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As we begin the March of Quel'Danas this week, we also noted that there seems to be a whole lot of side quests to set the stage for the new raid and its counterpart in Harandar, The Dreamrift. There are also a slew of campaign quests paced in time with the raids, so we discuss how that pacing has felt.
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0:10
Hello and welcome to the Blizzard Watch
0:12
podcast. I'm Matt. I'm hosting this
0:14
week, uh, as I do every week that I can
0:17
actually do. So, um, with me this week
0:19
are my two fantastic, and I said
0:21
fantastic again, I wanted to say
0:22
uncanny. Why don't I remember? Uh,
0:25
co-hosts Liz Harour, who is the
0:27
editor-in chief of the site, and overall
0:29
Grand Huba. I love the words Grand Huba.
0:32
I think I got them from a Flintstones
0:33
episode.
0:34
>> That was the the leader of the Order of
0:36
Water Buffaloos that uh Fred and Barney
0:39
belonged to. The Grand Huba.
0:41
>> Yeah. And also Joe Perez, who I would
0:44
call him our ombbudsman, I guess.
0:47
>> Sure, I'll take that.
0:48
>> Yeah, I'm gonna go with I'll go withman
0:49
this week. I I wanted to call you
0:51
dinosaur lord, but then I thought then
0:52
we'd, you know, we don't really have
0:54
enough dinosaur news to make it that
0:55
happen. So, I'm holding on to dinosaur
0:58
lord for you.
0:58
>> Also, I think I would prefer to become
1:00
lord of the red pandas if anything.
1:03
>> An adorable evil army.
1:05
>> Red pandas, dude. I've I've spent a lot
1:07
of time in the local zoo with them. They
1:09
don't have a lord. They are ruthlessly
1:12
anarchistic. There is no lord of the
1:14
>> I know. And I love them. So, your wife
1:17
your wife and I actually had very long
1:19
conversations about them. many many
1:20
years ago.
1:21
>> Yes, the red pandas, they they have no
1:24
king. They they bow to no one. The
1:27
closest they've got to that is one red
1:29
panda who's like, "Guys, guys, guys,
1:32
let's throw stuff at that." And then
1:34
they're all like, "He's telling us what
1:35
to do, but I do want to throw stuff at
1:37
it." All right, this one time. Anyway,
1:40
though, while we're while we're talking
1:42
about that, uh fair amount of news for
1:44
World of Warcraft this week, and so
1:46
Blizzard, this is Blizzard watch me talk
1:48
about Blizzard as games. World of
1:49
Warcraft as one of his games. Midnight
1:51
came out this month. That's almost over
1:52
as I'm speaking. Um, so yeah, let Yeah,
1:57
I know. Don't Don't think too much time.
1:59
>> The year is year is 1/4 over.
2:02
>> This month has been an entire year long.
2:04
I'm What?
2:05
>> Yeah.
2:07
Ah. Anyway,
2:08
>> rather than than focus on the heat death
2:11
of the universe that's taking place in
2:12
our lives, um the Queldonas, March of
2:16
Quelonas, is that called March on
2:18
Quelonas?
2:18
>> March on Quelding. Yeah,
2:21
>> that raid is now live uh in normal and
2:23
heroic and mythic, which is
2:26
>> cool. Um LFR and story modes next week
2:30
and void spire is now also open in all
2:33
difficulties. Um, that's LFR week. LFR,
2:36
too.
2:37
>> Uh, all three wings of LFR are now open.
2:39
So, yeah, the final final void spires
2:42
are available. So, we have almost all of
2:46
Midnight Season 1 is now available.
2:49
>> Yeah. And, uh, you asked a question here
2:52
that I think is a really good one, so I
2:53
want to talk about it. Um, how do we
2:55
feel about the weekly campaign uh,
2:58
quests that are coming out alongside
3:00
these raid release? Uh, the raid
3:02
certainly feels like it's been time
3:04
gated to fit the story, but you know, I
3:06
don't want to do any spoilers and you've
3:08
said here not spoilers. So, that's
3:09
useful when you have me on the show
3:11
because I will just sit there and I will
3:13
just dump out this game I've been
3:15
playing that just came out and I'll be
3:16
like, "Oh, I'm sorry."
3:18
>> It's it's pretty exciting. The games are
3:20
exciting to play, so it's exciting to
3:21
talk about them. But yeah, I not
3:24
everyone's played these quests. Oh, you
3:25
know,
3:26
>> I will say this much. I haven't gotten a
3:28
chance to do a lot in WoW due to
3:30
physical limitations that I don't think
3:33
anyone wants to hear about. But I will
3:34
say that I love the idea of like having
3:38
weekly quests with camp with campaign
3:40
stuff for the raids. I think that's a
3:43
really good idea. I like I like the idea
3:45
of providing a story through the quests
3:49
that's involved in the raid that you're
3:51
doing. Um I
3:52
>> So I'm happy about that.
3:53
>> I'll let Liz answer before I do because
3:55
I've got a long-winded answer.
3:57
So, I do think it's been interesting. I
4:00
don't think it's been perfect, but uh
4:04
you know, one in life is perfect. Um but
4:07
yes, I mean this raid tier, more than a
4:10
lot of raid tiers, has been heavily
4:13
heavily tied into the story. So, we've
4:15
got two raids that were initially
4:18
released, uh Dream Rift and Void Spire.
4:20
Dream Rift, I got to say, Dream Rift
4:23
feels a little weird. It's a one boss
4:25
raid and it's just kind of there. It
4:28
exists and it does not feel like it has
4:30
any significant ties to anything.
4:31
Obviously, it's a Herender thing,
4:34
>> but it's well yet or maybe in the past,
4:38
but it doesn't feel like it has any
4:40
tight story ties. It's just kind of
4:42
there, which feels uh it just feels odd
4:46
when you're in this tier that is so
4:48
heavily story driven. So, you have void
4:50
spire, which is you do all of your
4:53
you're you're leveling through midnight.
4:54
You do all the zones. You end in
4:56
voidstorm because you can't get into
4:59
voidtorm until you're level 87 maybe.
5:03
You've got to be pretty high up there
5:04
before you can unlock voidstorm. And
5:06
then you go into voidstorm, you're
5:08
taking the fight to Zalot. You've played
5:10
through the campaign right up to right
5:13
up to invading the raid. And you're
5:15
you're playing through voidstorm. And
5:17
while you are doing that, you have a
5:19
weekly campaign story quest which uh
5:23
tells stories alongside going into the
5:25
raid.
5:27
Some of that has and now we're in week
5:31
three. I think we're in week three. Um
5:34
and now you've gotten to the point where
5:36
narratively
5:38
you've finished Void Spire and you're
5:41
moving on to March on Quelding. So the
5:44
weekly quest starting today will lead
5:47
you in towards invading uh not Quelas,
5:52
Quelton. um is so this week's story
5:54
quest will lead you into the raid and I
5:58
think I think that's a nice a nice thing
6:00
where the this is all essentially tied
6:02
into the story and Blizzard of course
6:04
rolled out story mode last expansion
6:06
which has helped it do this and make
6:09
these raids that are highly narrative
6:11
and really tied into the story because
6:15
anyone can go in. You don't have to be
6:17
able to do LFR. You don't have to be
6:19
interested in doing any of that. you can
6:20
go in in story mode and just kind of
6:23
catch catch the highlight reel, do the
6:25
dramatic boss fight, and get the
6:28
narrative. I did, but I also feel like
6:31
it's been a little awkward. Having the
6:33
raids timegated like this has been a
6:35
little awkward. Um, and I think the
6:38
storytelling inside the raid itself has
6:41
not been very good. Like, um, I mean,
6:44
you know, and it's it's a raid. It
6:46
doesn't have to have a story. It doesn't
6:47
have to have a good story, but I feel
6:50
like I feel like there's a story there
6:53
hiding. And it's just the raid has not
6:56
been a great way to tell it. Like
6:58
there's a point where you get to the uh
7:00
light blinded paladins. And if you
7:03
played everything up to this point, you
7:05
understand that this is what's happened.
