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Is Midnight the Elf-centric team-up expansion of our dreams, or what? That's the listener question which serves as our jumping off point this week. And our cohosts conclude: Yes, mostly! Indeed, Midnight is the elf-o-rama we've always wanted -- nay, deserved. Matt, Joe, and Eric point out some of their shared elf-y foibles (must we always have a singular, vulnerable font of power that serves as both anchor and crutch?). Speaking of, is Silvermoon City just where all the elves are going to live now? And if so, how will that shake out if (when) the tensions between the Horde and Alliance inevitably boil over?
Plus, where's Azshara at? Naga are basically wet elves, and if anyone has a score to settle with some jumped-up cutlery, it's her.
If you want even more background story, we also have a guide to every Warcraft book in chronological order (for those of you who prefer reading that way).
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Hello and welcome to Lore Watch round
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table free form discussion about lore in
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your favorite media. I'm your host Joe
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Perez, one of several lore focused folks
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from Blizzard watch and I've got my
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stalwork companions with me as always
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the magnanimous or wonderful
0:26
barbariancoded man Matt Rossy. How you
0:28
doing today Matt? Uh, apparently I'm
0:30
feeling very generous.
0:31
>> You usually are. Uh, and joining us from
0:34
the depths of his studies and raising
0:36
his head from the archives, uh, Eric OD.
0:39
How you doing, Eric?
0:40
>> I'm good, Joe. I'm hanging out in your
0:41
house.
0:42
>> That like you're doing like what you're
0:43
doing in the place.
0:44
>> That makes a whole lot of sense.
0:48
>> Library makes sense that I'm here.
0:50
>> Break into his actual house. Well, which
0:52
is very funny because I I recently
0:54
decided to, and we'll probably talk
0:55
about this on the main podcast,
0:57
completely nuke my player housing uh
0:59
from what I had and start over uh
1:02
because I had a bit of inspiration. And
1:05
uh one of the things is a hidden library
1:07
sanctuary that I I have put into the
1:10
home. So, I'm very excited about
1:12
>> It's quite nice. I'm hanging out there
1:13
now.
1:14
>> Yeah. All right. Well, friends, we're
1:15
not here to talk about that this week.
1:17
Instead, we are here to answer more of
1:19
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1:22
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1:24
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1:51
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1:53
we tend to look there first as a way of
1:55
saying thank you for helping us keep the
1:57
lights on. This week, we have another
1:59
gaggle of questions from our friend
2:01
Meron, who gave us several weeks worth
2:03
of questions. But these ones are all
2:05
tied up in sort of the same genre, the
2:08
same wheelhouse of what's going on
2:10
currently in game. And this is your
2:13
spoiler warning. We are going to be
2:15
talking about what happens throughout
2:17
the entirety of the opening campaign
2:20
chapters one through current end of the
2:22
the raid uh and what happens after in
2:26
midnight. If you have not completed
2:28
those, have not done the the story mode
2:30
quests or watch the cinematics, you're
2:32
going to want to go ahead and either
2:34
come back to us later, uh, or maybe you
2:36
don't care about spoilers and you want
2:38
to join us for this ride. So, I'm going
2:40
to start by going through the question
2:42
and then we're going to start answering
2:43
them as we can. And this will probably
2:46
lead to some wild speculation and some
2:48
weird tin foil hats, which I know all of
2:50
you are super sad about, I'm sure. Um, a
2:54
few months ago I asked whether Midnight
2:56
would end up being that long awaited elf
2:58
expansion. And in a way, we really did
3:01
get Qualas and the Blood Elves, Zulleon
3:04
and the elf haters, Artor the half- elf
3:07
paladin, uh, Hariner and the proto
3:10
elves, uh, Telugas and the void elves,
3:13
and on top of that, we got that
3:14
incredible ending cut scene for the
3:16
opening campaign. So, my questions are
3:19
as follows. I understand this may not
3:22
have been the elf campaign we were
3:24
looking for, but do you guys think that
3:26
we can say it ended up being a very
3:29
elf-centered campaign, especially now
3:31
with this ending? Uh, we'll we'll start
3:33
with that one and then we'll go into the
3:34
other questions, I guess, cuz that one I
3:36
think is pretty pretty meaty on its own.
3:38
Uh, Eric, what do you think?
