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As we head into Midnight, we know this act begins with a direct assault on the Sunwell. But what is the Sunwell? Our Loremasters Joe and Matt discuss the history of Xal'atath's next target. The Sunwell isn't even the only well of power to be found on Azeroth -- they discuss the Well of Eternity, and the Nightwell, too.
This isn't the first time the Sunwell has been directly assaulted -- and hopefully, it won't be the last, if our champions have anything to say about it. (Which is to say that hopefully it will be around to be attacked again in the future.)
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Hello and welcome to Lore Watch, a round table free form discussion about learning your favorite media. I am your host Joe Perez, one of several lore
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focused folks from Blizzard Watch and I got my marvelous co-host with me today, Matt Rossy. How you doing today, Matt? You know how in Doctor Strange and the
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in the you know Multiverse of Madness, Mr. Fantastic was played by John Krosinski, but in the Fantastic Four
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movie, Mr. Fantastic was played by um Jin Jarren there. I can't remember his name at the moment.
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Mhm. But you you know who I'm talking about, though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm I'm the Dingjarun version
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of myself this week. Okay. Duly noted. Uh well, or Joel from The Last of Us, I guess.
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Yeah, that's another thing he's dead. Well, yeah, that's fair. All right. All right. Well, friends, this week we're going to be doing a
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little bit of discussion about uh the Sunwell and why, you might ask. Well, it's topical. Uh with midnight right
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around the corner, what's that? Like an ointment. Yes, like an ointment. No.
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Um I shouldn't have said that. You going with uh with midnight right around the corner, uh it seems relevant that we
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maybe do a recap or a brief synopsis of the Sunwell and its history as well as,
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you know, what its significance is. uh because it is tied to a lot of elf lore.
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And I just want to remind everybody that while we do these topical stuff uh these episodes every now and then, uh we do
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subscribers as a way of saying thank you for helping us keep the lights on. Uh yeah. So I guess let's crack into it. So
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we're we're going to end with like a couple different questions, right? So we're going to ask we're going to answer
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what is the Sunwell? Where did it come from? Why is it there? uh and how is it
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different from you know the well of eternity or Surar's night well and what
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significance it would have if it were to fall. So I guess let's start from the beginning. What is the Sunwell? Matt
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the Sunwell is a creation of the um high elves when they first came uh to what is
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now the Eastern Kingdoms. It it was shortly after the sundering as a result
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of everything that had been going on before and during the uh sundering when
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the well of eternity was destroyed. It was by implosion and much of ancient Calendar was either sunk under the ocean
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or pushed away from each other. there was a giant vortex at the center of what was once the continent and the two major
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continents that we currently know of um with the now current and the eastern kingdoms were separated by a vast ocean.
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Um during that time period as they were rebuilding the night elves essentially said you know what we hate magic
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specifically arcane magic it we had these these guys called the hyaborn and
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they were super into this stuff and was super into it and she then began
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trafficking with demons and everything went bad and we had we had to blow up the the night you know we had to blow up
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the uh well of eternity and everything's bad now and we don't want any more of that. Um but there was a sizable number
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of highborn who had turned on Ashara and the other highborn. They were like no uh
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we don't want to be you know controlled and destroyed by demons. This is a bad
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idea. Uh they were led by a guy named Dathramar Sunstrider. Uh Sunstrider was
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his name wasn't Sunstrider exactly. It was originally he who walks by day
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because most night elves are fairly nocturnal and and he wasn't. He liked being out in the daytime. But as as a
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highborn, he was like, "I like my magic." And the other highborn with them were like, "Yes, we also like our magic." And so they decided to show off
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their power, thinking, "Well, if we show off our power, we got a good chance of of actually winning the the approval of
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the others, and they'll back off on this whole no more arcade magic thing." So they created a massive magical storm and
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the exact opposite thing of what they wanted happened. Namely that they were kicked out. The the Kalumor like the
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Caldori of Kalumor were like get out. We don't care where you go. We don't care what you do but get out. We don't want
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you here. Um uh Dramar took that. He's like all right. One of the things the
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reasons that Dasma did this was because he had a little gift from Illodon Storm Rage. When the original Well of Eternity
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was destroyed by um Malfurian Storm Rage, Illodon had kept several vials of
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its waters. He then put three of those vials into a lake on top of Mount Hyel
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and created the current Well of which drove everybody crazy. And then he ended up with him getting locked up uh in a
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barrerow guarded by Mayv Shadowong who really hated him. But Dramar had some
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well some vials as well. Uh and he took them with him when they left and they
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sailed on over until they eventually went up into the Eastern Kingdoms in a place that's pretty familiar to anybody
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uh who played an undead in World of Warcraft because he landed in what is essentially Teras Fall Glades now. And
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specifically, there's kind of a a fairy circle up in the uh the hills and
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mountains that you can fly to now, but you couldn't back in the day. And it's got all these mushrooms and all these
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fairy dragons flying around it. They got to that area and they were like, "Okay, cool. We'll we maybe we'll settle here.