7:07
That they're overcome by the light and
7:10
now they're and now they're going to
7:12
fight you. This is like an if you're not
7:14
with us, you're against us sort of
7:16
thing. And but the raid itself, it's
7:19
just kind of suddenly paladins. So we've
7:22
been fighting void creatures, now we're
7:23
fighting paladins. And the final fight,
7:26
Crown of the Cosmos, feels kind of the
7:28
same way. It's like we're going through
7:29
the raid and now all of a sudden we're
7:31
fighting Yria. It's like, oh, I can in
7:33
my head imagine how we got to this
7:36
point, but I do not see that in the
7:41
raid. And I I feel like while playing
7:44
through this, I was like I felt like I'd
7:46
missed a cinematic or a story quest
7:49
because it just felt like it jumped to
7:52
this without any there wasn't a little
7:54
cinematic. There wasn't, you know,
7:56
in-game text that kind of said, "Oh, now
7:58
this is happening." It just kind of it
8:01
happened and then and then you kill
8:03
everyone. You move on. So,
8:07
I don't know. I I think it's a good
8:08
idea. I think it's it's it's felt a
8:11
little a little a little awkward, a
8:12
little rough around the edges. I think
8:14
some of the best raids the best raid
8:16
storytelling Blizzard has ever done was
8:18
in Battle for Azeroth with the Zaralore
8:22
raid and that had you know it had a
8:24
story you switched factions halfway
8:26
through so you could see kind of both
8:28
sides of the narrative and it had a
8:30
voiceover thread that sort of led you
8:32
from one ch from one boss to the other
8:35
which was really it was great for
8:37
storytelling. I think that's the best
8:38
Blizzard has ever done it. Not that
8:40
every raid has to be like that, but we
8:42
have seen raids that have had and
8:44
dungeons that have had really fantastic
8:46
stories told while you're playing them.
8:49
And I I look at Void Spire and I see
8:51
something that aspires to tell a story
8:54
and is very close to being there, but
8:57
kind of didn't didn't quite get the last
8:59
leap. So, I think conceptually good,
9:02
maybe the execution is not perfect, but
9:04
also not every most people are not
9:08
playing a raid for the story and
9:10
possibly my expectations, our hopes are
9:13
just too high.
9:14
>> I
9:16
both enjoy it and hate it at the same
9:19
time. Um, so there's a myriad of
9:21
reasons. one. I don't mind when a raid
9:24
takes place in multiple different
9:26
sections or you have to go to multiple
9:29
different locations. I think that can be
9:31
very interesting depending on what type
9:33
of story you are trying to tell. And in
9:36
this particular case, it would make
9:38
sense for two of the three places we are
9:41
going. The story is I would say probably
9:46
the weakest part of the raids right now.
9:49
um which frustrates me to a very very
9:52
large extent.
9:53
>> Um so I guess let's start with with what
9:58
we're we have here. We have three
10:00
sections with no story leading into the
10:04
dream rift aside from the questing. If
10:06
you did the heron art quest lines and if
10:09
you did all of the side quests and all
10:12
the other quests in the area then you
10:14
have an idea of what's going on. But as
10:18
this is a Oh, go ahead.
10:20
>> I just want to jump in here and say
10:21
there are a lot of side quests. It feels
10:23
like this expansion is very heavy on
10:25
side quests. So if you're doing those
10:27
Sojourer achievements, that is a pretty
10:30
big commitment. And I mean, I think all
10:32
the side quests have been really great
10:33
and interesting, but that's that's a lot
10:35
of quests.
10:36
>> Now, the other side of that is is that
10:40
this is an MMO. it is entirely possible
10:43
to do the main quest only and ignore
10:46
every side quest to get to maximum level
10:49
and so tying like so like most people
10:53
are not going to know why we're there
10:55
and also this is something I've been
10:57
saying for a while it feels like a rate
10:58
out of place it's cool
11:01
>> the story of the heron ear is really
11:02
really cool I like what's going on there
11:05
I like the implications of it I like
11:07
what it tells us about world trees and
11:09
what it's inferring like It's really
11:12
cool, but it feels like it was for last
11:13
expansion, not this one. Um,
11:16
>> and that raid being kind of coupled with
11:19
the other two doesn't make sense because
11:21
that story doesn't tie into the other
11:23
two. Now you have the void spire and the
11:26
march on the void spire. Cool. Makes
11:30
sense. We're assaulting Zelatas place of
11:33
power. I get it. Cool. We're on weird
11:36
alien planet in the void story insert
11:39
here. Um, end result of this raid
11:42
directly leads into next raid. Cool.
11:45
Makes sense. The problem that I have
11:47
with it is that the timegating on that
11:51
then feels bad because you finish the
11:54
one, you are waiting for the other and
11:58
you can't go do it. And for our group in
12:01
particular, this became a problem. We
12:03
finished all of the raid that were
12:06
available last week on normal. We did
12:09
all of we did dream rift. We did all of
12:11
the void spire. And so we didn't have
12:15
the opportunity to go to the march on
12:17
culdenos and finish normals. Instead, we
12:20
started dipping our toes into heroics,
12:23
which from a mechanic standpoint, we're
12:27
not prepared. Half of our guild, like
12:30
we're we're not bad players, but not
12:32
everybody's optimized for heroics yet.
12:35
Not everybody has gear. A lot of people
12:37
are, you know, coming in late like and
12:39
people are arguing that it's really easy
12:40
to gear this expansion. It is, but also
12:44
have you been lucky because you like are
12:48
you like me and have 18 trinkets dropped
12:51
for you but not a pair of boots? Like uh
12:55
like little little tiny things like
12:56
that. And then the difference is I think
12:58
heroic and a lot of these fights are
13:00
tuned for set bonuses. damage output and
13:03
and DPS requirements seem like they are
13:06
really designed for do do you have two
13:08
and four piece
13:10
>> and guess what you're not going to have
13:11
in that first week two and four piece
13:13
unless you are
13:14
>> insanely lucky and like no and and you
13:18
know again it's just one of those things
13:20
so then you bang your head against
13:23
heroic for a while you make progress but
13:26
you don't feel like you're going to be
13:27
able to get there and so for us we
13:29
stopped on a Wednesday then Thursday
13:31
Friday Saturday, Sunday, people were
13:34
gearing up and getting themselves into
13:36
other content to prepare for the only
13:39
other content that was available for our
13:40
raid on Monday, which was heroic. And we
13:43
did manage to down a couple like, you
13:44
know, we we we did good. We got we got
13:47
pretty far as far as I'm concerned for a
13:50
first week,
13:51
>> but it still felt bad because we
13:53
couldn't just go and do the other
13:57
normals. Um
13:59
>> I mean, we we need more gear. That's
14:01
what it comes down to. And uh
14:03
>> and we're not the only ones in that
14:04
situation. But and again, going back to
14:06
the time gating thing, timegating the
14:08
content to align with the story sounds
14:11
cool on paper. The people who care about
14:13
story aren't going to care when that
14:15
story releases as long as they get the
14:16
story.
14:18
>> In my opinion, so I I think it was like
14:21
you said, cool. It sounded cool.
14:23
Execution leads something to be desired.
14:26
And then I'm not going to do spoilers
14:29
here, but oh man, do I want to rant
14:31
about stuff because
14:34
again, one of the things I think is
14:37
makes it feel worse right now too is the
14:39
payoff for the waiting, at least in the
14:41
raid content for the story in there does
14:44
not meet my expectations, and that's
14:46
saying something.
14:47
>> Um, but that said, the campaign stories
14:50
have all been good. The ones that lead
14:52
up into it have been fine. Um, they
14:55
break the world. Uh, they make it so
14:57
that you can't turn in quests. Uh, even
15:00
after the reset. Um, so I just have a
15:02
quest I'm never going to be able to turn
15:03
in again. Thanks. Um, like again, to me,
15:08
poorly executed, but yeah, that's where
15:10
we're at. That's how I feel about it.
15:12
>> I will say, and there no spoilers here,
15:14
but one of the things I like about Dream
15:16
Rift is what it implies.
15:19
>> Yeah, agreed.
15:20
>> In those in those quests. So, I I do
15:23
think there's an interesting
15:24
storytelling happening. Uh I again don't
15:26
know much about anything outside of
15:28
Harinar, but I I I'm listening to what
15:32
you guys are saying and thinking about
15:33
it. I don't have like a here's my
15:36
reputation. I'm I'm thinking about it.
15:38
Um Liz or Joe, you guys have anything
15:40
else to say about this before we move
15:41
on?
15:42
>> No, I mean, we should probably get back
15:43
to talking about the march and and the
15:44
other stuff, I think. Right.
15:46
>> Well, I mean, you guys have been in that
15:48
raid, right? Or have you not done it
15:49
yet? No, it just released today and we
15:51
rate tomorrow.
15:52
>> All right. So, going into it, what are
15:56
you thinking you're you're going to
15:58
approach it? How you do you guys like
16:00
know what you want to do there? Like,
16:02
talk about it.
16:03
>> It's it's a short raid. It's a two boss
16:06
raid. And one of the things I would say
16:09
our raid group in the first week, we
16:11
don't usually have all of normal
16:13
cleared. you know, we may be working
16:15
towards it, but clearing all of normal
16:17
in the very first week, they it just
16:20
feels
16:21
very fast.