3:40
>> I mean, it was certainly very elfy. Um,
3:42
it was more Elfy than any of the other
3:45
races. Um, was it what we were looking
3:47
for? I mean, depends on what you were
3:49
looking for. or was it the whole entire
3:52
thing? It wasn't really. They had a lot
3:54
going on in this opening patch and the
3:56
opening story. There was a lot about
3:59
uniting the elves across the different,
4:02
you know, subtypes. Um, as we kind of
4:05
knew going in, uh, from I think it's all
4:08
the way back in the 2023 BlizzCon when
4:11
we first heard what the World Soul
4:13
trilogy was going to be, I'm pretty sure
4:14
that the, you know, uniting the elves
4:16
was in there. So, um, and the other
4:19
thing is I don't know if we're done. You
4:20
know, we've got plenty of midnight left.
4:22
So, maybe this was some of the elf
4:26
campaign and maybe we'll go off and do
4:28
something else and then keep working at
4:29
it, you know. Um, I don't I don't feel
4:32
like we've solved all the problems
4:33
between all the elves and everybody's
4:36
forgiven everybody and everybody's on
4:37
the same page. But I do feel like uh
4:40
yeah, if you were if you were hoping for
4:42
a ton of elf stuff in uh in Midnight,
4:45
then hopefully you were pretty happy
4:47
with that because that was that was a
4:49
lot. Matt,
4:50
>> I felt like they've been doing elf
4:52
expansions since Legion because Legion
4:55
had two zones that were extraordinarily
4:57
elfie plus Suramar which you know elfie
5:00
elfie elfie
5:02
and you got at the end of it two allied
5:06
races that were elves.
5:08
>> So Legion felt pretty elfish. Um, Battle
5:13
for Azeroth, not so much, but I don't
5:15
think you can argue Dragonflight
5:16
certainly had a decent chunk of elf in
5:19
it as well. And the end of Dragon
5:21
Flight, the last patch is just Elathon.
5:25
>> Mhm.
5:25
>> I mean, right up to the whole Bellameth
5:28
and Mutrasil. Um, so then the war within
5:31
happened and we got a break. We we we
5:33
got a like a not an entire break because
5:36
the Arthur, you know, the the Arai show
5:38
up and they're half elves. Um, so there
5:42
was that. But I feel like is this
5:45
certainly pretty high elf content? Yeah,
5:47
I I definitely would give it. It's one
5:50
of the higher amounts of elf content
5:52
that we've gotten in a while. But I
5:56
don't know that I would say it's the elf
5:58
expansion or even just the elf patch I
6:01
was looking for or even that it's not
6:03
the elf patch that I was looking for. I
6:05
just feel like it's more it's tying up
6:07
elements that are tied to elves whether
6:11
or not it would it just would not have
6:14
made sense to not talk about at least
6:15
some of them. Uh the haraneer that's a
6:17
different kettle of fish. I feel like
6:20
the carer the the haraneer I I want more
6:23
about them specifically not just the you
6:26
know their their quest for their god who
6:28
may or may not be any one of a certain
6:31
you know candidates. Um, but I would
6:34
love to see more of them and the trolls.
6:36
Honestly, I definitely want an expansion
6:38
that deals with the fact that elves and
6:39
trolls really need to start acting like
6:41
they're not completely separate people.
6:44
Um, we never really got there, but I
6:47
feel like at some point somebody has to
6:49
be the one to step up and go, you know,
6:52
these these guys are just deformed
6:54
trolls, right? You get that, right? Like
6:56
they're just they're just trolls lacking
6:57
certain features. They kind of got rid
7:00
of the teeth and they kind of got rid of
7:01
the the crouching. And crouching isn't
7:04
even a it's not even a it's it's just a
7:06
thing you do. I'm just crouching. It's
7:08
not like that's genetic.
7:10
We're very tall and we crouch. I don't
7:13
think that this is So yeah, I I I feel
7:15
like there's more stuff I would like to
7:17
see, but I was pretty happy with it so
7:20
far. Um I I've actually got multiple
7:23
elves ready to go at this point. I'm
7:24
going to be elfing my way through this
7:26
thing. I think it's just going to be
7:27
elves for me for a while. Uh I've got a
7:30
lot of elves car. I didn't even realize
7:32
I was doing this until I this question
7:35
came up in the email and I was thinking
7:36
to myself, how many playable elves do I
7:38
actually have right now? And I'm like
7:40
I've got like a couple for everything.
7:41
I've got like at least two night elves.