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Let's, you know, we'll take some time, get some sleep." And they had horrific nightmares of horrible monstrosities
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because there is a chthraxi like literally underneath them sleeping. Uh the one Zach Jazz uh which I always have
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to say like jazz hands. I'm sorry, but Zach Jazz was sleeping there and the the Tomb of Tear was right there and they
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were like, "Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. We're leaving. We're not staying here." And so they went and they
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accidentally ran into what was at that time Ammani troll territory. And the
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Ammani were like, you know, they didn't like elves anyway. So they were like, "Get out." and the highborn the highborn
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at the time they were highborn decided well no and they pushed the Ammani to a
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very small fragment of their original territory and went up to what is now the aisle of Caldonis or the Sunwell Island
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when they got there that's when Dramar used the vials from the original well of
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eternity but he altered them with his magic and he did so to tie them to the
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sun and it's that as much as anything else that led to high elves and later
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blood elves looking very different from other elves. It literally changed them
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physically with the magic of the Sunwell which was tied to the solar cycle as opposed to the lunar cycle. Um so that's
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what the Sunwell originally was. That's that's its origin story. Yeah. And I mean there's a lot of other steps in between there and why it's
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important because this is also the end result of uh essentially being exiled, right? like it was
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uh he and I should also point out that like during the time of great strife uh
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Dothramar was not uh against the nightborn at all. He actually joined the
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Caldori resistance was was the leader of the highborn as part of the Caldori resistance. Help them actually fight
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back against the legion save Yeah. Absolutely. He loved magic but he
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did not love demons. No. and he was very much against um you know Azara as far as her her coupling
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with the demons go like he was also instrumental in saving Toronda Whisperwind uh with the idea that she
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would vouch for them essentially like yeah these ones aren't they're not evil right they don't they don't they don't want to just blow things up but then
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afterwards with the what we call the the exile of the highborn which was almost 10,000 years ago I want to say it's like
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7 and a half thousand years ago no it's much closer to 10,000 It it happened within a few dozen years
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of the end of the original war of the ancients. It because they were still arguing over whether or not magic was
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going to have a place. Well, they they literally just locked Illan up and I think that was just like what that
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was Ilanon getting locked up was not that long after the war. So, it was definitely not if 7,000 years
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that's that's too close to the what do you call it the war of the emerald guys? I can't remember. I I was say I say look
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it up while I'm talking but I'm pretty sure I'm pretty um okay but the the idea was that like
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eventually what wind up happening is in the aftermath of of all the fallout from that war and everything that blew up uh
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arcane magic was now a crime punishable by death. Um so they left right that's
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when they went to go find uh this area and find what would become qualas. Uh
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and the Sunwell became a center of their entire civilization. Uh it was a source
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of power, sure, in much the same way that the Well of Eternity was, but the idea of altering it is that it would, at
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least in Dathmar's eyes, he felt uh that it would be something that surpassed the
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Well of Eternity, that it would become stronger, that it would that it would be something more than its predecessor. In
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a lot of ways, he was right. uh and that was the day that the uh essentially the
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new high elves were born. Uh it also powered and allowed them to create the
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city of Silver Moon. Um it is the source of power that protected Silver Moon. And
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if you go back during the time of Arthus and him uh sort of waging war as the
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death knight that he was, uh the magic that he's dispelling and trying to cut
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through is exactly that. It's magic provided by the Sunwell. Um it's the I
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think what is it the Ben Denurel I think was the shield the great shield of the city something like that. Um that was
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supposed to be the shield. Yeah. Yeah. that was supposed to repel any invaders that was powered by the Sunwell. Uh, and it was so powerful that
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even Guldan and Zuljin could not get through it. Um, and the only way,
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they had to actually Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. The only way that they could get through it was actually to have an inside agent
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essentially. Um, which you know that that sort of and we see that like even during Arthus' uh assault, it isn't
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necessarily him that causes the problem. It's trading a trader from within, right? Um
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yeah, good old undead dude. Um that's the one who actually takes it down. Yeah, the Sunwell was also an object of
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I mentioned with Gul'dan. Um but during the burning of Qualas school, Dan wanted to use the power uh of the altar of
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storms to break through it and just could not uh because even though the altar of storms was crafted from the
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elves own runstones uh which were actually powered by the Sunwell uh he
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couldn't reverse engineer it. It was just that dang. Yeah, they had to actually get the ward stones themselves down. By the way, you
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were right. I had mixed up the war of the sadder, which was the one I was trying to think of, and the exile of the high elves in terms of when they
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happened. Sweet. Uh the war of the sadder was 9,300 years before the uh the third war, the first
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war, and the exile of the highborn was 7,300 years before the first war.
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Uh the Sunwell itself again remained a very central powerful uh focal point of
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the the the high elves for a long time. And we've seen a few things that have
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been shades of the Well of Eternity and and some very pivotal moments around it, such as Kill Jaden trying to use it as
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his entry point back into Azeroth. Uh something that we had seen previously the Well of Eternity be used for with
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the countless members of the demonic legions being brought to Azeroth. Uh portals powered by the Well of Eternity.
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Um, we see that the elves had their essentially, remember how, and we've
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talked about this before, high elves had immortality granted by the tree. Sunwell basically kind of did the very similar,
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if not same thing, right? Yeah. They weren't actually immortal compared to the the the night elves lived indefinitely, whereas you could
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age and die as a hot elf, but it was a very long time. Yeah. You were you were you were functionally I want to say functionally
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immortal. Like, let me let me put it this way. In the the several thousand years of the uh
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high elf kingdom, they only had three kings and one of them was was uh Dramar,
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who essentially was already extremely old by elf standards when he took the
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throne. So only really Anastion and Kalethos were the only ones to really
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and I I guess I'm calling Kaos a king here and I shouldn't but he would have banned King
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if he had not gone cuckoo for magic buffs. So yeah, they they did last a
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very long time. They they were not they they were not dying very quickly. Yeah. Uh and now this is a font of
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incredible power and again the comparison more often or most often recently given uh is the night well
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something that is akin to the Sunwell um exa but though not exactly the same. So
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the night well while being a font of incredible power created by the highborn um which is essentially they a
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convergence of lay lines uh that is sustained through the eye of ammonul
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which is one of the pillars of creation. It's very similar to the sunwell and that it is not a a it is not the well of
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eternity. It is not the natural wound left behind from the uh plucking of an
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old god from the flesh of a a nent titan. um but instead a uh arcane
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creation I guess would be the best way to put it that was cultivated uh for a specific need. Uh yeah, and also the unlike either the
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well of eternity or the Sunwell, the uh Nightwell taps in since it taps into the power of the eye of Aenthul and Aanthol
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is the one who granted um you know Naz Dormu his power. He has power over time
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and that's the power that the Nightwell taps. Why? When we killed their queen,
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we had to basically go through a multiple, you know, back and forth time encounter because they had power over
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time almost as good as the bronze dragon flight, if not equivalent. Yeah. The interesting thing here though
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is unlike the Sunwell or the Well of Eternity, the Sunwell being a uh
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declaring lineage from the Well of Eternity, this doesn't have a tie with the Well of Eternity at all, aside from
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its proximity to the the former temple of Aloon. and and buildings over there.