16:23
>> And watching the race to world first,
16:26
that's been the same thing. Bosses have
16:29
fallen really fast. Uh only uh the
16:33
paladin pals uh they have a name. I
16:37
can't remember it. Um it took, you know,
16:40
50 something pulls for Liquid to kill
16:42
it. and the crown of the cosmos took 30
16:46
something pulls and that's for the last
16:49
boss in the available content. That's
16:52
kind of low. And now we're going into
16:56
and and all of the world first guilds,
16:59
they killed everything and then had to
17:01
wait. So like Liquid had something like
17:04
four days of no more mythic bosses
17:07
available to kill. And so did so did
17:11
Ekko and Method. A lot of people have
17:12
made a lot of progress in this raid
17:14
tier. And then the waiting. So it does
17:18
it it feels tuned maybe a little low,
17:21
but then we have two bosses that we
17:22
haven't seen much of. They I don't think
17:26
either of them were tested on the PTR.
17:28
You know, they've been kind of kept kind
17:31
of quiet because they're your final
17:32
bosses of the tier. And um so two bosses
17:37
um we've got Bellerin and Midnight
17:40
Falls, which is Lura. And uh we don't
17:44
know a lot about them. Lura in
17:46
particular looks kind of complicated.
17:49
I'm I'm not looking forward to this like
17:52
memory puzzle mechanic, which is a
17:56
series of runes. I think it's four or
17:57
five runes flash up. Yep.
17:59
>> And you have to and then runes will
18:02
appear over players heads. Those players
18:04
have to line up in the order that they
18:08
were splashed up and then a beam will
18:10
come through the raid and it has to hit
18:13
them in the correct order. So, it's this
18:15
little memory coordination game which
18:19
it's interesting. I'm not looking
18:23
forward to it. Uh but, you know, after
18:27
after kind of a quick raid tier so far,
18:29
maybe maybe this will be the one that
18:31
stops everyone. Maybe uh because it's it
18:34
actually took a lot of work even to kill
18:36
on heroic for guilt. So I these look
18:40
like a couple of interesting fights.
18:42
They look like particularly Lura seems
18:44
to be a very this is going to be another
18:46
raid that has big narrative implications
18:49
which is why I think it's particularly
18:51
interesting. But uh Lura does look like
18:54
a complicated fight where we're going to
18:57
have to put in some work and play a
19:00
little memory game.
19:01
>> That's and
19:02
>> that that feels like it's going to get
19:04
hard around, you know, midnight when
19:06
you're when you're running out of steam
19:08
and it's like, okay, did the triangle
19:10
come first or did the tea come first? I
19:13
don't
19:13
>> I
19:14
>> I hope someone took notes.
19:15
>> I I'd like to I'd like to jump in and
19:17
just say that one thing I and I think
19:18
this feeds in with something that we're
19:19
going to be talking about as another
19:20
bullet point in the season 1. I think
19:24
normal is tuned very low, honestly,
19:27
right now. And I think that they did
19:30
this consciously. I think it was a
19:33
choice, not knowing how the rebalancing
19:36
was going to work and the removal of
19:39
add-ons. Uh, and a lot of them seem like
19:42
they were designed with an overabundance
19:44
of caution, which then simplified a lot
19:47
of the encounters to a point where some
19:50
of them are are, I want to say, weirdly
19:53
forgetful. Um, some of them are if
19:56
you're a tank, you got work to do. If
19:59
you're anybody else, uh, just hit
20:01
things. Um, like it it's far less
20:05
complicated. And this is a good thing
20:07
overall, but that also means that they I
20:09
think they tuned the damage a little bit
20:11
lower. They tuned the hit points for the
20:14
bosses a little bit lower. And like
20:16
there's no at no point in any of the
20:19
normal encounters have I felt on the
20:22
back foot. And even when a new content
20:25
patch releases released before this,
20:28
>> even in normals, I felt that I was
20:30
learning or that there was, you know,
20:32
still gotchas and I still had to be on
20:34
my toes. This doesn't have that. And
20:36
again, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
20:38
It's just something to note
20:40
where like you're talking about Lura is
20:42
going to be, you know, have these
20:45
complicated things from people that I
20:47
know that have or they're in raid right
20:50
now and I've been getting messages back
20:52
and forth with them. Um, it's relatively
20:56
forgiving. And
20:58
>> so now when you get to heroic that
21:00
changes everything amps and and again I
21:03
think that things are are uh designed
21:06
with like your four pieces in mind
21:08
primarily.
21:09
>> Yeah.
21:10
>> But like on normals I I think it's it's
21:13
it's not like it used to be. So it's
21:14
it's a it's a wildly different ballgame
21:16
as far as like what raids feel like. And
21:18
I think that also extends, I'm not
21:19
trying to segue into this, but I think
21:21
it it butts up against us really well
21:23
with the Midnight Season one mythic
21:25
dungeons as well because even though we
21:28
have a bunch of like old dungeons coming
21:30
back, like I mean Majesters's Terrace is
21:33
new, let's be honest. It's not an old
21:34
it's not the old Magister's Terrace at
21:36
any by any capacity. Um, but like we're
21:39
going back to Sea of the Triumant and uh
21:43
like we're going back to Sky Reach and
21:46
uh I forgot what the the last one is
21:48
that we go back to. There's a fourth one
21:49
in the
21:50
>> Pit of Suron.
21:50
>> Thank you. Pituron. Um they're all
21:53
different. Like the the Sky Reach is the
21:55
closest to its original original form.
21:58
Pituron has been altered, but they don't
22:01
feel like the hellscapes that they were
22:04
before. or like Pitison was a nightmare
22:06
dungeon for me as a healer. There were
22:08
pulls in that place that would make me
22:10
want to like rage and quit. Um those are
22:14
all gone now. I didn't There's no
22:15
pressure. Um it and Frick are completely
22:19
uh redone. Like the fight is completely
22:21
different now. Um the last boss,
22:24
Tyrannis, is completely different now uh
22:26
with completely different mechanics, but
22:27
nothing feels overly difficult. And I
22:30
remember the first week that keys were
22:32
available, I was in blues healing like
22:35
nines and tens with ease. And
22:38
>> I I'm not saying that I'm a bad player.
22:41
I'm not saying I'm the best player in
22:42
the world. I'm a decent player, but I
22:45
should feel some pressure. And I think
22:47
again, yeah,
22:48
>> they undertuned this season because of
22:51
the lack of add-ons, because of the big
22:54
sweeping changes they've made, because
22:56
of everything they've crammed into the
22:58
UI and into the game systems, and
23:01
they're trying to see how far they can
23:02
push things safely without completely
23:05
alienating everybody from the content.
23:07
So, like everything feels a little
23:09
easier right now. Also, gear kind of
23:11
falls from the sky. Um, like it's maybe
23:15
not necessarily the best gear for you,
23:18
but getting to 250 was way easier than I
23:22
expected. Like getting geared and ready
23:24
for a raid was way easier this time
23:28
around than I think it's ever been in
23:30
any expansion prior or any raid content
23:33
prior to this. So like everything just
23:36
seems like they're they're trying to get
23:37
players into the content specifically to
23:40
see how far they can push it back up.
23:41
And uh another thing they've done this
23:44
expansion is they've simplified a lot of
23:46
specs.
23:47
>> Oh yeah.
23:47
>> So I think that's had that's had an
23:50
impact on making maybe content feel
23:53
easier because the specs are easier.
23:55
It's not as difficult to hit that top
23:58
tier play for a lot of specs. Not
24:00
necessarily all specs, but some have
24:03
been simplified. Some have been
24:04
simplified to a really significant
24:06
degree. Um,
24:08
yeah, this does feel kind of like an
24:10
experimental tier because Blizzard is
24:14
they've set a new normal and they don't
24:16
know how that new normal is going to
24:17
work out yet because this has been some
24:20
vast changes to add-ons and just how you
24:22
how you play. But the other thing is
24:25
there have been vast changes to add-ons
24:28
and also in the end I don't know how
24:31
impactful those changes were. I don't
24:34
feel as far behind as I felt I would.
24:37
And of course, even in the past month,
24:40
add-on developers have put a lot of work
24:42
in to develop new tools and different
24:43
tools, but a lot of this is working out
24:48
about the way it was before. It's not
24:49
perfect. It's not as good as it was
24:51
before. Our tool set is not as strong.
24:54
It's particularly feels like raid
24:56
tanking is more complicated, requires
24:58
more coordination. Um,
25:00
>> Phil was talking about that last week,
25:01
but I mean like I think some tanks are
25:03
enjoying that because they actually have
25:04
to like
25:05
>> talk with each other now versus just
25:07
push button when DBM screams at you.
