmourne.
32:24
>> They did an Arthas armor set that I
32:26
think had a a Frostmourne. So you can't
32:28
just
32:29
>> Man I talked about it. They could have
32:30
done Shadowmourne.
32:31
>> Shadowmourne, yeah.
32:32
>> They did do Shadowmourne.
32:35
Yes, you can buy one of the
32:38
Look at this Liz, go ahead.
32:40
>> I So, the axe is in the
32:43
Azaroth Reliquary that you can buy and
32:46
then
32:48
after you buy it with money, it costs
32:49
$15, then you can buy everything in it
32:53
with tokens.
32:54
>> It's not. It's in the
32:55
It's in the Weapons of Azaroth second
32:58
completely separate thing that you buy.
33:01
>> And that purchase So,
33:03
like the thing is
33:05
all of these purchases, the armor sets
33:06
individually, there's an armor set for
33:08
each class and one class cannot wear
33:10
another class's armor.
33:12
Uh each of them costs $28.
33:14
A $28 real money. You can, as Matt
33:18
pointed out, buy a bundle which costs
33:21
way less than buying all of them. $57
33:24
will get you the bundle of all classes
33:25
which is an amazing value, but it's over
33:29
$50 for a bunch of
33:31
a bunch of digital armor sets. I I
33:34
actually really want the Necromancer
33:35
set. I want it, but I'm also like, this
33:37
is such a stupid thing to spend real
33:40
money on.
33:42
>> I especially Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And
33:44
that's the thing is it makes it like it
33:46
feels like it's punishing. Like I felt I
33:49
If I didn't have access to this guy's
33:51
platinum, I would have felt dirty. And
33:54
in fact, when I saw that I was going to
33:57
just buy the warrior set. And so I saw
34:00
and and I was super excited that the
34:02
warrior got um two weapons from
34:05
Blackwing Lair, Crul'shorukh and Doom's
34:08
Edge. I'm like, yeah. Uh hunters used to
34:10
take those all the time, so I'm glad I
34:11
finally get them.
34:13
But then I saw
34:14
where Ashkandi was. And first I saw that
34:16
that the paladin had the Untamed Blade
34:19
and I was like, that's weird. Why
34:21
wouldn't the paladin have Ashkandi? Like
34:23
I figured the paladin would have
34:24
Ashkandi, but no, there it is, the
34:25
Untamed Blade. I'm like, oh, that's
34:26
weird. Then I got to the Necromancer, I
34:27
was like, okay, it it it's not on the
34:29
warlock, but I'm not buying a
34:31
Necromancer I would never wear that. And
34:34
then I saw that the fact that the bundle
34:36
versus if I bought just the barb set, it
34:39
would have been 2800 platinum.
34:41
>> Yeah.
34:42
>> Buying all, I think eight, six, however
34:45
many there are, buying all of them was
34:47
only 5700 platinum.
34:50
>> Yeah.
34:50
It cost just
34:52
It's like a dollar more than buying two
34:54
sets. So, why why not buy the whole
34:56
thing?
34:57
>> to if you know you're going to get two
34:58
sets, you might as well just buy the
35:00
whole thing. But at the same time, if if
35:02
I didn't get
35:04
this as a gift, I would not justify it.
35:06
>> It feels bad, man.
35:08
>> In a world where I can sometimes look at
35:10
at my bills and go,
35:12
I are we going to be able to afford this
35:14
this month?
35:15
The idea of of dropping like 70 bucks
35:19
when you also all is said and done uh
35:22
on this stuff, it's
35:24
crazy. Yeah, it's nuts.
35:27
>> And then the the weapon set is another
35:30
15 or 20 dollars?
35:31
>> It's the weapon set.
35:33
>> Yeah, the weapons just by themselves,
35:35
which is Shadowmourne, Shadowmourne, the
35:37
rogue daggers, the rogue legendaries.
35:39
It's just every legendary
35:41
uh except Sulfuras. Sulfuras was in the
35:43
other one. But it's like Shadowmourne,
35:45
Val'anyr, the two rogue daggers, and
35:49
Terrok's Terrogos's Rest. It's those
35:51
weapons. And that's 1500 platinum.
35:54
That's so 15 bucks US. And then there's
35:57
the other reliquary where you have to
35:59
you can get four free and the rest you
36:01
got to pay 15 bucks for.
36:02
>> And so the bonus item on that reliquary,
36:06
which
36:07
how reliquaries work is a bunch of
36:09
rewards. You buy them with tokens of
36:11
different kinds depending on what kind
36:12
of reliquary it is.