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But there's what I'm getting at here is the interesting thing is like remember how we said that the Sunwell essentially
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gave high elves essentially a longer life. The just by by passively being
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there. This didn't. The Nightwell does not. In fact, the Night Well, while it
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could sustain somebody essentially freeze them in time, uh had to be
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distilled into ark wine in order for the night to take full effect of it. And as a matter of fact, you see the sort of
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breakdown about that when we're in Legion and we start going through this as the power of the well starts to wayne
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or as the uh arkwine is being kept for more people, they don't necessarily die,
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but they become almost undead husks of their former selves. uh something we've seen with the uh curse that uh Kalas
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wound up having with the the power addiction uh that his people suffered, which we could probably talk about that
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a little bit. Um but there there is enough differences between the two that while they are similar in that they were
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not exactly sanctioned creations, they are not on the same power scale
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because they draw power from completely different sources. Another way to look at it is that the power of the Nightwell is not native to
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Azeroth. No, it's not at all. It comes from the eye of Amenthul, which who is certainly a Titan and certainly
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helped shape Azeroth. The Eye of Athl was definitely one of the pillars of creation, but it wasn't nature. You
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know, we've seen this recently with dragon flights. The dragon flights used to take their power from other members
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of the Titan pantheon. Now, they're all basically empowered by the planet itself. The Well of Eternity and the
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Sunwell as the descendant of the Well of Eternity draw their power ultimately from Azeroth. The Nightwell does not,
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which might be why the Sunwell is the thing that they're targeting in
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Midnight. Not just because it's it's got a powerful light thing, although we know it does and we can we'll be talking about that, but because it is actually
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more directly tied to Azeroth, whereas the Nightwell is not. It is a separate
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thing. It is coming. It is been powered by another Titan. Now, the Sunwell was not exactly always
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pristine. Uh, as a matter of fact, there have been several things that have happened around the Nightwell uh that
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are I don't want to say just interesting story-wise. Uh, but it itself has had
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its share of ups and downs. Uh what would you say Matt was probably the the
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worst thing that has happened to it besides the you know dependency that the high elves uh drew from it?
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I mean if we're talking about the Sunwell cuz I thought you said night well there so I was a little confused. Sorry I I meant to say Sunwell. I
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apologize. One of the things about the Sunwell um was I think the the worst thing that ever happened besides the addiction was
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what happened during the Scourge invasion. Um unlike when when um
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when uh Zuljin and uh Captain Evil uh hold on. Yeah. Were trying to attack the
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city and couldn't get past the barrier. Arthus as a former human and a you know
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currently a a minion of the scourge. He had a lot more insight. He'd been to
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Qualos. He'd been like as an allied nation. He'd done visits of state. He
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knew how the giant warting stones worked. Not not like magically speaking.
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He just knew big warting stones. These are what keeps the thing up. These are what keep the rings of the barrier up
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because the barrier of the great shield didn't just have one. It had multiple layers. You you had to penetrate all of
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them. So he when he became he wasn't the Lich King yet, but he was the servant of
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the Lich King at this time. He was a death knight. when he came walking up to uh Qualos, he knew he couldn't get
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through those by himself. So, a guy named Dark Drath was his point of
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weakness. It was his access. And the reason he picked Drather is that Drath was power hungry enough to to deal with
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him and to do what he needed, which is to essentially corrupt each of the warning stones and bring them down. Um
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he without him doing this they couldn't have gotten through. Like this is just a
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fact. Um for one thing they would have lost it just because they were trying to fight Sylvanas and Sylvanas knew all the
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tricks but she didn't know who was exactly in charge of the scourge at the time and that he had managed to contact
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and suborn one of the magesters of Qualos. Uh that because that was unthinkable, right? Why would a magister
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turn on the qualas and help the scourge? Because then, you know, the power that
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they all drew, the power they they lived through was the Sunwell. Like, why would he want to help someone
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get to the Sunwell? Not realizing the answer was so he would be so powerful he would no longer be dependent on um Dra
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Dracon did what he did. He he helped bring down the wardstones. Um Sylvanas ultimately was beaten because she had to
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keep falling back. And when Baron I can never pronounce this word. You just said
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it too. That's what's really embarrassing. Baron Danell. I I don't remember uh how to pronounce it.
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Yeah. Um when that finally was breached,
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that's what led to the death of Sylvanas because Sylvanas wouldn't retreat past a certain point. So S, you know, Arthus
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killed her and raised her as a banshee. And then finally when he got to the Sunwell, he threw Kel Thusad's like
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felactory into the Sunwell which immediately brought him back as a lich because it could now access all that
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arcane power which it then ultimately polluted. Uh which left it, you know, you couldn't access it anymore. It would
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kill you. So when that happened, that's when you get the withered. Uh it's the withered, right? Or is the withered the
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night well ones? Uh withered or the I believe the night well. So, it's the wretched. The wretched. Yeah,
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right. Yeah, the wretched. Either way, I can't remember which is which, but they're functionally the same thing. That basically what would happen was as
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the need for the Sunwell's power uh became stronger, people would be turned
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into like twisted little monstrosities, and they would run around just trying to drain the mana out of anything alive
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that had any. Uh, you know, you've you've seen it before. Basically, they were like 28 days later, but elves. And
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all of that happened because they needed the power of something on the scale of
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the Sunwell to bring a lich back. Because Keelasad needed to not just be a lich. He needed to have full control of
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his powers and capabilities because he was going to be the one to summon the legions, specifically Archamond. It was
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Archamond that was the whole goal this whole time. In order to to pull that off, Keelazog needed to have power on
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the scale of the Sunwell to do so. Yet again, someone's trying to use one of these wells to come through into
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Azeroth. Um, first Saras tried to use the original well of eternity to come through. Then later on, this happens.