25:09
>> Meanwhile, I'm thinking, "Thank God I'm
25:10
not tanking right now."
25:13
>> I And I mean, healing certainly seems
25:15
more complicated. Frankly, I'm glad I'm
25:16
not healing this tier because it just
25:18
sounds
25:19
>> I don't
25:19
>> It just sounds like Yeah, I mean the
25:21
debuff tracking sounds really
25:23
frustrating.
25:25
uh kind of the lack of granularity on
25:28
your unit frames, which you know, I had
25:30
my unit frames really fine-tuned for
25:33
healing. It would show the things that
25:34
were important to me. It would show them
25:35
in specific places. It would show them
25:37
in specific sizes. So, I knew who had
25:40
who had hots, who had shields, who had
25:42
the things that matter to me. So,
25:45
>> well, like
25:46
>> and that feels rough, but I am not I'm
25:48
not healing. You think it's doing okay?
25:50
>> I think it's fine, actually. And I think
25:52
uh part of it is I'm trying to think how
25:54
to phrase this without sounding like a
25:56
monster.
25:57
There are a lot of healers or people
26:00
that fell into the healing role that
26:02
were very used to add-ons like Voodoo
26:05
where you can configure it to do a lot
26:08
for you without having to do extra
26:10
steps.
26:11
>> Um
26:12
>> see I I I hated Voodoo. It made me
26:15
crazy.
26:15
>> I did too. So you you aren't on the same
26:17
wavelength, but I know a ton of people
26:18
that swore by it. And I'm not saying
26:20
it's a bad thing that they did,
26:21
>> but it's a completely different play
26:23
style. And now, like for for those of us
26:26
like I've been using Grid since 2006.
26:30
>> Like that's when it first released and I
26:32
and that's when I I first started using
26:34
it.
26:35
>> Um, and version 1.0
26:38
did ex almost it showed me almost the
26:40
exact same stuff that it's showing me
26:41
right now. So, I'm used to it. And so
26:43
like for me, I'm fine, but I know other
26:46
people are struggling with it because
26:48
they're they're getting used to the
26:49
add-ons.
26:49
>> Mine just shows me does it have
26:51
something I can clear on somebody or
26:52
not. It's a little dot. That's all I
26:53
care about. I don't care what it is.
26:55
>> And then if I know the fight and I'm
26:57
being in we're it's communicating like
27:00
um what's this? What the the twin
27:02
dragons in void spire? There's a debuff
27:04
you don't want to clear,
27:05
>> right? Uh you want to let it go until
27:07
it's time to to remove. It's a healing
27:10
debuff. No, it's the paladins. Excuse
27:11
me. It's a healing debuff. if you want
27:13
to heal through cuz it's otherwise it's
27:14
just going to jump around and
27:16
>> there's nothing else to clear at the
27:18
same time that that's available. So as
27:20
long as uh me as a healer I know that
27:24
when this boss is active it doesn't do
27:26
anything that I need to worry about. I
27:28
don't push the button. Then when it gets
27:29
to the other one that does do stuff that
27:32
I need to worry about. I push the button
27:34
and it's fine. Um nothing really much
27:37
else has changed. I think the biggest
27:39
problem for me, and I think if Rosa were
27:43
here, Rosa would probably agree. Um, I
27:47
am, and Matt and I talked about this
27:48
last week, and and and when Phil was
27:50
here, we talked about it too. I'm so
27:52
used to tracking everybody's cool downs,
27:55
and I do mean literally everybody. And
27:57
Liz, you've been in raids with me where
27:59
I'm calling like I'm calling for DPS's
28:01
cool downs and mitigation and stuff like
28:03
that.
28:03
>> Um, because I know what's available and
28:05
I see what's available for me. So now
28:07
that the the hardest thing that healers
28:08
are contending with right now is
28:10
stepping on each other's toes. Like my
28:13
healing cooldowns are very visually
28:16
apparent. If I throw down a spirit
28:18
totem, you know damn well I've dropped a
28:20
spirit link totem. If I turn into a
28:21
giant raging uh elemental, I've you know
28:25
I've turned into a giant raging
28:26
elemental.
28:27
>> I have no idea when they use tranquility
28:28
as the druids. I have no bloody idea,
28:31
right? I can't see it anymore. I can't
28:32
see when um with Omni's healing. can't
28:35
see when the the monk cool downs are
28:38
being used because there's no visual
28:40
difference for them and that makes it
28:41
hard. So now we have to coordinate in
28:43
the same way the tanks do which again as
28:45
somebody who raided in Burning Crusade
28:47
as a healer and vanilla as a healer not
28:49
that big of a deal but I can understand
28:51
why people are struggling with it who
28:53
have never had to do that. Mhm. Yeah, we
28:56
just have to it's a learning experience
28:58
for everyone and I think it's a learning
28:59
experience for Blizzard too as we find
29:02
out how things are tuned and uh so by
29:04
the time by the time this podcast is
29:06
released the race to world first maybe
29:09
already over but right now today I'm
29:11
wondering you know how how is Lura going
29:14
to be tuned? Is this going to be an end
29:17
boss on the scale of other end bosses
29:20
that's going to take a few hundred
29:21
pulls? I don't know.
29:22
>> Yeah. I mean, if you go by what you guys
29:24
have just said, uh, I would not expect
29:26
it to be. I find myself wondering if
29:28
they're deliberately making it easy, not
29:30
just because of all the changes,
29:32
>> but because this is the opening salvo
29:36
>> and they might want to make it faster to
29:39
progress through. I'm I'm not sure why
29:41
though.
29:41
>> Even for even for a first raid, I mean,
29:43
yeah, they are usually easier, but this
29:46
feels extra easy. And may maybe the
29:49
easiness of getting gear is part of
29:51
that, but I agree with what something
29:52
Joe said earlier, which is that a lot of
29:54
content is tuned around you having a
29:57
four-piece bonus. Um, which is kind of
30:01
it's it's a lot of luck to get a four
30:02
piece bonus this early. I have a
30:05
two-piece bonus and that's that's it.
30:07
That's all she wrote until I get some
30:08
drops.
30:09
>> Because you don't want to waste your
30:10
catalyst stuff either until you have
30:12
good pieces, right? So like if you if
30:14
you have an adventure piece, you don't
30:15
want to catalyze it, right? You can't
30:18
catalyze an adventure piece. You want to
30:20
ask me how I know? It's cuz all last
30:21
week all of my tier slots were
30:23
adventurer.
30:26
>> You can't even catalyze them.
30:27
>> Well, I mean, what is it? What is it?
30:29
It's adventurer, veteran, champion. So,
30:32
like you don't want you don't want to
30:33
catalyze veteran gear if you can avoid
30:34
it because you only like is it going to
30:37
be good or like are you just going to
30:38
replace it with another drop? That's
30:39
true. Right.
30:40
>> That's true. But I will say one thing
30:43
that Blizzard has done this tier, which
30:45
I think is good and is going to help
30:47
keep you from second-guessing yourself
30:49
on, oh, should I catalyze this? Should I
30:51
wait? Should I catalyze this? Is that
30:54
once you hit four piece, you will have
30:57
items drop for you that will give you a
31:00
catalyst charge. And apparently those
31:02
are quite common. So like
31:04
>> I literally got one before I got one
31:06
after work today. Like
31:08
>> so if you if you earn your fourpiece
31:10
then and you decide, oh no, I need to
31:13
catalyze. I got just got a higher eye
31:15
level drop and I want to catalyze it.
31:19
It's pretty easy to get extra catalyst
31:21
charges at that point. Personally, I
31:24
think that's going to be really great
31:26
for transmog.
31:27
>> I I think it's going to be really great
31:28
for transmog. I also think that it's
31:29
really good for not wasting gear. Um, so
31:33
one of the things that I know we
31:34
struggle with, and I'm sure other
31:36
raiders out there, if you're listening
31:37
to this, you've probably struggled with
31:38
this as well, is occasionally you'll get
31:40
stuff that drops that nobody wants, even
31:43
if it's a higher item level, because
31:45
either it's not the right stats or um
31:49
it's it's not exactly what they're
31:50
looking for, but it could be something
31:53
that they then catalyze and then, you
31:56
know, it becomes useful now. So now it's
31:59
something that
31:59
>> is not just going to go to waste. is not
32:01
just going to become an enchanting
32:02
shard. Um, and I think that's really
32:04
important, too, because I spent some
32:07
time over the weekend looking at every
32:09
class's best in slot tier list.