36:14
And if you buy everything, you get a
36:16
bonus reward. The bonus reward for this
36:19
is a miniature carpet
36:23
that will and pets in Diablo 4
36:26
the reason you have a pet in Diablo 4 is
36:28
it will follow along after you all the
36:30
time and pick up gold.
36:31
>> Yes. Thank Thank you.
36:33
You don't have to They curbed that from
36:35
Torchlight. Thank you.
36:36
>> So, finally the Torchlight pet, I love
36:38
it.
36:39
>> But not only does it get gold, it also
36:40
picks up all the other junk except
36:42
weapons and stuff. Like it picks up gems
36:45
and it picks up gold.
36:47
>> Yeah.
36:48
>> Yeah. So, I you can't run without it.
36:51
Like it seriously you do not want to
36:52
have to pick all this stuff up yourself.
36:54
It will drive you insane. So, yeah, the
36:56
pet's necessary. Uh I I would rather
36:59
Here's the other problem. Uh we haven't
37:01
even mentioned that they also put up a
37:03
series of mounts and other cosmetics.
37:06
There's an Anzu You can buy Anzu. You
37:09
can buy uh the screaming dragon that
37:12
goes on about magic. I thought Anzu was
37:14
a drop.
37:15
>> No.
37:16
Not in this game. On Diablo 4 it didn't.
37:19
>> All right. He's a straight-up you spend
37:20
a 2800 platinum and there he is. Okay,
37:23
then they might Raven Lord.
37:25
Yeah, the because I'm the Raven Lord I
37:27
thought was also a very small drop
37:28
chance.
37:29
>> I have not seen it drop anywhere. I've
37:30
not heard about it drop.
37:31
>> No, I don't I don't I don't think they
37:34
do drops like that. It's a reliquary or
37:36
it's a purchase.
37:37
>> Uh
37:38
>> I mean there's There's a few pets that I
37:40
There's a There's a animal on the same
37:42
skeleton that I know gets as a drop cuz
37:44
I
37:44
>> Oh, that's Yeah, okay. That's maybe what
37:46
I'm thinking about. Yeah.
37:48
But it's also one that goes on the
37:49
rabbit.
37:50
>> a It's like a reskin of the basilisk
37:51
mounts, I think.
37:53
>> Yep. In fact, I'm convinced they
37:54
designed the basilisk mounts so they
37:56
could put Anzu on them.
37:57
>> So, you put a bird in it. Yeah.
37:58
>> Yeah. But yeah, there's like not Targos
38:01
uh Sindragosa.
38:03
Uh you got her. You can ride her around.
38:05
Um you can get Anzu.
38:07
>> Also Also so cool.
38:10
>> Yeah, it's a very good That is a very
38:12
good dragon mount. It is
38:13
>> And yet.
38:14
>> Yeah. And yet you're spending 30 bucks
38:17
on it.
38:18
>> Yeah.
38:19
>> And there's like There's five of them.
38:21
Uh one of them is the weapon thing we
38:23
just mentioned, Uh but the other four
38:25
are like there's two mounts and two
38:27
pets, one of which is baby Sargeras
38:28
essentially. I'm sitting here going
38:31
I'm not giving you money for Sargeras as
38:33
a pet. I'm not.
38:35
All you're getting from me. Like you
38:36
know, I've already this platinum was
38:38
given to me and I've used it and I'm and
38:41
I'm like looking going I'm only I'm 400
38:43
short on buying that. No.
38:45
>> Hey you. I exactly. Exactly.
38:49
>> So, the fact that it's platinum means
38:52
that there's also that weird disconnect
38:54
where you don't have you either have
38:57
like this weird leftover chunk of
38:59
platinum in your account that isn't good
39:01
to buy anything, but it's enough that
39:03
you're looking at it going
39:05
I got 400 platinum and and this thing
39:08
costs 1,500 platinum. That's 900
39:11
platinum.
39:11
>> I've got 700 platinum sitting in my
39:13
coffers right now.
39:14
>> Yeah, and you're like
39:16
>> close
39:17
>> justify this? Can I not justify this?
39:19
>> Yeah, it's
39:20
>> But ultimately like in in here's the
39:22
thing, I I get on Blizzard a lot about
39:26
their microtransactions,
39:28
but at the end of the day these are all
39:31
cosmetics and
39:34
when it's in that realm, I find I don't
39:36
care as much. Like I don't I'm not as
39:38
hateful about it.
39:40
>> I'm not hateful about it.