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And then after this, Kill Jaden attempts to use the re the, you know, the Sunwell to bring himself through again. So over
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and over again, this is what they're trying to do with these things. They're trying to use them to power um portals
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that would otherwise be impossible to to power in order to step through. So yeah,
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that's that's I think that'd be the worst thing that ever happened to the Sunwell. All right. I don't know if it qualifies
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as the worst thing or one of the worst things that happened to it, but I will say that this is one of the weirdest things to happen. And that is
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I was wondering if you were going to bring that up. Yeah, I'm going to have to bring up Envina because it's not
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Warcraft has a thing where between the manga, the books, and the comics, some
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of the stuff of the olden days didn't make it into canonized lore. And this is
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one that did. Uh A started as I believe it was the manga,
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right? It was uh Yeah, it was the Sunwell trilogy and the manga. Yeah. Yeah. the Sunwell trilogy where after the uh corruption or the attempted
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corruption of the Sunwell, the Sunwell having a conscious thought process
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apparently uh took all of its uh you know energy and distilled it down into
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that of a little girl. Um or wasn't a red dragon involved in that? there. And I was going to say the other
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one is that Coral Straw uh was behind the illusion
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uh secreting away the power of the Sunwell. Uh and then having Aina live
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with a living and doing mother in a small farmhouse somewhere near Torren Mill because everything always happens
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near Torren Mill. If you played vanilla, you'll understand that. Um, in Burning Crusade, Lothar had found out uh about
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the uh the existence of Aina after everything had been said and done uh and
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was trying to at some point keep originally keep her presence a secret
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from Kthos who was just gone on his little merry his adventures in Outland,
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we'll say. Um, and he was worried that the prince would be very brash in any
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decisions he made if he figured it out. But then after a while, Lothar decided, you know what? Why not? Let's just go
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ahead and tell the prince. Maybe it'll get him to come back home cuz he's been gone forever. Uh, and then his
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messengers get Yeah. his messengers get intercepted by uh agents of the Legion. And then Kill
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Jaden finds out that not only does the Sunwell exist, because that was the thing they weren't too sure about to begin with. um that it now is in the
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form of a young woman that they could probably try to hold hostage. Uh and hold hostage they did. So yeah,
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it gets real complicated there. Demon Lord wanted to place uh so Kill
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Jaden wanted Kthos under his control and needed the prince to lose all hope of restoring his kingdom, which meant he
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needed to get AA. Um, and then Kel Jaden ordered the prince to capture AA and
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Muru and weave their energy into a ritual to summon him into our world
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through the Sunwell. Uh, you see, Aina was imprisoned in a field of arcane power uh, with her powers slowly being
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drained into the Sunwell uh, which is where we come in with the Shattered Sun offensive and start sieging the Sunwell
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Plateau. Now the other side of this is Caligos is tied up within all of this as
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well because he meets Envina and falls in love with Envina. So Caligos, a
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dragon who will lit later become the blue dragonfly aspect, fell in love with the Sunwell. Uh it is a weird and
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confusing and roing plot that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Uh and when
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we get there, we don't save the girl, right? We don't save this being. No, no, no, no, no. This being decides to end
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their existence by dumping all of their power back into the Sunwell, which was makes no sense to me because going back
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on it, they were draining her essence into the Sunwell anyway. But she essentially caused the feedback loop
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that that causes Kill Jaden to essentially be killable or banishable. Go ahead. Here's my thing on that one. I've always
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thought this about it. There's a pretty big difference between your essence being drawn out of you and put into it
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and you just returning to a state of existence that you had forever. The Sunwell,
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the Sunwell had a mind and a and an intent before it became envy and it
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might just simply be going back to that state and also, you know, getting
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getting away from all these people who keep trying to kidnap her, which is just, you know, I don't know. I
27:05
will say, however, though, it is one of the stranger stories that World of Warcraft has for us. So, you're done. You're damn right on that one.
27:11
Yeah. Yeah. And the the other interesting too is like in order to purify the well, Muru had to be
27:17
essentially sacrificed. Uh which also this this has led Matt and I to
27:22
countless tinfoil hats, random tangents, and weird things about Naru specifically
27:29
because of this canonical interaction. Like literally the heart of Muru is used
27:34
to purify uh the Sunwell of whatever corruption was there to begin with and return it
27:41
back to its uh unique state. But also, and here's the other thing that they
27:47
never talk about again, not even in Dragon Flight, and I don't understand why this never comes up, but even at the
27:54
end of it, like a little tiny portion of Aina uh or Anvina imbued Kick with a
28:01
portion of herself, like literally leaving a piece of her to live on in his heart. Because I I know I posted this in
28:08
our our Discord channel for us, but I think about this every single time. If you've ever seen Avatar the Last Airbender when uh Saka's girlfriend gets
28:16
turned into the moon and he's trying to explain to it to Zuko, that's rough, buddy. He just literally it's just Yeah, my
28:22
girlfriend got turned into the Sunwell and like it's Calos explaining this to uh Rathon Rathy going that's rough,
28:27
buddy. Because that's all I hear in my head every single time we talk about this. But it's it's just such a it's
28:32