32:12
>> Um, I make a spreadsheet for Restoration
32:14
Shaman every every season because I'm a
32:16
monster. Um, and I need to do my own
32:19
math otherwise my brain will not accept
32:21
it. Um, but I was looking at like the
32:24
tier list for for you know the various
32:26
different ones and the thing that I
32:28
noticed is even off pieces almost every
32:31
single one of them with like one or two
32:34
slots exception for each class is
32:37
catalyzed. So like it is exceptionally
32:42
beneficial now on top of you know just
32:46
having more ways to catalyze. It's
32:49
beneficial for not being wasteful, for
32:51
gearing, for everything else.
32:53
Everybody's going to benefit from this.
32:54
And I think that's really neat. It's a
32:56
really good change. It's one that I hope
32:58
persists. This is probably, in my
33:00
opinion, one of the best rating changes
33:03
they've made in years, and I hope it
33:06
stays. Um, another thing they've done to
33:08
make it feel kind of less wasteful as
33:11
far as gear is, you know, if you're
33:13
doing gear upgrades, it has this kind of
33:15
twolevel overlap between each
33:18
>> each tier of gear. But now, if let's say
33:21
I have an adventurer piece and I upgrade
33:24
it to six out of six, then if I get a
33:27
veteran piece, uh I can upgrade those
33:31
first two levels for free, which would
33:33
put it up to the same eye level as a uh
33:36
two out of six adventurer piece. So,
33:40
you're never going to be like, "Oh, I
33:42
shouldn't upgrade. I shouldn't upgrade
33:45
this piece I have because I might get a
33:46
higher level piece." It's like any
33:48
upgrade you put into any piece will
33:51
allow you will help you, you know, so
33:55
there are fewer questions both with the
33:57
catalyst and with gear upgrades. You're
34:01
much less likely to be like, "Oh, I used
34:04
catalyst charge on a veteran piece. What
34:06
a waste."
34:06
>> Yeah. It's less dear.
34:08
>> Oh, I upgraded. Yeah. But it's like
34:10
everything you do has value and it's
34:12
you're not going to face these choices
34:14
where it's like, "Oh, I I upgraded
34:17
something and that was a huge mistake.
34:19
You don't have those huge regret moments
34:22
because you upgraded gear." So upgrading
34:25
gear feels good. Like upgrading gear
34:28
should never feel bad.
34:29
>> Yeah.
34:30
>> And uh I I think they've I think that's
34:32
been really good. just it feels good to
34:36
not have to be like, "Oh, no. I upgrade
34:38
this and it's bad."
34:40
>> Yeah, I agree. I'm right there with you.
34:41
I think I think this fixes a problem
34:44
that has been around for a long, long.
34:46
>> Also, I've got to say one thing I super
34:49
appreciate. The crests are now named the
34:53
same thing as the gear they upgrade.
34:55
>> Yes, thank you. I no longer have to I no
34:58
longer have to double check every time
35:00
like is this the right type of crest to
35:03
upgrade this type of gear cuz that's
35:06
what I've been doing since they launched
35:08
this system. No, now they're adventurer
35:11
crest. They're veteran crests. They're
35:13
champion crests. So, I just I just know
35:16
I can just be in the game and look at
35:18
the information in the game and know
35:20
instead of having to open up Wowhead and
35:22
double check, okay, which crests upgrade
35:24
which.
35:26
It's such a simple thing, but it has
35:29
genuinely made things much more
35:31
straightforward. And I think I think all
35:33
of these gearing changes have been have
35:36
been helpful. And maybe to an extent
35:38
they contribute to the ease of getting
35:40
gear and getting higher level gear
35:42
because you're not going to you're less
35:44
likely to hold on to your crests because
35:48
spending them doesn't lose value and
35:50
spending them can even gain value
35:52
because if I get if I'm wearing a six
35:54
out of six adventure I get a veteran
35:56
piece I can immediately upgrade it to a
35:58
two out of six without
36:02
without spending any of my veteran
36:03
crests. So, uh, it's good. It's good all
36:06
around.
36:07
>> Yeah, I agree. Yes. Okay. I've been
36:11
messing around with transmog. I'm sorry.
36:13
>> I didn't. That's good.
36:15
>> You you mentioned like in this thing
36:17
that the April transmod, which we're
36:18
going to talk about now, so I might as
36:19
well just segue. Uh, but I saw this
36:22
entry like April transmod. Did I buy any
36:23
of the March stuff? The answer was that
36:25
I had not. So, yeah,
36:27
>> it's very important.
36:28
>> It was a very important thing to
36:29
remember.
36:29
>> A very hasty log on to buy things before
36:32
they were gone. And I had a lot of of
36:36
tendies uh waiting for me. So I actually
36:38
got the mounts. So I got two butterflies
36:41
now so I can flap around and and have
36:45
big red butterfly wings on my back. And
36:47
yeah, I don't know where I'm going with
36:48
this transmog, but I have it. So So
36:51
yeah, let's talk about April. I I I
36:54
don't I'm I want you guys to talk about
36:56
the April transmog stuff before I talk
36:58
about it because I have one complaint
36:59
that I'm going to make and I want to see
37:00
if one of you makes it first. But go
37:03
ahead and tell people what's going on
37:04
with transmog this April because snail
37:06
>> I think the ensemble thing is kind of
37:08
interesting.
37:08
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
37:09
>> I'm not I'm not really into it. I'm not
37:12
really into this month. Some months
37:13
you're not really into it.
37:14
>> But that snail is so cute. Look at him.
37:17
Just look at his little guy.
37:18
>> Okay. The snail the snail is cute. But
37:21
the snail is a ground mount.
37:24
>> Yeah.
37:24
>> When am I going to ever use this snail?
37:27
>> I surprisingly use ground mounts
37:29
relatively frequently. H.
37:31
>> Anyway, please continue.
37:32
>> No, carry on because I don't I I do have
37:35
to say the thorny thing. It It reminds
37:38
me of Audrey.
37:39
>> I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah,
37:41
>> I maybe I need this mount. It's like
37:44
It's a mount that is like a thorn snake
37:47
with a plant head. Very Audreyike. So,
37:52
as long as it's not devouring you,
37:55
pretty pretty nice. Yeah, this this
37:57
month is very much themed around plants,
37:59
which I think is great.
38:00
>> Um, like we're the two mounts we're
38:03
talking about. One is a uh a flora fauna
38:07
uh snail. Again, ground mount looks
38:09
really cool in my opinion. Uh very much
38:12
looks straight out of heraneer uh or
38:14
herandar from the heraneer area. And uh
38:17
the flying mount, which is a it's
38:20
essentially the windsurp skeleton or the
38:23
worm skeleton. So you're if you're used
38:24
to it, but it does it looks like it's
38:26
made out of vines. It looks like it's a
38:29
a plant like uh one of the creepers uh
38:32
from if you've done Algathar Academy,
38:34
the ones that pop up out of the ground
38:36
before you pull the first boss. Uh it
38:38
looks like them like if their roots were
38:39
just longer and they could fly. And I
38:42
really really dig it. Um everything in
38:44
this one is pretty much geared towards
38:47
the same thing. It's all very much
38:49
nature related.
38:51
um whether you're getting your different
38:53
uh attire like the forest attire or uh
38:57
everything else that's all geared
38:58
towards what if we were one with nature.
39:01
So if that's your thing, plenty of
39:03
really cool stuff. Uh it also has
39:05
probably the creepiest training post pet
39:08
we've ever had and I love him or them.
39:11
Uh, it is the like the grumpy mandre is
39:15
what it's called. And it literally is
39:18
the grumpiest looking grou uh wannabe
39:21
mandre in a pot with roots gr walking
39:24
around that you've ever seen. And it is
39:27
precious. It will be mine. It will be at
39:29
every raid with me. Come to me, my
39:31
beautiful child. We shall see such
39:33
wonderful things cuz I love this thing
39:36
so much. Yeah, that that's my take on
39:38
it. What do you got, Liz?
39:39
>> Anything else stand out to you? Do you
39:40
want to be a garden gnome?
39:42
>> You literally can be a garden gnome now.
39:43
>> I do not want to I I do not want to be a
39:45
garden. That is that is an insult to
39:48
gnomes.
39:50
>> Really? Cuz I'm literally getting this
39:51
from my gnome and I'm just going to
39:52
stand around in the garden area of
39:54
Silver Moon in a pose.
39:56
>> If it makes If it makes you happy, more
39:58
power to you. I'm I'm personally not
40:00
into it. Matt, what do you think?
40:03
>> Why there any weapons?
40:05
>> There are weapons.
40:07
>> There are not very many. And they're
40:09
not. And this I'm having a problem
40:12
lately. The last few weapon selections.