39:41
>> I will
39:43
I as long as it's reasonably priced.
39:45
However, we need to move on because we
39:47
need to get to the one that I am mad
39:49
about. Uh
39:50
>> Okay, go.
39:51
>> So, not only does Diablo say what I'm
39:54
mad about. I'm sure it is. Diablo has
39:56
its own its own thing and we've we've we
39:59
we're going to talk about another one
40:00
that I'm sure Liz has emotions about as
40:02
well. Uh but there are two new house
40:04
skins for wild, which turn your house
40:06
into a cozy treehouse. One is Sakura
40:09
pink
40:10
>> them.
40:10
>> and the other is green.
40:12
>> Uh here's the problem.
40:14
>> so much.
40:14
>> They're They're gorgeous. The art
40:16
direction absolutely phenomenal. The
40:18
houses themselves, I am in love with
40:22
them. That pink one especially matches
40:25
my aesthetic ideals.
40:27
Um, however,
40:29
uh, it's $40 USD or 4,000 Hearthstone
40:34
for just the two trees or 7,500
40:39
Hearthstone or $75 USD
40:42
for the entire bundle that comes with
40:45
more exterior items. And again, these
40:47
are gorgeous. These are absolutely
40:49
gorgeous. I am not spending $75 on this.
40:52
Are you blanking kidding me?
40:55
Like, I understand that we need to pay
40:57
artists, but like
40:58
I can't imagine I can't imagine that
41:01
lowering that price would not result in
41:04
a flood of people potentially wanting to
41:06
buy it.
41:07
>> This is not a microtransaction at this
41:09
point. This is a macrotransaction.
41:12
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:13
>> This is ridiculous.
41:14
>> I am curious though cuz I know what my
41:16
demarc point is.
41:18
What what would be the point of which
41:20
you would have said, "Yeah, eff it. This
41:22
is this is, you know, throwaway money
41:24
because I like it and it's pretty."
41:25
>> Uh,
41:26
I would probably pay 30 for the bundle.
41:29
>> I was going to say about half of what
41:30
you're actually talking about.
41:31
>> cuz that's slightly more than the
41:33
bundles where slightly more on par I
41:35
think with the bundles where you get
41:37
like a mountain of full transmog set.
41:39
>> Yep.
41:40
>> Um, and that has typically been about
41:41
the most expensive thing I will buy
41:43
other than the time that I fell asleep
41:45
and accidentally bought a bundle in
41:46
Diablo 4. So yeah, I think 30 is uh
41:50
>> Oh, no. I fell asleep.
41:52
>> This literally happened to me. I nodded
41:54
off while playing on controller and when
41:55
I woke up I was confirming the
41:57
microtransaction for uh
42:00
the horse and platinum package that cost
42:02
real money.
42:03
>> Oh, yeah. You know what's good about
42:04
that though? I one time that happened to
42:07
me not because I fell asleep but because
42:09
their server charged me twice.
42:12
>> Yeah.
42:13
>> But then I ended up like I've got an
42:14
extra bit of platinum and they're not
42:15
going to refund it, so I might as well
42:16
just buy that thing.
42:18
>> But yeah, like like getting back to it
42:19
like I mean Liz, I mean I'm I don't know
42:21
if you would agree with that. I mean
42:23
Matt already said the same Matt or Matt
42:25
already agreed with us, so
42:27
what do you think would be fair for
42:28
that, Liz?
42:29
>> Uh for the houses, I'd pay half what
42:31
they were asking. I'd pay 20 bucks. I
42:33
think I would have already If it was 20
42:35
bucks, I'd already bought it.
42:36
>> Yeah.
42:37
>> At 40 bucks, I'm
42:39
I'm thinking about it, but I'm probably
42:41
going to say no. I mean, it's like even
42:43
in Diablo, there's $28 armor bundles.
42:46
I'm like, "Man, I really want this. I'm
42:49
playing a lot of Diablo. I would have
42:50
fun wearing this." And I'm like, "$28
42:53
for one armor set for one class or
42:57
$57
42:58
for an armor set for every class? I
43:02
Uh but even that is less money than
43:04
these houses and I'm I'm having trouble.
43:06
I'm I'm struggling.
43:08
>> Yeah, and and like I've spent and and
43:10
maybe I'm the wrong audience, but like
43:12
I've spent like 20 $25 on a skin in
43:14
League of Legends for a character that I
43:16
absolutely adore because it's my main
43:19
and I wanted to make it look pretty.
43:21
I I've done that. I've been that person.