such a left field story and very indicative of like what the time was of Burning Crusade. Like the Sunwell wasn't
28:40
important, but it wasn't clearly defined what that importance was yet. Like at
28:46
this point, and Matt can correct me if I'm wrong, it really very much to me felt like they were treating the Sunwell
28:53
as just the Well of Eternity 2.0 because they didn't really know what direction they wanted to go with it. And
28:59
that's fair. And then we find out so many other things like the uh the high
29:05
elves or now we call them blood elves addiction to power uh that being staved
29:10
off by the Sunwell but then if they're exiled from it or gone too long from it they start turning into withering husks
29:16
of themselves. uh the Sunwell being so tied into the creation of what are now
29:22
blood elf paladins and sort of like learning what the light is and sort of
29:27
like defending of that light are all tied up in it like it's gained
29:33
at least a separate identity compared to the other wells which I think is proper
29:39
the night well benefited from coming later right it was in Legion when the
29:44
night well was really truly introduced They had gone through all of the revisions between the Well of Eternity,
29:51
uh, between it becoming essentially the Maelstrom, uh, between the Sunwell and understanding a little bit more of like
29:58
where they wanted elves to go. The Sunwell didn't the Sunwell's existed since the game launched. Technically,
30:05
um, it just it goes back to Warcraft 3. Really? It does. Even beyond that, doesn't it? It goes beyond Warcraft. I don't know if
30:11
it's actually mentioned in Warcraft 2, but I mean it might have been mentioned in tying material. I just know that it
30:16
really gets mentioned in Warcraft 3. I think it does get mentioned in Warcraft 2, but I think it's more
30:22
generically. This is going to Okay, side a side quest here or side little note in Warcraft 1 and Warcraft 2, they refer to
30:28
the light a lot as a deity. And there are lines, I believe, in Warcraft 2
30:34
where the elven archers, which are high elven archers that are working with the Alliance, not night elves. All elven
30:41
units in Warcraft are Warcraft RTS's are high elves until the third game. Um,
30:47
where they mention something about like fighting for the light or you know, whatever. And it seemed like it was just
30:53
a reference to a generic source of power back home. You never see Qualos. you
31:00
never do anything with Silver Moon City back then. Like it just it's sort of
31:06
handwaved like it's not filled in the blanks the blanks haven't been flushed out yet. So I mean there's the the one thing where
31:12
you you have a chance to at least tease out some idea about it is the fact that Guldon's altars of storms because the
31:19
altars of storms are made from the runstones that powered the warding stones. Um, so essentially he had
31:25
knocked down some of the very same stones that were part of Barendelle uh in order to try and destroy it and it
31:33
didn't work like because you know the the warding stones weren't allowing
31:39
power to come back into them like they were directed outward. You couldn't feed power into them from these
31:47
previous runstones that were now your altars and storms. It was like trying to like plug something into itself to blow
31:53
itself up. It just doesn't do anything. Uh but that's the only thing I can think of and that that's in Warcraft 2 that
32:00
you could think about that cuz you know the burning of Quas happened. Um they they got some of the way into the the
32:07
actual forest Everong forest. They did kill for example most of the Windrunner
32:13
family. Mhm. Um so whilst it was not successful, it
32:18
does seem to set up the concept of the Sunwell, even if it's not actually directly mentioned. Uh they did have
32:25
Barendelle and and they did get the power from somewhere and yeah, we we know now that that power was coming from
32:32
the Sunwell. I think the other problem with the Sunwell was that they actually kind of technically had the high elves
32:38
before they had invented the lore. Yeah. The well of eternity. Yeah. I think that I think well maybe
32:44
not before the well of eternity but definitely before the sun well high elves were I mean I think they invented the lore
32:50
for the well of eternity for Warcraft 3. I don't think they really had much lore for the well of eternity before that
32:56
that game. Well, night els didn't exist before Warcraft 3. Like, they weren't even they weren't even a mention in the
33:01
A lot of this stuff basically just kind of like it's kind of like watching that dominoes thing where you have a bunch of
33:07
bricks on a wall and you knock them down and they all fly down flat like like you know like dominoes but then the last one
33:14
kicks back and then they all kick back and suddenly you have a layer again. I think it's like that where it's like all
33:19
this stuff was set up and none of it was really connected well and then finally somebody like pushed it and they're
33:25
like, "Okay, this now it makes sense." Uh, you know, make it make sense everybody. But definitely I think that
33:30
you're right in that the the Nightwell feels a lot more concretely rooted in
33:35
previous lore than the Sunwell did. The Sunwell felt like just oh, and they have their own well that's that's a that's up
33:43
during the day, you know. And a lot of this is like, and this is not, and we're not throwing
33:48
shade or anything on it. I want to make that perfectly clear. No, it was developed over 20 years, guys. Come on. Even longer, right? Like it's because
33:54
we're going deeper and deeper and deeper. But like this is the epitome of as people who run uh tabletop games. This
34:01
is the epitome of doing it live, right? like it's the choices evolving to take
34:06
on something that you maybe didn't originally intend for it to do and it becoming such an integral part of the
34:13
story and world. Like let's be honest, there's very few players who don't know what the Sunwell is, even those who are
34:21
coming to the game late and even ones that are joining now at the uh the hype
34:26
for Midnight becoming very very real. It's very present. It's right there. You
34:32
understand it. It is an important piece and when we get into Midnight, they're probably going to do some or close to
34:39
midnight, some background explaining or some recapping of why it's important and what it is. That would make logical
34:45
sense as far as I'm concerned. Um, but I want I want to go into the other part of this, which is what would it mean for
34:54
the Sunwell to truly fall? Because I think that that itself is an interesting
34:59
prospect. Why is it why why do we think it's important? And why does
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Zelatas assault, if it is successful here, why it's important? And also why Zealot
35:11
is attacking the Sunwell and not the Nightwell. I first thing I think we should mention when we're talking about this is that one of the weird things
35:17
about the Sunwell is that we already thought it was destroyed once. And of all people, it was Kaleth Sunstrider who
35:26
everyone thought destroyed it cuz when it had been corrupted, he went up to it and said, "I can't purify this." And so
35:32
he used his magic to essentially disperse it. Mhm. And he thought he'd won. And if it
35:39
wasn't of all people, it was again Darthon Direct there or Dra Daron
35:44
Drathier who was the one who first thought, "Wait a minute, how did he destroy it?" I mean, that's not how huge
35:50
fonts of magic power work, which led to the discovery of Anvina by the Scourge.
35:55
Um, the the Legion was looking for it and the Scourge was looking for it and blah blah blah. All of that came out of
36:00
the fact that Kelas failed to blow it up in the first place. Um, I think if it
36:06
falls this time, the reason that this is more complicated is partially the thing I said before about it being the it being an actual powered by Azeroth, but
36:13
the other thing is that it's a Naru in the heart of the Yeah. This is like it's like an amalgamation, isn't it? Like if you
36:19
really consider it. Yeah. And the thing about Naru is they flip. They have a cycle.