7:43
I've got I know I've got one void elf. I
7:46
know I've got like two hibborn. I've got
7:50
one blood elf. Uh I don't I obviously
7:52
don't have a half elf cuz I can't. But
7:55
if they ever put them in, I I'll start
7:57
one right away, I'm sure. Um, so yeah, I
8:01
I I think it is certainly high elf
8:03
content. I would if like if it was a
8:05
breakfast cereal, it would say, you
8:06
know, supplies your daily recommended
8:08
dose of elves, you know.
8:10
>> Yeah. I I So there's a lot here to sort
8:13
of unpack and I I think people are going
8:15
to feel strongly about it one way or
8:17
another. This expansion was probably way
8:20
more elfcentric than I think people
8:22
realize uh going into it. we kind of
8:25
suspected it was going to be uh you can
8:27
go back and listen to some of the older
8:28
lore watches and even some of the main
8:30
podcast and you know Matt and I met Matt
8:34
myself and Eric um we've all sort of
8:38
kind of saw this coming a little bit
8:40
where we're going to Silver Moon. Silver
8:44
Moon's being rebuilt. Silver Moon is a
8:47
culturally important city for the elves.
8:52
Um, it's not necessarily, you know, Zen
8:55
Azari. Um, which also is significant in
8:59
and of itself because let's not forget
9:01
Naga are elves as well. Um, it
9:05
>> dude, the second they manage to get the
9:06
Naga to show up and start talking about
9:08
being part of the elven community, I
9:10
will be so confusedly happy. I don't
9:13
>> It's funny you mentioned that. So, this
9:15
is where I'm kind of going with it. Um
9:18
it it with all the elves coming
9:20
together, it sort of made sense, right?
9:22
While the Alliance mustered its army,
9:25
because remember the Alliance army is
9:28
not a standing army. There are military
9:31
forces and like naval presences, but
9:33
they're all disperate groups, disperate
9:36
kingdoms underneath one banner. And in
9:40
the case of like Stormwind, a lot of the
9:42
folks that wind up joining into those
9:44
military actions are not career uh
9:48
soldiers. They're minute. They're
9:51
they're militia. They're they're
9:52
conscripted people that wind up getting
9:54
drafted into the armies. And so it takes
9:57
time to do that. Um, the elves on the
10:00
other hand are ripe off a campaign of
10:05
essentially founding a new world tree
10:09
and elven capital. Bellameth for, we've
10:13
talked about this before, is an elven
10:14
capital. It might be the elven capital,
10:17
maybe rivaled by Silver Moon. We'll talk
10:19
about that in a minute. Um, but all
10:22
elves have been welcomed there. All of
10:24
them. And when you get to the the heart
10:27
of the issue here, yes, the army of
10:29
light showed up first because they
10:31
teleported through the the the the sun,
10:33
well, uh can't really go faster than the
10:35
speed of light. Uh otherwise, you're
10:37
moving backwards in time if you
10:38
subscribe to Einstein's theory of
10:39
relativity. um you the elves are the
10:43
most likely candidates to be ready to go
10:46
and help whether it's the silver
10:48
covenant which is a military force who
10:51
is recovering uh from what they
10:54
perpetrated and what happened to them
10:56
especially with the loss of dollar. Uh
10:59
you have the night elves who are ready
11:01
and raring to go uh after their last
11:04
establishment underneath, you know,
11:06
Maleith and getting Amad Amadel back up
11:08
and running fighting against fire and
11:11
and everything else there cuz they were
11:12
present for that canonically. Um and
11:15
then you have your high elves and you
11:17
have your blood elves and you have your
11:18
void elves and you have all these groups
11:20
that are generally always on alert
11:23
because they don't have a choice and
11:24
they keep going from crisis to crisis.
11:26
But now Silver Moon is in peril. And not
11:30
just in peril, it's the first domino in
11:32
a potential worldending cataclysmic
11:35
event. Uh they care about it. The world
11:38
is where they keep their stuff. They're
11:39
going to show up. And
11:42
I thought that the story revolving
11:44
around them not only just setting aside
11:46
certain differences because some of it
11:48
isn't set aside. Um the Sun Reavers and
11:52
the the Silver Covenant as an example,
11:55
they are they have a ceasefire, but they
11:59
will never forget and they will never
12:00
forgive what they did to each other.
12:03
>> They're holding their noses right now.
12:05
>> Yeah.