43:23
Um 75 feels like a really big ask even
43:27
for as gorgeous as these are,
43:29
especially in the current economic state
43:32
of the world. I would have thought that
43:34
they would have one, read the room, uh
43:38
and two, had a little more like
43:40
wherewithal. Like I want to know why
43:42
they came up with that that price point
43:44
for it. And where the conversation was
43:47
where
43:48
I can't imagine they're getting a ton of
43:50
sales of this. I'm sure people have
43:51
bought it, but it can't be nearly as
43:53
much as if it was half this price
43:56
because I think it wouldn't be it
43:57
wouldn't be double the people that were
43:59
buying it, but you toss this into
44:01
impulse purchase range at $20 mark, and
44:05
>> Uh-huh.
44:06
>> then it explodes. I have How many people
44:08
have wasted $20 on random stuff from the
44:12
like the Blizzard in-game shop because
44:15
it was cute or funny or they wanted to
44:17
have a Murloc backpack or whatever the
44:18
case is.
44:19
They would do the same thing here. So,
44:22
that's that's just my thing. It's just
44:25
Yeah.
44:26
>> Speaking of though, I think that that we
44:28
should talk about the final thing here.
44:30
Um Liz,
44:32
this one I'm pretty sure you put here.
44:34
>> No, but
44:35
>> You talked about
44:36
>> Uh
44:36
yeah, Hearthstone has another one of its
44:39
uh
44:40
gotcha games
44:41
coming in.
44:43
Uh which
44:44
uh
44:45
we talked about these. Uh Hearthstone
44:48
has a gotcha game that comes up
44:50
occasionally and it's just it's just uh
44:54
you spin the wheel, you get a prize.
44:56
That's all it is. That's the entire
44:58
game. Uh you spin the wheel, you get a
45:00
prize. Your first spin is free. I think
45:02
the second one costs $2. I think the
45:04
third one costs $6 or $8. But uh there's
45:09
really low chance to get the cool prizes
45:12
that you really want, which in this case
45:14
is an Alexstrasza skin, which is
45:16
actually less cool than the pets these
45:19
sometimes cost. But the tiny tiny
45:23
percent chance
45:25
that you you would get that is so small
45:29
so small that you're going to have to
45:31
get every reward before you get the cool
45:33
thing. And getting every reward is going
45:36
to set you back $150
45:39
or $160. It's so wildly expensive that
45:44
it's just kind of disgusting. Like if
45:46
they just said, "Hey, you can have this
45:48
Alexstrasza skin for $150." I would be,
45:52
"That's gross. I don't have that kind of
45:54
money." But it would feel less gross
45:56
than having it with this gambling game
45:59
where
46:00
even after you get all of the rewards
46:02
except for the one you want, the Okay,
46:06
if you get all of the rewards but two,
46:08
the chance for getting the good reward
46:10
is still sub 1%. That's
46:13
the the percentages are so low, they're
46:15
forcing you to just do "Oh, I'm just
46:17
going to buy one more spin. One more
46:18
spin." even as they get exponentially
46:21
more expensive. And it feels deceptive,
46:24
it feels gross, and every time this
46:27
comes around, I have this same reaction
46:30
to it, which
46:32
is that I I don't love it. I don't love
46:34
it.
46:35
>> I will say that I'm actually thankful
46:37
that they decided to not make it be like
46:39
that awesome King Krush baby dinosaur
46:42
thing. Um and
46:44
>> I'm not that there's anything wrong with
46:45
Alexstrasza.
46:46
>> They have Well, they've done a couple of
46:48
months that were skins, and a lot of
46:51
months where it's uh it's a pet, you
46:54
know, there was a bunny pet, the bunny
46:56
was really cute. It They've had so many
47:00
so many so cute you could die pets.
47:04
And yeah, but it's just so expensive,
47:06
and it's not just that they're selling
47:07
it. It's not
47:10
It would not feel as bad if they just
47:11
sold it. And I mean, Hearthstone has
47:13
other really expensive bundles. Like
47:15
right now, there is a bundle of three
47:18
mythic Ragnaros skins with um I believe
47:22
it comes with 18 Hearthstone packs of
47:24
various types. So, these three skins and
47:27
the handful of packs they come with is
47:28
$120.
47:30
And it's just the upsells in this game.
47:33
The nice thing is you don't have to buy
47:35
any of these upsells to play the game.