36:25
They flip between light and shadow. And that makes the Sunwell pretty similar to
36:31
to Bellamth, the giant underground crystal that flips between light cycle and dark and and shadow. It flips to
36:39
between light and void. And I was thinking about this in relation to we know about the Adami crystals which were
36:45
a series of crystals that were essentially created originally by the Naru. And we don't
36:52
know what they made them from. There was one originally one of the crystals. It was the crystal that, if you don't know
36:57
who Velon is, Velin is the Drani who essentially led his people away from uh
37:03
their home world Argus and kept them from being turned into the demonic Aridar that that we now have. Um, Velon
37:12
had this found this crystal on Argus and it was way older than Dani culture and
37:17
he used it to contact the Naru who came and picked his people up but in the process the crystal was fragmented and
37:24
we had a bunch of different ones. Uh, one of them being leaf shadow if you're familiar with burning crusade lore. Uh,
37:30
leaf shadow is the Ottoma crystal that was used to hide um a Dreni settlement
37:37
uh that eventually got found by the the orcs and wiped out because the Dreni
37:43
used it in front of two orcs uh Orrim Doomhammer and Thrral's dad whose name I
37:51
can't Durotar Durotan sorry not Durotar Durar is the land is the area Durotan um
37:57
Thall's father and those who ultimately used it to reveal uh this hidden
38:04
settlement and ultimately destroy it during the the war between the Horde and the Dreni. All of this is to say the
38:11
various animal crystals all had weird powers based around color and light. And
38:17
if we know anything about Zalot, it's that she is completely unafraid to go to other worlds. And in fact, as a herald
38:24
of Dementius, has probably been to lots of other worlds. And one of the worlds we know Dementius got to at least in
38:31
Avatar form was Outland. So I think that there's a reason related to the fact
38:37
that there is a Naru sleeping in that thing that she is interested in because
38:43
if for no other reason that we know that Naru can convert light into void and
38:48
void into light. So I think that's one possibility we have to and I'm shutting up so you can no like like it's an it is something
38:56
that has has definitely you know crossed my mind and I agree with you. It's also
39:01
fascinating again going back to the whole amalgam thing that like it has so many different pieces right like and
39:09
the original well of eternity water then the power of the the naru and the weird
39:14
cleansing deal that all happened. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And not only that, but it's also one of those things where it's I'm
39:20
trying to think of how to phrase this. The Sunwell has a sentience that was not
39:26
given to the other, right? At least it's not ascribed to it in any capacity anywhere else. We don't hear about the
39:33
Nightwell being uh a conscious entity. We don't hear about the original uh Well
39:40
of Eternity being a conscious entity. Uh the original Well of Eternity, we hear about Aloon, you know, traveling in and
39:47
out of it, doing whatever Aloon did. But the Sunwell has like has always been
39:55
ascribed a sort of intelligence, which is why Aena came to be and this is back
40:00
in Burning Crusade, so this is early. Um and then the the idea that it has the core of a Naru in it, that's another
40:07
cosmic intelligence being given to it. So you have you know multiple pieces of
40:14
intelligence given to it and the fact that it is channeling the light and I think that's one of the the interesting
40:21
things that can't be understated and it has since the very beginning right it's
40:26
always been light tied to the sun tied to the the same sort of energies we see
40:33
being used uh by the uh the why can't I think of their name now the folks underground
40:38
the dwarves No, the the the humans. The Okay. Yeah.
40:44
Well, not just the Arathy though. I mean, there's much closer example of of people who used the light with a solar
40:49
theme. Torren. Yeah. The Sunwalkers. Yeah. We have the Sunwalkers. Their name is Their name is even
40:55
Sunwalker, which is not that far from, you know, star you Sunstrider.
41:01
But but you're you're also walks by day. But you're also right in too in that like again what did the sun
41:07
walkers talk about Ani? They talked about Ani being an intelligent living
41:12
being. So there's this there's level of personage that the Sunball has that the
41:19
others don't. And not just that, but you made a good point here that I think we need to to to talk about for a second. Not only does it
41:25
have a level of, you know, actual being, like I am a being, I have I have a mind,
41:31
it now has the potential to have at least two of them or to have one that is the combination
41:37
of more than one of them. Like what if Anvina and Muru are one thing inside
41:42
that thing now? Yeah. Like they've become something more, which which we can go to Shadowlands and talk about how we've established that that's a thing.
41:48
Yeah. I mean the whole idea of soul fragments and you can take fragmented souls and just jam them together in
41:55
different ways. Uh could they could they have essentially grafted each other together because neither was whole
42:02
anymore? Like that that is something we've seen happen. So yeah, it it is something to consider what and here's
42:09
the thing. Why would that be of importance to Zalat? Cuz that's the
42:14
thing we keep I don't know if we forget it so much as we don't really think about the consequences of the fact that
42:19
the thing inside the the the elf body that we're currently calling Zalat is
42:25
actually only most of the previous Zalat like the bladed the blade that we had as
42:30
Zalot before that that blade was you know it was taken from that but the
42:37
blade still worked the blade was still powerful enough to penetrate the
42:42
carropath pass and allow us to attempt to kill uh an old god. And so it keeps
42:49
coming back to this for me. What what if she's trying to do the same thing we've seen in places like Shadowland? What if
42:56
she wants to graft more to herself? Not just get more powerful, to get more being. Well, you you mentioned that and
43:03
and there's certainly an element of it, right? Like an element of maybe she's trying to become more. But then I get to
43:11
this idea of transformation because that's the other theme that the Sunwell has that the others do not. Right? The
43:17
well of eternity didn't change. It blew up. The night the the the uh night well
43:25
did not change. It just had the eye of Aanthol ripped out of it. Right. It was
43:31
a focusing lens for lay lines. That's all it was. Right. Um, the Sunwell out
43:38
of all of them has transformed thrice at least, right? It went from the water of
43:46
the wells of eternity to being its own thing modified by high arcane magics of
43:51
the Sunw um or Sunstriders. Um, you and it's a really close name, guys.
43:57
Really close. It was distilled into the uh the essence of a living being and
44:02
then that living being was had like a life had a life in memories love. Yeah.
44:08
Yeah. Had a fell in love with a crazy dragon. Hold on. Follow me here on this one now. Lived a life, right? What do we know
44:14
generates from when you live a life? Grows in power. She didn't die. She was
44:20
not killed. She didn't go to the Shadowlands. She distilled her energy back into the Sunwell with all of that
44:27
freshma, lovely freshma right back into there. And she had a lot of very strong
44:34
emotions. And we know that that causes a overabundance of to begin with as well.