12:05
>> It's kind of like I can I'm going to
12:08
ignore you while this is happening, but
12:10
once this is over, you and me and like
12:12
oh yeah, I'll come kick your butt when
12:14
we're done. Yeah. But
12:15
>> I think it's a little I think it's even
12:16
beyond that. I think it's it's more of a
12:19
we will never forgive or forget, but we
12:21
can move forward. And I saw Eric Light
12:23
out there. I don't know if you have
12:24
anything to add to that one.
12:25
>> Yeah. It's like I'm here to help you,
12:27
but I don't like you. And it's like, you
12:28
said that out loud. Did you mean to say
12:30
that out loud? Yes, I said it out loud.
12:31
I don't like you. Let's do this.
12:33
>> Yeah. Uh and the void elves, the same
12:35
thing. Like the the whole idea with like
12:37
Umbrich and and and Magister Romath.
12:40
>> Romoth and Umbrich, there are like
12:43
almost a comedy duo. Like there's like a
12:46
not it's funny in the way that it's
12:49
snappish and witty and they're both like
12:52
hold they're again I use the holding
12:53
your nose thing. You could tell Ramath
12:55
is one twitch away from just telling
12:59
Umbrich to go you know do something
13:01
anatomically impossible and Umbrich is
13:03
loving it.
13:04
>> Yeah is loving it. Like the party goes
13:08
actually it's magister Umbrich. Thank
13:10
you. Yeah, I I I I find that
13:12
relationship very fun because it is they
13:17
are very much and and I know a lot of
13:18
people say this on the internet, they
13:20
are definitely couple coded where one is
13:22
definitely trying to to grind the gears
13:24
of the other one intentionally, but they
13:26
both have this like begrudging respect
13:29
for each other. Um, and it becomes very
13:31
apparent when you get to the end of
13:32
their story as well when you do the post
13:34
campaign stuff where you're witnessing
13:36
like the signing of the ceasefire
13:39
between the Sun Reavers and the Silver
13:41
Covenant when uh Roma is giving Umbrich
13:44
and the void elves a permanent embassy
13:48
in Silver Moon. They are now no longer
13:51
outsiders. They're welcomed in. Um, you
13:54
know, and and this whole idea of the
13:57
night elves talking with the blood elves
14:00
about you no longer need to rely on the
14:03
power of a Sunwell. We know how that
14:06
goes. Which may be a little I I don't
14:10
want to say I I don't know what the word
14:11
is I'm looking for. um hypocritical I
14:14
guess because they literally have
14:16
>> patronizing
14:17
>> patronizing maybe but there there's an
14:19
element of hypocrisy there because they
14:20
literally have a brand new world tree
14:22
and night elves have a nasty tendency of
14:24
messing things up because of world trees
14:26
we have this
14:27
>> gone wrong with one of the world trees
14:29
>> nothing's ever gone wrong with the world
14:30
tree
14:30
>> but I do think that there's actually a
14:31
the you said we're going spoilers so I'm
14:34
just gonna spoil really hard here
14:36
>> the creation of the Dawnwell is like
14:40
it's like elves tripling down on their,
14:43
you know, we like to have big magical
14:46
pools to deal with our problems.
14:48
>> Yes and no.
14:49
>> No, I'm I'm not saying this is in a bad
14:51
way. I think it's actually really great
14:54
that even the they bring in even the
14:56
void elves to contribute to the new
14:58
Dawnwell. It's like we we've our biggest
15:00
problem we've had is that we keep
15:01
selecting magical fonts of power, but
15:04
why don't we try selecting a magical
15:06
font of power that calls on everything
15:08
everything we get our hands on? like
15:10
we'll get we'll go with the void. We'll
15:13
go with you know it just I loved it just
15:16
as a concept of they don't give up being
15:19
elves.
15:20
>> It it it does something it does
15:22
something that I think is is also really
15:24
interesting too in that moment which is
15:27
uh it's not about reigniting a source of
15:31
power. It's about putting that power in
15:33
a balanced state which I think is really
15:35
really interesting. So it's one of the
15:38
problems that and we've talked about
15:40
this before.
15:41
The well of eternity, the sun well, uh
15:45
the night well, all of these things are
15:48
very very powerful, very very
15:51
imbalanced.