47:37
But it's
47:38
it's it's kind of annoying for for
47:40
Diablo, for Warcraft, for Hearthstone,
47:43
when you look into the game and you're
47:45
there's your
47:47
microtransactions are plastered
47:49
everywhere, and it's it feels like so
47:52
many of the game development assets are
47:55
going into purchases and not stuff that
47:58
you could get when you play the game. It
47:59
It feels extra bad in World of Warcraft
48:02
cuz you are playing paying to play the
48:04
game. We're paying every month to play
48:07
this game.
48:08
And yet, they're still saying, "Oh, but
48:11
if you want a treehouse, you want to be
48:13
in a treehouse in the game? Well, that's
48:14
an extra 40 bucks." So, it feels extra
48:18
bad
48:19
>> Yeah.
48:19
>> in Warcraft, but it feels bad enough in
48:22
these free-to-play games when the
48:24
microtransactions are through the roof.
48:27
>> I will also say though that at least
48:28
it's in a system that we can say, and I
48:33
I won't say what I would normally say
48:34
here cuz I don't feel like editing it
48:35
out later. Um
48:37
but this is this is like that scene in
48:41
uh the movie Major League uh where
48:43
Serrano
48:45
chucks off his uh worship of a god and
48:47
says, "I'll do it myself." Uh you can
48:50
make your own treehouse, and in fact,
48:51
people have been doing that since the
48:52
housing stuff has been available. Uh
48:54
>> Yeah.
48:54
>> People of people have found ways to to
48:57
make some really interesting
48:59
contraptions that rival anything Tears
49:01
of the Kingdom allowed people to make.
49:02
Uh in like really cool and creative
49:05
ways, and the system does at least
49:08
reward you for being creative with
49:09
what's available. So, at the end of the
49:11
day, as cute as this is and as
49:13
ready-made as it is,
49:15
we if I really wanted to, I could
49:17
probably go and make my own treehouse.
49:19
So, at least there's that.
49:20
>> I I have also thought, you know, I can I
49:23
can sit down, I could make my own
49:24
treehouse. I haven't put I've been
49:26
paralyzed with indecision about player
49:28
housing, so I haven't I haven't done
49:30
much with it.
49:32
Uh but yeah, things like they just feels
49:34
bad. I feel bad about it.
49:36
>> Fair.
49:36
>> Yeah, I I wanted Liz, if right now you
49:39
could do the uh site news so that we can
49:40
then talk about something cuz Joe wants
49:42
to talk about something in Diablo 4.
49:46
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Every week.
53:14
>> That is so many words. I'm I get to the
53:15
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53:17
breathe and have a drink of water.
53:21
>> Yeah, you go do that. Joe is going to
53:22
talk about the Let's just Joe, I'm just
53:25
going to let you go. Go ahead.
53:27
>> Yeah, so this has been the talk of the
53:28
town today because it's Tuesday at the
53:31
time of this recording, and that means
53:33
that we have discovered the most random
53:36
and greatest thing that Diablo 4's
53:38
expansion has given us. Friends, it's
53:41
been building since the Diablo IV first
53:44
release with the hidden quest to go and
53:46
find the the stamina potion, and then it
53:49
continued in the Vessel of Hatred with
53:51
the hidden quest to find the rusted
53:53
bardiche. Uh and now uh there's another
53:56
item that we can go find that now gives
53:58
us access to another lengthy quest chain
54:01
to go find the hidden bovine sanctuary
54:04
island just off the Isles of Scovos that
54:07
now leads us to an actual factual real
54:11
cow level in Diablo IV. Uh which this
54:15
has been one of the
54:18
it's been one of the coolest things. I
54:20
know it's such a a niche hidden thing,
54:22
but all the nods to all of the original
54:25
uh Diablo games, like the stamina potion
54:28
being like a like the joke in the game
54:30
is that you have to kill so many cows to
54:33
go get this thing.
54:35
Uh and it's look cuz the joke from
54:37
Diablo II was that stamina potions were
54:39
you drinking your milk uh to keep you
54:42
going because it was at the time where
54:43
the '90s got milk commercials were a
54:45
thing, so everybody made that joke. Um
54:48
so the stamina potions there, uh the
54:50
rusted bardiche has references to
54:53
uh again
54:54
like like I think it's Diablo III
54:55
references in there. You get to the
54:58
You get to the island and there's a a
55:00
whole uh like a unicorn skeleton
55:05
uh that's like, "What is this? It's a
55:06
horse. It looks like it has a bone
55:08
coming out of its head."
55:09
All these little touches are so cool,
55:12
and the fact that it is only available
55:14
one day a week, and it is only available
55:17
on Tuesdays is hilarious because it is
55:20
server reset day. Go ahead.