40:15
There's some cool ones. Uh March had all
40:17
the Sentinel weapons which are all very
40:19
cool. They also had a whirlwind axe that
40:22
is like a piece of styrofoam. The
40:24
whirlwind axe should not look like a
40:26
club.
40:26
>> There was a whole set of weapons that
40:28
look like they were used for the stage
40:30
play and Ardan weld. That was a very
40:31
specific design choice.
40:33
>> But I didn't like it. And and yet I like
40:36
I said, the sentinel weapons were good.
40:38
the ones we're getting the the various
40:40
shovels and I'm like I get it but we
40:43
have a fair amount of shovel and shovel
40:46
like rakes and other like spoons and I
40:50
just want a weapon that actually looks
40:52
like a weapon. There are so many weapons
40:55
that have never actually made it to the
40:57
game. Um, and you could put them in the
41:00
trading house, so I could buy them, but
41:03
instead it's big styrofoam Ardan weld,
41:06
you know, drama weapons, which is if I
41:08
were going to do a play, I I think I
41:11
would buy them just so I have them in
41:13
case I ever need to to put on a play
41:15
because I do think that's a cool thing
41:16
to do. But I don't RP that much anymore.
41:20
Uh, I don't really have people to RP
41:22
with. I'm kind of basically by myself
41:24
nowadays. So yeah, it it's just I'm not
41:27
happy. Uh the weapons are not not doing
41:29
it for me, especially the April ones.
41:31
March again had really cool sentinel
41:33
stuff. I even bought the bow. I'm never
41:35
going to use the bow. Um if I start
41:36
leveling my hunter again, but I I don't
41:38
imagine that's going to happen. But I
41:41
still thought it really looked cool, so
41:43
I bought it. Uh I bought the quiver
41:44
because it's a really cool looking
41:46
quiver. But I'm just not down for the
41:50
just No. I I did not like the weapons
41:53
this time. I thought it was weird, kind
41:56
of interesting, but kind of weird that
41:57
how many ensembles they had this time
41:59
around. I think they had like seven.
42:01
Like it looks like a lot of them. Um,
42:05
>> I do I I do want to present an alternate
42:08
take on your on your struggle with this
42:10
month's trading post. If there are
42:12
trading post months that you are not
42:14
very into, like I'm not very into this
42:17
one either, then you can save up your
42:20
tendies for the future trading post that
42:22
you may be really into.
42:25
I do that all the time.
42:26
>> Yeah. In the past in the past two
42:27
months, I've burned through every Tindy
42:29
I've had and not gotten everything I
42:32
would have liked to get. So, it's going
42:34
to be kind I'm not into this month's
42:36
trading post, but it's going to be kind
42:37
of nice to have, you know, a quiet
42:39
trading post where I can just save up my
42:43
currency for later.
42:45
>> Well, yeah. I had like one thing frozen,
42:47
for example. I think that they that
42:48
would be something I think would be nice
42:50
if they would expand the amount of
42:51
things you can freeze.
42:53
>> Oh, yeah.
42:54
>> Not like crazy. I'll like give you like
42:56
12 slots, but you know, if I didn't have
42:59
to choose between, oh, I really want to
43:01
get that mount next month, but I also
43:02
really want to get this that next month.
43:05
I would like it if I have two options.
43:07
Uh, just so I could not feel like I'm
43:10
I'm picking between mounts and and
43:12
actual gear, but you know, it's it's not
43:14
a big deal otherwise. I do like the
43:16
trading post. I mean, God knows I've
43:18
stop on it, but this April one and
43:22
>> anytime the weapon looked like it looks
43:23
like was like, you know, made in in a,
43:26
you know, 3D printer,
43:27
>> uh, would set to, you know, make it make
43:29
it look like Minecraft, I get a little
43:32
uncomfortable. And that and especially
43:33
the whirlwind axe because the whirlwind
43:35
axe is a is near and dear to my heart
43:38
because it was the warrior class weapon
43:41
you got at level 30 for fighting that
43:43
horrible whirl whirlwind elemental who
43:45
would destroy you cuz he was an elite
43:47
and you're level 27 trying to kill him
43:49
with whatever green thing dropped you
43:52
know while you were leveling up. I
43:54
remember like sitting at by the the side
43:57
of that river um just outside of Taran
44:00
Mill there's like a river that's in the
44:02
next zone. I think it's just in the
44:03
plague lands
44:04
>> but it's not plagued or anything and
44:06
that's where he was
44:07
>> and I remember trying to kill that thing
44:09
and trying to kill that thing and then a
44:10
level 60 guy just rode up and this was
44:13
before flying mounts. He just rode up on
44:14
his land mount saw me trying to do it
44:17
and stopped and helped me because as he
44:19
said to me, "Yeah, I know that thing's
44:22
that thing's a bear. I hated trying to
44:23
do that. So that's what I did for like
44:26
literally until they took it out in
44:28
Cataclysm. I used to go by like once
44:30
every few days to see if anyone was
44:32
struggling with it and just one shot the
44:34
thing.
44:35
>> I'd wait till they were hitting it,
44:37
>> right? I used to do that with the the
44:38
hunter demons from the uh the hunter
44:41
quest after I got my bow.
44:42
>> Uh because any hunter once a hunter was
44:44
on the quest could do it once the
44:46
original hunter tagged it,
44:47
>> they could do it for them with one
44:49
exception. So I would go and help
44:51
people. I would literally camp the
44:52
spawns, wait for somebody to come in,
44:54
literally mime, and I had a horde
44:57
character uh and an alliance character
44:59
at the time, and I would go to the horde
45:00
character if they saw a horde going for
45:02
it to message the person specifically
45:04
and say, "Do you want help because this
45:07
thing is a pain."
45:10
>> Yeah, it was, you know, the war was such
45:13
a big deal to me that seeing it look
45:15
like again like a Minecraft weapon, I
45:18
just don't like it. But that doesn't
45:19
mean that it's bad. And if you like it,
45:20
great. Go ahead, get it. I might get it
45:22
again if I ever decide to put on a play.
45:24
People think I'm kidding. I am not
45:26
kidding. If I get enough people who want
45:28
to do it, I will put on a play. We did I
45:31
used to do like a There was a weekly RP
45:33
raid we used to do. I forget what realm
45:36
it was. I wish I could. Um, but we used
45:37
to do it like once a week. We would just
45:39
RP our way through a raid as our
45:42
character. And since I was playing a
45:44
Torin at the time and I was tanking more
45:46
often than not, my character's entire
45:48
persona was I think everyone's a child
45:51
since they're all much smaller than so I
45:54
talk to everyone like they're a child.
45:56
Like no, no, little orc, you'll get
45:57
hurt.
45:59
Let me take the blows. You You stay in
46:01
the back and cast spells. I'm a I'm a
46:03
warrior. I I don't cast spells. Oh, how
46:06
cute that you You're too little, little
46:07
one. And you know, so what I'm saying
46:10
is, yes, I love RP stuff. I love buying
46:12
weird outfits for RP. I don't have a
46:15
problem with it. I just specifically
46:17
don't like it when when WoW weapons get
46:19
to a certain level of shunk.
46:21
>> Yeah, there is uncomfortable
46:22
>> which is fair. And then there we should
46:25
probably talk about to the change that's
46:26
coming in patch 12.0.5,
46:28
>> which I think is relevant for weapons in
46:30
general. Uh this is what we call an
46:33
appropriate segue. Uh
46:36
you can choose to sheath your weapons in
46:39
uh patch 12.0.5 0.5 in transmog uh as
46:43
either hip or back or hide it completely
46:46
when sheathed. The fact that it's giving
46:49
you this option is absolutely massive.
46:52
Do you hate the fact that your daggers
46:53
poke through your cloak? Problem solved.
46:55
Do you hate the fact that your your
46:58
weapon mysteriously disappears when it's
47:00
sheathed? Cook the toggle. Like this is
47:04
insanely cool for everybody. Uh it's
47:07
going to be
47:08
>> I agree. It's a huge quality of life
47:10
thing and it sounds like such a small
47:11
thing for for transmog, but man does it
47:13
make me happy.
47:14
>> See, that goes back to the list of
47:16
people who were like deliberately go and
47:19
get weapons that would sheath on their
47:21
back and use them
47:23
>> well past the point where they were any
47:25
good.
47:26
>> We had a looked good. Yeah,
47:28
>> we had a rogue in my raid who was
47:30
literally using two blue weapons out of
47:32
scholamance because they sheaththed on
47:35
his back when we were doing like
47:37
blackwing lair.
47:38
>> Yeah.