44:39
Then you have Muru being tied into the mix as well in being at least distilled
44:45
down and transformed into whatever the current state of the Sunwell is. three times at least three times that the
44:52
Sunwell has changed and transformed and morphed. And with that addition of Muru, like you said, it has the ability to
44:59
understand shadow. I think that Zalot might be looking maybe potentially at
45:06
her own place outside of the cycle and why she's outside. Cuz think about it, she's an a spirit or an entity of some
45:14
type. You know, originally a void entity that was shoved into the carrapase of an old goddess of prison that was given
45:21
freedom, but that freedom basically says that she got shoved into the corpse of an old elf mage, right? She has
45:29
transformed as many times as the Sunwell. She might be looking to transform some more. And maybe, and I
45:35
don't know what the endgame is. I'm not going to sit here and say, "Oh, Zath is there to save us all." But we talk about
45:41
this a lot, right? We talk about there's an endgame that we can't pass possibly
45:46
understand and it very clearly involves the Titans at some point. She might be
45:52
looking to become an a new evolution of what she is. She studied Belladar. She brought Belelladar out of a light cycle
45:58
into a cycle of light and dark, right? We know that she caused that. They literally tell you that. So what if
46:05
she's studying transformation and is looking to evolve herself? And that's why it's important.
46:10
Yeah. I mean, also thing to consider, too, is that in a weird way, the Well of Eternity got blown up, but there's
46:16
obviously a new one because you put the you put the water on a lake and now that lake's full of the same thing, which is
46:22
weird. Uh, but if you think about it this way, the original Well of Eternity was transformative to others.
46:29
Oh, yeah. I can go with that and we can go with the the veil of eternal blossoms. Let's go through both. Yeah,
46:35
they they the waters there transformed things that came into contact with
46:40
the well the Sunwell may be the only one that's ever transformed itself essentially or been transformed and then
46:47
transformed itself again. Like it's sort of like taking what's the the thing about the you know the subtext
46:54
now it's just text. Yeah. Uh the Sunwell feels like it's it's kind of like you know the the subtext is now
47:00
text. uh I change you, I change me. And that could be another thing to think
47:05
about is if somebody wants to change themselves, how better to to to learn how to make that happen than to go to
47:12
the place that has been changed and changed others. And even the Sunwell's
47:19
absence changes things. It changed it changed the high elves into ravening
47:25
mana addicts, you know. So, there is a lot to consider about why she might want
47:31
it, but I definitely think that it makes sense that it would be her target. Um, the very fact that it's got a Naru in
47:37
it, the very fact that it channels light, and we saw what happened when the void elves came into contact with it. It
47:43
went crazy. It was not happy that they were there. It was very much like a get
47:48
out, get out, get out. Was it doing that as a defense mechanism cuz it didn't want to change again? Yeah, cuz it didn't want to go through
47:54
its cycle again. Because again, at the center of it, we have Muru.
47:59
Yeah. So, there's there's a lot of potential for why the Sunwell would be the thing that she's
48:04
going much more so than the Nightwell. The Nightwell is currently essentially inert. Yeah.
48:10
It's it doesn't have the eye of Amenthul the night well technically doesn't exist
48:16
anymore because I mean the structure is still there. The structure is, but the eye of the eye
48:21
of Athl is gone, right? We took it, right? in this fast in the last moments.
48:26
Um and then the eye was being used to focus the lay lines and we know that the
48:32
lay lines are drifting back to their normal positions as is evident by dragon flight. Right? The opening sequence of
48:38
dragon flight is these lay lines essentially moving back to their normal positions and waking stuff up. So
48:45
technically I don't think the night well actually exists. The structure does but
48:51
get to work. Yeah. Yeah. In order to get to work, you'd eventually have to take the eye of aol and put it back and then you'd have to or the focusing
48:57
iris. Yeah, maybe the focusing iris. I don't think the focusing iris would actually do it. I think you need something that
49:03
can actually safely move lay lines. I don't think anything can safely move lay lines. Let's be honest.
49:09
Fairly safely, let's say, cuz you know, less destructive than when they when uh
49:15
when um of all things when Malagos was doing it, he was messing stuff up. And Malagos was empowered by a Titan. Yeah,
49:22
he didn't care. Yeah. So, if he couldn't do it safely,
49:28
uh it's hard to think that anything could do it safely. But we did see that the Eye of Amadul was at least as powerful as Nosmu. So, maybe it could do
49:36
it or maybe it couldn't. I don't know. But right now with the with the night well essentially at best inert and at
49:43
worst just gone. Uh that leaves the the well of eternity on top of Mount Hyel
49:48
which has been monkeyied with in the past and is now extremely hard to get to. Yeah. I was going to say also I don't
49:54
think I of all the places I think that's probably going to be more heavily guarded than the actual Sunwell itself at this point.
50:00
Yeah. Well because I mean you know what did uh both Deathwing and Ragnaros tried
50:05
to use its power. Yep. Um, Archamon tried to absorb its power.
50:11
Um, because he was trying to draw it from the Well, it also it also has something on it that the Sunwell doesn't. There's a
50:17
newish world tree above it, right? Mhm. Or or the same one kind of regrown.
50:23
Yeah. Like we we haven't that that story hasn't been clarified yet, but it the
50:28
Sunworld doesn't have that. It does. There's no big giant world tree. And we both we all know weird giant trees seem
50:35
to have a big deal involving these kind of things. So looking at you um and and
50:42
your girlfriend um that was weird. You guys you guys are weird.
50:47
Uh yeah but I mean like it in terms of like what potential catastrophic event would happen from Zelth getting her
50:53
hands on the Sunwell. The interesting thing is it's one of the rare instances where we don't actually know because
50:59
I have no idea because aside from the immediate effect on the elves that live in that area and
51:05
that land, there's no indication that it would have an effect otherwise, right?
51:10
Like even though it's made out of bits of of of Titan and and bits of uh you
51:17
know sentience and bits of Naru, the only thing we know that it is directly
51:22
tied to is the magics in and around Silver Moon City and Qualas. So maybe
51:29
the revitalization of Qualas stops. Maybe it backslides. Maybe Silver Moon
51:36
starts to crumble because the magics that are powering it, that ambient magic from the Sunwell is no longer there to
51:41
help enable it and keep it going. But the greater part of it affecting the world, we have no idea because nothing
51:48
else really ties to it that we know of. And I'm sure that's going to change. I'm sure at midnight we're going to get more
51:54
information about that. And we're going to see all of the myriad of reasons why the Sunwell falling would be a terrible
51:59
idea because that's the nature of that story, right? Short of the trolls being
52:04
emboldened to wage another war, I can't think of anything. Can you? The only thing I can think of is that
52:11
with the Well of Eternity being essentially replaced by the smaller one and the original one formed into into
52:18
the uh maelstrom, the collapse of a font of power like this could do something similar in that it could punch a hole
52:24
into another reality. Do you think the destruction of the original will of I mean it might be, but it depends
52:30
entirely on what what would it punch to. uh the original Well of Eternity punched
52:35
into essentially um um Deep Home. Like in fact, if you go down into the
52:42
Maelstrom, you end up in Deep Home because that giant pillar that used to the literal pillar, not not one of the
52:48
artifacts from Legion, the pillar that held up the world was right there. Like you when when when he
52:54
uh when a Deathwing punched through, he disrupted all that and that's why it was connected. Would that happen again?