55:22
>> That's the thing. You know, you're
55:23
playing World of Warcraft, the servers
55:26
are down for maintenance. The Diablo
55:27
servers don't do maintenance on that
55:29
schedule. So
55:32
what what a better time to go visit the
55:35
cow level?
55:36
>> Actually, there is one other thing I
55:38
need to mention about uh in Diablo,
55:40
there is an infamous character named and
55:43
in Diablo
55:44
we find an appendage of Wirt's and
55:48
>> Yes, the
55:49
>> Don't say it.
55:50
>> I'm not going to say it. I'm not saying
55:52
it.
55:52
>> Okay.
55:53
>> The thing that you have to find this
55:55
time that hit me in the gut.
55:57
>> Yeah, it We're not We're not talking
55:59
about the one that that Liz thought we
56:00
were going to say. Um
56:02
>> I'm just Yeah, I'm just making sure.
56:04
>> But again, that that reference to it was
56:06
just Yeah, it was I looked at it and I
56:08
was like, oh oh no. But like it this
56:12
>> sense.
56:12
>> It made sense for this expansion. It
56:15
made sense for this game.
56:16
>> three of those pieces that you get for
56:18
it Yeah, yes.
56:19
Um I'm not going to explain too much
56:21
into it in case you want to like go in
56:23
and there are several guides out there.
56:25
It is a lengthy series of things that
56:26
you have to do that are hidden quests,
56:28
hidden timers, and hidden achievements.
56:31
>> The first one was so ridiculous.
56:33
>> It involves killing so many cows.
56:36
>> Well, technically
56:37
>> So many cows.
56:38
>> Technically, you can get away with
56:40
killing only about a thousand of them if
56:42
if you're unlucky.
56:43
>> Only about a thousand of them.
56:45
>> Well, I I'll explain I'll explain this.
56:48
Yeah, I'll explain I'll explain this
56:49
part of it cuz I think it's it's
56:50
worthwhile, right? Go ahead, Liz, if you
56:51
want to
56:52
>> And just getting your So, you kill a
56:54
bunch of cows and then you get, you
56:56
know, your little widget that you're
56:57
going to need to get the next step.
57:00
>> have to kill 666
57:03
cows within a 7-day time period or it
57:06
resets.
57:08
>> To be exact, within 666,666
57:11
seconds.
57:12
>> Yes.
57:13
>> Of course. But it's like you have to
57:16
kill that many cows and then you get the
57:20
drop from the zone in which you kill the
57:21
final cow.
57:22
>> Yes.
57:23
>> But you've got to get that drop from
57:24
several different zones. And you're
57:27
Yes, you're only guaranteed to get that
57:30
drop on the 666th
57:33
cow kill.
57:35
>> For the first one.
57:35
>> So.
57:36
>> You can't get it before, but
57:37
>> No, no.
57:38
>> And then but yes, the
57:38
>> You can't. No, no, you can't get it
57:40
before the the they don't they will not
57:41
drop until you've hit 666.
57:43
>> It only That's That's the only time it
57:46
>> The other ones after you get the first
57:47
one, you have a small chance to get from
57:50
any of the cows you kill from there very
57:52
small.
57:52
>> Or
57:53
>> Except Except you're only get Or you
57:55
could do it with alts and do 666 for
57:57
each of them, but you could get lucky
57:59
and you do your 666 in one zone and then
58:02
you go to the next zone and you get it
58:03
on your first cow kill. You could do
58:05
that.
58:06
Because after 666, it can drop at any
58:08
time.
58:10
>> You just got to make sure you're going
58:10
to the area where you didn't get the the
58:12
the first drop. That's all.
58:14
>> Yes. It's But you may also have to kill
58:16
666 more cows to get your second one if
58:19
you're very unlucky.
58:20
>> They say that the very unlucky people
58:21
are the cuz if you do it on your main
58:23
character,
58:24
uh the the there's a whole Discord for
58:26
this, by the way, friends.
58:28
>> This is so old Diablo game.
58:30
>> Yeah, it is. It's very much
58:31
>> two arguing about exactly how many cows
58:33
you have to kill.
58:34
>> Yes.
58:36
That's That's why I like this. Um this
58:38
the the the tongue-in-cheek nods to it.
58:41
Um I think the longest length of time is
58:43
it took people an additional like 400
58:45
cows.