47:39
>> And they everyone would be like, "No,
47:40
man. You got to get these daggers.
47:42
They're great. The ones off the
47:43
dragons." He's like, "Look, they don't
47:45
sheath on my back. I want them to sheath
47:48
on my back. Plus, I'm a sword rogue, so
47:51
all my stuff needs to be from a heavier,
47:53
slower weapon. I I am not a a dagger
47:55
rogue. That's not my deal." And so he
47:58
want he used those things right up to
47:59
Blackwing Lair. And I convinced him to
48:02
get a sword out of there was like a
48:05
sword I think in either AQ or BWL.
48:07
Probably AQ. I convinced him to get it
48:09
because it was a slow heavy sword.
48:11
>> The AQ21hander sword. Yep.
48:13
>> Yeah. And he was like, "Does it?" He
48:15
goes, "Does it sheath on my back?" I go,
48:17
"I'm not going to lie to you." Yes. And
48:19
it lied right to his face. And he was
48:22
like, "Damn you. It work. It works so
48:25
well that I'm going to use it, but I'm
48:26
not keeping it on my back when I'm not
48:28
using it. So, now he could just put it
48:30
on his back. I I think that's great. Um
48:33
I love seeing things, wow, because at
48:35
this point, you keep forgetting all the
48:38
things that you once complained about
48:41
because they're so part of the game at
48:44
this point. Like, I never expected to
48:47
see kind of transmog at all, much less
48:50
to be like able to transmog pole arms
48:52
over swords. Uh, now being able to
48:55
decide I want my weapons to be on my
48:56
back. Uh, or the idea of sheathing a
49:00
weapon that is a two-hand weapon on the
49:02
side really excites me. Like the that
49:05
you're walking around with two Ash
49:07
Condis just scraping along the ground
49:09
behind you. You know, the way that that
49:11
gnomes do. If you ever watch a gnome
49:13
with Titan script, it is the funniest
49:15
I've ever seen.
49:17
>> Yep.
49:17
>> I mean, they just they they clip through
49:19
the ground.
49:21
>> Yeah. And they're just it literally
49:22
looks like they're just digging a furrow
49:23
behind like what are you plowing? Like
49:27
what? It's what do they do? They go in
49:29
the ground. But uh yes, that that is
49:31
cool. I am glad you mentioned that. What
49:34
else we got to talk about here?
49:36
>> Uh Mr. Panderia phase 4.
49:38
>> Yeah.
49:38
>> So I mean this went live. So we did talk
49:41
about that last week, but yeah, it is it
49:43
is now live. So, we got one more phase
49:46
till Siege of Ormar and then from what I
49:49
understand, Mr. Pendaria Classic is
49:51
going to just be that for three and a
49:53
half years. Um,
49:54
>> I I hope not. I hope not. See, here's
49:58
the thing. Blizzard hasn't announced
50:01
anything. And you know, Siege Warar is
50:04
probably out in a couple months.
50:06
>> Yeah.
50:06
>> And then what?
50:08
>> I mean, are they not announcing
50:10
something just to tease us? Are we
50:12
supposed to be sitting here and
50:13
thinking, "Oh god, are we going to be in
50:14
Siege of Morgore for for two years
50:17
again?
50:18
>> 800 years."
50:20
>> That's the thing about it.
50:22
>> Probably not.
50:23
>> What are we going to get? You know, like
50:25
that's good thing cuz that's that is the
50:28
end of Mr.
50:29
>> Yeah. And then you got Warlords. I mean,
50:32
they must be going on to warlords.
50:33
They've gone on to everything else. So,
50:36
>> man, Warlord
50:38
>> into the future.
50:39
>> Isn't that the first item?
50:40
H I don't know. I don't remember. It has
50:43
been lost.
50:44
>> Well, us doing um the dead mines dungeon
50:48
like as a test on the on the when it was
50:50
being it was beta testing. We were on
50:52
the beta and we went and did the new
50:54
dead mines that came out. Is that
50:57
Warlords or Cataclysm?
50:58
>> I thought that was Cataclysm.
51:00
>> I think it was Kata.
51:02
>> We did the We did the the ogre one.
51:04
There's the ogre one in the Frostfire
51:06
Peaks. It's like a for foundry or
51:09
something. Man, that dungeon. I remember
51:11
doing that one and would be like, "Oh my
51:12
god, I hate this so much. Help me.
51:15
Someone please help me."
51:17
>> Um, but regardless,
51:18
>> and yet no one no one ever comes to help
51:21
us.
51:22
>> No one cared how unhappy you were,
51:23
Matthew. Um, to be fair, uh, that
51:26
dungeon wasn't that bad. I just I was
51:29
not up for what it was. So, I'll just be
51:31
upfront and say that. But regardless,
51:34
uh, yeah, it is wild to think about the
51:36
fact that we're now on Miss Aandaria
51:37
Classic, and it's about to go into the
51:40
content patch that was the longest
51:42
content patch I ever personally
51:44
experienced cuz I didn't I didn't like
51:46
stop playing at any point during that
51:48
patch. I played I was in Siege of Ormar
51:52
for the full year and a half.
51:54
>> I was still running.
51:57
I switched guilds and then had to teach
52:00
the new guild I was in how to do boss
52:03
fights in Siege of Ormar
52:05
>> because I had cleared it all and then I
52:07
went to a to a smaller guild where they
52:09
hadn't cleared it all yet. So, I had to
52:11
go do that. And oh, oh boy. I I will say
52:15
right now I will never ever ever want to
52:18
do a fight like the the treasures of
52:21
whatever fight the the Orgamar.
52:23
>> Oh yeah.
52:24
>> Where you going on both sides and
52:27
so much. That thing that Joe was talking
52:29
about before, now tanks have to talk to
52:30
each other. I don't mind talking to
52:32
other tanks. I hate having to talk to
52:35
the entire raid. I get so anxious. The
52:38
idea of talking to multiple people and
52:40
then having them talk to me and I'm
52:42
like, "Oh god, oh god, people are going
52:44
to like if I don't know exactly what to
52:45
tell them, they're going to be mad." So,
52:47
I'd be like, "Uh, yeah. So, we're going
52:49
to go to the crates and uh what we need
52:52
to do is get the crates down fast enough
52:54
so the energy, but we have to do it
52:56
stable so that both sides are at the
52:58
same level. We can't have one side done
53:00
and the other side not or or we're just
53:02
going to end up with all the monsters
53:03
killing us." And people are like, "Could
53:06
you explain that again?" I'm like,
53:07
"Please don't make me please go to
53:09
Wowhead. Please do anything but make me
53:12
talk about this." So, yeah. I I don't
53:15
even know where I was going with this
53:16
other than the fact that I'm imagining
53:18
that that again and the idea of doing it
53:20
for 18 months.
53:23
>> I just just do you remember that
53:24
Simpsons episode with Sid Show Bob? He's
53:26
going
53:28
because he wants to kill Homer. I mean,
53:30
he wants to kill Bart, but you know,
53:32
Marge says, "No, Marge. See, stay away
53:35
from my son again." No.
53:38
>> Like that. That's me when I'm trying to
53:40
explain long complicated raid fights to
53:42
people in Siege of Borgar. So yeah,
53:44
getting those people through the uh
53:46
through the healing fight as a tank who
53:49
didn't play a healer in in that raid.
53:51
That was fun. That was that was that was
53:54
so much fun. Anyway, uh so what are we
53:56
going to is anyone going to play this?
53:58
We're not going to I I don't I don't
53:59
think I'm going to be playing M of
54:01
Classic. I I'm sorry. I love
54:04
>> The problem is The problem is it's just
54:06
a matter of time, you know? Midnight
54:08
takes up a lot of time. Yeah. There's
54:10
way too much to do. So, it feels like,
54:12
okay, pick your Warcraft and that's your
54:15
Warcraft. That's just And that's fine.
54:18
>> Yeah. Plus, my crippling my crippling uh
54:20
Diablo I addiction.
54:22
>> Yeah, that's a problem. And we're
54:23
getting we're getting a Diablo I ed uh
54:26
expansion at the end of the month.
54:28
>> Yeah, next month. Like the the days the
54:31
month that starts
54:32
>> this week. Oh god. Yes. You're listening
54:35
to it in that that time right now,
54:37
people. It's It launches on April 28th.
54:41
That's that's the simplest way to say
54:42
it.
54:44
>> So, yeah, we're going to have a lot a
54:46
lot more Diablo on the agenda.
54:49
>> I I didn't realize that you had to pay
54:52
for the uh the the Doom armor, the Ptor,
54:56
much less you had to pay for a different
54:58
suit for every class to put in it.