53:01
Would the would the if the Sunwell was hit in such a way, could you punch a
53:07
hole into another elemental plane? Would you want to would you be limited to all elemental planes or could you guess
53:13
somewhere else? Um I don't think the other thing that come to mind too is that we only know of one we know of a
53:20
place that links to Zerith Mortise on Azeroth. Yep. We do. That's the only one we know of.
53:26
Yep. We don't know any of the other places that connect to any of the other zeriths, but if you're looking for a
53:33
candidate to be possibly connected to Zerith Ordis, the Sunwell is a pretty good bet.
53:38
I mean, and we do often associate light and order together and with it being a font of light. Yeah,
53:44
there could be something there. Plus, there's also Titan facilities not that far away from it. Yeah, but I feel
53:50
like I feel like I feel like we we are at that point now where saying the Titan facilities aren't very far away from
53:55
blank is like you're just kind of shooting at a dart board because they're they're all or or it's bingo or you know
54:01
it's bingo Titan facility not too far away. But I mean I do think that it's worth pointing out that not just that
54:07
there's a Titan facility near it but that the the way the Sunwell was
54:12
constructed, why is it on an island? Why was it not actually in Quailthos? Why
54:18
did they take it north? Why put it on Queldon? I I definitely think there's a
54:23
reason for that. And I think maybe that might be another thing we're going to find out, especially with the Haraneer
54:29
being part of Midnight because the Harir know stuff they are not telling us. Yeah. And I think you that's another
54:35
interesting point too, right? Like what do the herin know that we don't? And I mean very clearly the heraneer have a
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tradition keeping alive stories or knowledge that we have long since forgotten. And the heraneer are very I
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don't want to say very clearly cuz I'm not playing in the alpha and and and we haven't gotten there yet. So I don't
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know any truth of the validity of the statement but I do believe from the very first time any of us saw it and I'm not
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unique in this. They are the they look like the missing link between night troll and night elf. And if that is the
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case, they may have more cultural knowledge than even the elves do because
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the elves seem to have forgotten about their time as night trolls. And I think
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that's intentional, almost like a scrubbing of that part of their existence. And when you do that, you tend to erase
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mythology, uh, thought processes or learned stories that may have been
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relevant because they weren't from air quote you. And the heriner may have
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access to that. They may know more about they may understand the Sunwell better than the elves themselves and what it
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means to Azeroth and how it communicates or ties in with the ecosystem of Azeroth. Well, here's another thing, too. We
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don't know why that place was chosen and we don't even know like we've never seen
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the creation of the Sunwell. No, there's nothing in game. There's no books that that have actually other than
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like you know and then they created the Sunwell. There's no narrative passages. Yeah. Nothing canonical. I think there's
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technically something in the RPG book that shows it, but there's nothing like explicitly that says yes, this is the
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actual Yeah. And as a result, we don't know anything about why Dathramar
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chose that. And the fact that Dathmar's last name is so close to Sun Walker,
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like Sunstrider Sun Walker, it's practically the same thing. The more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm like,
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wait a minute. Aloon was said to be born in the Well of Eternity, come out at
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night, go through the sky, and descend back into the Well of Eternity. But the
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torin and others believed in both aloon uh or aparro and an
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and an is the sun. Did the sun go up and down
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in the sun? Well, like is this is this site a site that was used previously for
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something? And is it is it important because the mythology informed the belief and therefore the belief made it
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a place of importance because we've seen that as a theme as well in in Warcraft as well. And for that matter, all this
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stuff can be true. Like, or at least some of it can be. Like, it doesn't have to be one or the other. It could be
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multiple things. Like, did Datamar choose it because it suited myth? Did it suit Myth because it was actually the
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sight of something? Is it a lay line that that exists? Or here's another interesting one, and I
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want to I want to end with this one. Um because we're running out of time here and this has been on my mind recently
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too is does the Sunwell have a direct interaction with the Iraqi Empire because where the Arai founded on an
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like maybe an adjacent point that this lays on because they have a lot of the
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similar mythology or at least from what we learn from the Arathy it and I said this to you and I said this before we
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even got into the war within the Arathy reminded me of high elves.
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Well, I mean, they're straight from are high elves. Yeah. There's even like one high elf.
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He's a straightup high elf on the expedition that we meet when we're down there. He's he's like the one who's like
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was her effectively her adoptive father. He's a high elf. Like there's just no way around it. Some of the Arai are
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descended from them. Some of them just are. Yeah. You know, the oldest ones because, you know, they live a long freaking time.
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And the thing is is that with Bellameth as this thing that was calling out to
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their emperor, I'm starting to wonder if Bellameth is on the Bellar. Sorry. Yeah. Bellarometh.
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Belth is the city. Yeah. Yeah. But Belladar could be like directly in between if you go through
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the planet, right? Instead of traveling on the surface, what if you go straight from the Sunwell
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straight down? You could smack straight into Belelladar and then the go keep going past it and you come out on the
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other side and you're now in the Arathe and that's why the Arathy went there because the high elves among them were
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called there because the sun would lead them there and that's what maybe that's why Dramar the Sunstrider went to the
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one he went to because he was called to it. Yeah. So that's one possibility too. There's a lot of possibilities. I think
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we're going to find some weird links with the Arathy. It just my gut tells me this and we're going to see some some
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weird Arathy and some blood elf uh give and take. Like we saw that the army of
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light shows up in the the trailer. I would be absolutely chuffed and and and
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I would be surprised, but I would cheer if Arai w up showing up as well. But we'll see. That's neither here nor
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