58:46
Which
58:48
it doesn't sound as bad when you go that
58:50
way, but it can potentially be longer
58:52
than that. Regardless, I do again, I
58:54
don't want to go fully into the the
58:56
guides are really really involved. Um
58:59
but it's just a It's such a a It's a
59:00
love letter to Diablo. And this has made
59:03
me fall in love with Diablo 4 again even
59:07
more than the current expansion has.
59:09
Where I've actually been playing a lot
59:11
of it because of stuff like this,
59:12
because it's now making me wonder what
59:14
else they've put in and what other
59:15
references they're hiding. And has
59:17
finally made me come to terms with the
59:20
fact that this is a yearly cycle or
59:24
however a game. Diablo 4 is going to be
59:28
uh the D&D 5.5 essentially of the Diablo
59:31
franchise. It's going to go forever
59:34
as long as people keep playing it and
59:36
I'm actually okay with that now because
59:38
of stuff like this. This is really cool.
59:41
>> The rollout of this has reminded me in
59:43
pace and tenor of a wild secret.
59:45
>> Yes.
59:46
>> Which is why I was I've often joked that
59:48
the Diablo 4 team is locked in a
59:49
basement and not allowed to ever talk to
59:50
the Diablo 3 team.
59:52
>> Exactly.
59:52
>> But I think maybe they're allowed to
59:53
talk to the wild secrets guys
59:56
cuz that's what this reminds me of.
59:57
>> Yeah.
59:58
>> This is this I also really enjoy that
1:00:01
that person who went on Reddit and
1:00:03
posted an image of Scosglen's map and
1:00:05
said, "Hey, doesn't the right side of
1:00:06
Scosglen look like a cow head?" was
1:00:09
right.
1:00:10
>> Yeah.
1:00:13
>> Also, I'm going to say like this isn't
1:00:15
the only thing they've done like it's
1:00:17
the most involved.
1:00:19
>> Yes.
1:00:19
>> But I mean I stumbled across one that I
1:00:22
stumbled across before it was even
1:00:24
announced. A character who's been in the
1:00:27
lore from the beginning yeah, never been
1:00:29
in a
1:00:30
in a game shows up.
1:00:32
>> Yeah, Matt and I were just talking about
1:00:33
this and it's it's
1:00:35
>> just shows up.
1:00:36
>> Yeah.
1:00:36
>> Doesn't even like there's no there's not
1:00:38
part of the main story. It's you're
1:00:40
doing a quest that seems pretty
1:00:42
this is just a you know, it's just a fun
1:00:44
little quest to do.
1:00:46
Um I think it's even after the like
1:00:48
after the end of Lord of Hatred.
1:00:51
You can't do it before it. I think it's
1:00:52
after.
1:00:53
>> It's only in the end game, yeah.
1:00:54
>> Yeah. So this is just one of those
1:00:56
things where if you run around and doing
1:00:58
stuff, boom, this happens and I'm like
1:01:01
what?
1:01:02
>> Yeah, that but that's exactly it, right?
1:01:03
Like this is this is so much more than
1:01:06
when we were playing Diablo 3 and you
1:01:08
saw the the camp from Diablo 2.
1:01:11
Um like that was a nice little touch but
1:01:14
it wasn't quite as as deep as this. Like
1:01:16
it it it proves to me beyond a shadow of
1:01:19
a doubt that the people working on this
1:01:20
game
1:01:21
care. That they they legitimately are
1:01:24
invested in you know, pouring care into
1:01:28
the game. I understand that that may be
1:01:29
a weird thing to say and that like I'm
1:01:31
not trying to say that I didn't think
1:01:32
they did beforehand, but it is tangible
1:01:34
evidence of of just their love and care
1:01:38
of this franchise and I am here for
1:01:41
that. I'm I'm actually excited to see
1:01:43
where we go from here as a
1:01:44
>> It also feels like they have a sense of
1:01:45
humor.
1:01:46
>> Yes.
1:01:46
>> Which sometimes Because you need that in
1:01:48
Diablo.
1:01:50
>> You need that.
1:01:51
>> You have to have a sense of humor to add
1:01:53
a cow level. If you didn't have a sense
1:01:54
of humor, you wouldn't have gotten here.
1:01:57
>> Well, I think but you know, you know,
1:01:58
we've talked about this before, Liz.
1:01:59
Like you and I were talking about the
1:02:00
how the storytelling in the game works
1:02:02
and it's I think this expansion the main
1:02:04
story still has that element of like
1:02:07
breakneck, almost apocalyptic doom to
1:02:11
it. Like it feels
1:02:12
>> Oh, yeah.