55:01
>> That's that's the that's the insidious
55:04
thing about Diablo because all transmogs
55:06
are class specific. So, you've got to
55:07
buy the $25 transmog for each class you
55:09
might ever want to play. And it's
55:11
>> Yeah.
55:12
>> And it's rough.
55:13
>> I had to borrow that money from a
55:15
friend. So, he he then said, "You're not
55:18
paying me back for that, by the way."
55:20
I'm like, "Oh, well, thank you."
55:22
>> But I the I found out that the really
55:25
cool weapons were available uh via layer
55:28
bosses.
55:29
>> Yeah.
55:30
>> Yeah. I mean, some of the stuff you can
55:31
just play and get, but yeah, they they
55:33
want you to pay for those
55:35
microtransactions.
55:37
>> Yeah, I I I don't like it, but we've
55:39
talked about that before. And we also
55:42
right now is probably not the best move.
55:44
But I will say that that's something I
55:46
hope WoW starts doing is if they decide
55:48
to do tie-ins in WoW
55:49
>> 25 $25 transmog sets, don't give them
55:52
ideas.
55:53
>> No, not that. the part where they take
55:56
items that are already in the game and
55:58
give them a new skin that you can learn
56:01
to get the transmon because that's what
56:02
they did with the with the weapon. They
56:04
have this series of weapons that's like
56:06
this is a an ancient legendary unique
56:08
item that dropped for me and it also
56:11
happens to not look like the butcher's
56:13
axe. It looks like a weapon from Doom.
56:16
And I'm like, "Oo, it's the exact same
56:19
kind of weapon that I wanted and it's
56:22
better and it looks like the thing. So,
56:25
I don't even have to destroy it. I can
56:27
just use it and then later on when I'm
56:29
done with it, I can destroy it and now
56:31
I'll have the look." So, I do like that.
56:34
I do not like the thing where I'm like
56:36
they're they're asking me to like spend
56:38
like $25 per armor or get the combined
56:41
armor sets for a discount so you can get
56:43
all of them if you buy them all at once.
56:45
It's like it's the amount of co of money
56:46
you're asking me to spend here is like
56:48
$50.
56:49
>> Significant. It's significant.
56:51
>> We will then said move on to Noble
56:53
Garden because that's that's going to
56:54
start on April 6th and end on April
56:57
13th. I don't think there's anything new
57:00
or at least no one's there.
57:02
>> We don't we don't know if there's
57:03
anything new. Wowhead hasn't data mined
57:06
anything new that I'm aware of. So maybe
57:10
maybe but yeah kind of looks like just
57:12
another holiday but just another year of
57:15
do garden means another year in which
57:17
you can collect another color of duck.
57:20
You can only get one a year.
57:22
>> I mean that's not bad but still
57:24
>> No, no. I mean that's that's definitely
57:26
a positive but um or five or six of
57:30
them. So it's a it's a commitment if you
57:32
want every possible duck color.
57:34
>> I can't say I don't.
57:36
>> Exactly. Exactly. I heard you. I heard
57:38
the problem. I was going to say, I mean,
57:39
if we're going to speak on Noble Garden
57:41
and we're speaking about eggs, there's a
57:42
very obvious segue here for the last
57:43
thing on this list that I feel compelled
57:46
to talk about.
57:47
>> Go for it. Talk about it. Cuz I thought
57:49
it was odd to
57:51
>> Did you know that there is a cross
57:53
promotion between Lodge Castiron and
57:55
World of Warcraft? I feel like we're in
57:58
2008 again, folks. Um, it's a 10 and a
58:02
10 and a/4 inch seasoned cast iron World
58:05
of Warcraft skillet. Literally has the
58:08
World of Warcraft logo on the bottom of
58:10
it. It is a like it's a lodge cast iron
58:14
skillet. That's really it. And I don't
58:17
know why, but I want this bloody thing.
58:19
>> Here's the thing. As you just pointed
58:21
out, it sounds like something they would
58:23
have done back in 2008. And I can just
58:25
imagine the QVC piece
58:28
>> where like you know you hear the
58:29
Stormwind music playing and you're like
58:31
what the
58:34
and you just like you hold up your World
58:36
of Warcraft skillet and go for the
58:38
Alliance or somebody else is like then
58:40
it cuts to like a dark room in the
58:43
for the horde. And the funny thing is
58:45
the funny thing is to me like this is a
58:47
I think they're they're charging I think
58:49
it's like 40 US for it which is or sorry
58:52
37 US which is
58:54
>> that's not bad for for a large cast iron
58:57
pan of that size you're usually spending
58:59
between about 20 $25 anyway. Um but you
59:03
also get a code for the cinder kitten
59:05
pet in game that comes with the pan. Oh,
59:09
I do I do have a complaint because it
59:13
Okay, center kitten. Perfectly fine.
59:15
Perfectly fine. But why isn't it like
59:19
>> Are you doing the joke? Perfectly fine.
59:21
Was that a
59:23
>> I was not attempting to make a pun, but
59:25
there we are.
59:26
>> It should have been Ragnaros. It should
59:27
have been Little Ragnaros. He's just a
59:29
walking fire pit. You used to be able to
59:31
cook on little Ragnaros, too. Like in
59:33
game. I know. I'm dead serious. Like
59:36
when little Ragnaros was first in the
59:37
game.
59:38
>> I know
59:38
>> you could cook on him. That would have
59:39
been a perfect Somebody dropped the ball
59:42
here. Blizzard, come on.
59:44
>> Sorry.
59:44
>> I I also think this could have this
59:47
could have deserved a new pet. Like a a
59:50
walking frying pan.
59:52
That was a frying pan. A campfire basic
59:55
campfire for warchief. I I feel like
59:58
just a little bit of creative effort
1:00:00
here would have just knocked this out of
1:00:02
the park. Also, I already have a cinder
1:00:04
kitten, so it's like it's just that
1:00:06
little bit less tempting. You know what
1:00:08
I mean? But a Warcraft themed frying pan
1:00:12
brings up so many possibilities.
1:00:16
And and none of them are here. It's
1:00:18
cinder kitten. Cinder kitten's fine, but
1:00:21
think about it. Think about it. Basic
1:00:24
campfire pet.
1:00:26
>> Listen, if they if they if they gave me
1:00:28
a basic campfire that just teleported
1:00:29
and followed me around, I would 100%
1:00:31
have that as a pet. The thing about this
1:00:33
frying pan as a as a battle pet idea is
1:00:36
it reminds me of the most horrifying
1:00:38
thing I've ever seen in a Fallout game,
1:00:40
which is the the Nucaca bottle robot
1:00:44
that has a sidekick is a cap, a bottle
1:00:47
cap that it actually plops on its head
1:00:50
and it's like imagine riding around with
1:00:52
a kid strapped to your head. You're
1:00:56
constantly shaking him. It's just like
1:00:59
he's got the thing plugged into his
1:01:01
head. I I don't and it comes off and
1:01:04
runs around him and ah I had so many
1:01:08
like now imagine you've got the frying
1:01:10
pan pet you now have to use say the
1:01:13
cinder kitten or you know Ragnaros or
1:01:16
something to cook food on the frying pan
1:01:19
and the frying pan one presumes its face
1:01:22
would be the flat of the frying pan so
1:01:25
you're cooking it on his face or her
1:01:27
face or their face and I just I don't
1:01:29
want to see this. I don't want to see
1:01:31
people cooking on its face. Is does it
1:01:33
have a mouth? Can it talk? Is it gonna
1:01:35
be like, "Hey, you're cooking. Ah,
1:01:37
sorry. I'm not like, you know, stop
1:01:39
dropping my food into the fire frying
1:01:41
pan here. You're less than useless to
1:01:44
me." Anyway, I just imagine somebody d,
1:01:46
you know, drove a dump truck of money up
1:01:48
to Blizzard and said, "Here, let us make
1:01:50
a frying pan." And they were like,
1:01:51
"Okay."
1:01:52
>> Or vice versa.
1:01:53
>> Sure. Or Blizzard was like, "Come on,
1:01:55
you you know, you want to tie into our
1:01:57
stuff. Do people people cook in this
1:02:00
this game? Do they? Oh, do they?
1:02:02
>> And they they did release the there is a
1:02:04
World of Warcraft cookbook at least. I
1:02:06
think one of them.
1:02:07
>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:08
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's at least one. I
1:02:09
think there's actually like three or
1:02:10
four of them. Um
1:02:12
>> and there, you know, there's a Diablo
1:02:14
cookbook. There's something for
1:02:16
everybody out there.
1:02:17
>> All right. Uh before we talk another
1:02:19
hour about cooking,
1:02:22
>> it is frying pans.
1:02:24
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