1:02:13
>> everything is awful, everything is bad,
1:02:14
but then you find out there's a cow
1:02:17
level. And it's like, you know,
1:02:18
everything is bad, but still there's a
1:02:19
cow level. Like I I feel like I can keep
1:02:22
going because there's a cow level.
1:02:24
>> Everything everything is still pretty
1:02:26
bad. And it's still really really so
1:02:30
bad.
1:02:31
>> But hey, there's a goblin level with a
1:02:32
cow statue.
1:02:33
>> Yeah, I I know that's not a secret, but
1:02:35
it's still hilarious to see the big cow
1:02:37
statue. It's like they're trying to
1:02:38
trick you into thinking this is the cow
1:02:40
level.
1:02:41
And then like, no, no.
1:02:43
There's there's no other cow level. This
1:02:45
is the cow level.
1:02:46
>> No, this is the goblin level. This is
1:02:47
This is just the goblin level. It's very
1:02:49
straightforward.
1:02:50
>> But yeah, I just I just wanted to
1:02:51
mention it because it is a fun thing. I
1:02:52
I got there today and I was like, oh,
1:02:54
wow. This is like the thing in D3, but
1:02:57
it's also like just it's like they're
1:02:59
trying to trick you into thinking it's a
1:03:00
cow level.
1:03:02
>> We should note that this is you get here
1:03:03
by doing war plans and you level through
1:03:08
the war plan advancement tree and
1:03:10
there's a place where goblins have a
1:03:11
chance to open a portal to
1:03:14
a
1:03:15
weird treasure place. You special
1:03:17
treasure place.
1:03:18
>> It's actually funny to to get it set up.
1:03:20
You have to take very specific nightmare
1:03:24
dungeon talents on the talent tree
1:03:26
thing. Which by the way is way better
1:03:27
than I thought it was going to be. I'm
1:03:29
actually enjoying
1:03:30
>> is.
1:03:30
>> Uh but at this point guys, we have been
1:03:32
doing this for a while and really
1:03:34
probably have to stop. Uh so
1:03:37
>> I guess.
1:03:38
>> Yeah. Otherwise, we're just going to be
1:03:40
sitting here talking about Diablo and
1:03:41
that means I'm not playing it.
1:03:42
>> No, cuz I've got a real problem.
1:03:44
>> Cuz I've got I've got to do stuff in
1:03:45
Diablo and then I've got another game
1:03:46
that's going to suck up a lot of my
1:03:47
time. So, you know.
1:03:49
>> Yeah. So,
1:03:50
All right, everyone.
1:03:51
>> to go find the cow level.
1:03:52
>> Yes, you do.
1:03:53
>> And that's going to take a while.
1:03:54
>> Oh, yeah.
1:03:55
>> going to take a while.
1:03:56
>> I I thought I read that thing I think
1:03:59
just before I saw that Joe had posted it
1:04:02
and I was like, oh god, now I have to do
1:04:04
this.
1:04:05
>> And it's a it's it's a it's a task. It's
1:04:08
a task that's
1:04:09
>> quite quite long.
1:04:11
>> But you got you got time.
1:04:12
>> All right. Well, thank you guys. Thank
1:04:14
you to to Phil for being here with us
1:04:16
and and allowing us to ramble on about
1:04:18
things and and helping by pointing out
1:04:20
that that two thing that Joe wanted to
1:04:22
talk about. You guys got to fight later.
1:04:26
>> We got to coordinate these things better
1:04:27
next time.
1:04:28
Thank you.
1:04:28
>> Oh, you did that on purpose. There's no
1:04:30
way I did.
1:04:33
>> But anyway, also thank you thank you to
1:04:35
Joe for many many things but especially
1:04:37
for finding that cow level for us.
1:04:39
Thank you to Liz for being willing and
1:04:41
able to explain exactly what was going
1:04:44
on with that microtransaction in in uh
1:04:48
Hearthstone because I I I've I'm I
1:04:50
literally cannot look at them. And thank
1:04:52
you to me for being able to be here when
1:04:54
I've got Diablo 4 and I just started a
1:04:56
Stardew Valley play through. And I have
1:04:58
an idea for a Diablo 4 zone that's
1:05:00
basically just Stardew Valley.
1:05:02
Uh cuz that would Why not? Why not just
1:05:05
just put put it right in there. Just
1:05:07
hook it into my veins. Why should I ever
1:05:09
get up again? Uh this has been the
1:05:11
Blizzard Watch podcast. Thank you so
1:05:13
much to everybody for being here and
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