15:52
They're they're not a system in perfect
15:55
equilibrium, which is how they can be
15:56
exploited. The Dawnwell takes elements
16:00
of everything, the void, the light, that
16:04
which was remembered of the past in
16:05
history. um basically all of these
16:09
elements and essentially puts it into a
16:12
a stasis, a balance. So it it's the
16:16
first time they've done something like
16:18
this that isn't necessarily
16:22
a a font of power anymore. It's
16:26
neutralized and more symbolic, which I
16:28
think is really really interesting and
16:29
cool. Um but yes, it is a very elfie
16:33
story up to this point. And the one
16:35
thing I want to say is I don't think
16:36
it's done. And the reason I say I don't
16:39
think it's done is there are certain
16:40
groups of elves that were not present
16:43
for this that still have yet to be I
16:46
don't want to say integrated but 100%
16:49
would show up and will show up. One uh
16:53
the Naga were on the coast of uh Qualas.
16:57
They're doing something. They're looking
16:59
for something. They were they were
17:01
enslaving snails and smuggling goods.
17:04
Why? Ashara doesn't do anything for no
17:07
reason. Um, so why were they there? Were
17:10
they just there to see what was going on
17:13
and get reports back so that they knew
17:15
what was happening with? Because I feel
17:17
like Ajara would be interested in an
17:19
elven seed of power and what's going on
17:21
there. She's invested in it. The
17:23
Heraneir, we haven't even begun to
17:25
explore their story. We have bits and
17:28
pieces of it at most. uh we have to
17:31
explore their origins, how they came
17:33
through uh to you know where they came
17:35
from and followed the call of the
17:37
goddess and you know in there's some
17:40
questions in here that we'll get to that
17:41
that ask specifically about that and
17:43
maybe it's time for me to to break into
17:45
those questions as well but we're not
17:47
done yet and we still have still have
17:49
the Arathy which are half elves they're
17:51
still elves and we know we're going to
17:54
deal with the Arathy uh Faren Lothar was
17:56
there she was at the Sunwell defending
17:59
it. She's there at the end when
18:01
everything is getting cleaned up when
18:02
when the Dawnwell is created. She's
18:04
present and I think it's only a matter
18:07
of time before the Arai show up and we
18:09
have to deal with that as well. But I'm
18:12
going to get into the rest of these
18:14
questions cuz I think we're going to
18:14
have a bunch of wild speculation uh
18:17
potentially around these ones. So the
18:18
second part was, is it possible to say
18:20
that Silver Moon is the capital of all
18:21
the elves? Now, uh, the third question
18:24
is, if a fifth war eventually happens,
18:26
what do you think will be the role of
18:28
Silver Moon on conflict between Alliance
18:30
and Horde, something like Doaron was?
18:33
Uh, and four, I was happy to I was
18:35
genuinely happy to see that old
18:36
character's return. I really was, but do
18:38
you not think Azara should have made at
18:41
least a small appearance in Midnight as
18:42
well? Where are the Naga, also known as
18:45
Fishy Elves? And then the last one. I
18:47
know Dragon Flight was only a few years
18:49
ago, but do you think the Heronire story
18:50
would benefit from stronger Caldori
18:52
connections? To me, the Harers still
18:55
feel a bit disconnected from the broader
18:56
lore, and the Night Elves could serve as
18:59
a great bridge between them and the
19:00
people of the surface. So, all this is
19:03
kind of what we're talking about, and
19:04
I'll let you guys go in there uh and
19:06
give your your your uh what you want to
19:09
say. What What do you think? Um but I do
19:12
think it's safe to say that I don't
19:13
>> go first. I went last time.
19:14
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead, Eric.
19:17
>> I I don't know if Silver Moon can be the
19:21
capital of all elves just because could
19:25
it could there ever be like a true
19:26
capital where they're all welcome no
19:28
matter what? And like like you bring up
19:30
a possible fifth war right away. Like
19:32
that changes stuff like when you have a
19:34
war and you have embassies of the other
19:37
faction, you like you're not nice to
19:39
them anymore. You kick them out. So
19:40
like, yeah, I could see it one future
19:44
track going down where Silver Moon is
19:46
where all elves are welcome and
19:48
eventually we do get some more of those
19:50
groups that you mentioned, Joe, that we
19:52
haven't heard from yet and it becomes
19:53
more like a hub. Then I could also see,
19:57
you know, we we get rid of the next two
20:00
or three big bad antagonists that unite
20:04
all the factions of the world and then
20:06
there's some resource or some conflict
20:09
and we get a fifth war and we go
20:11
backwards and we start fracturing again.
20:13
So it I I think it it could be, but I
20:17
don't think it's guaranteed. I don't
20:18
think that the events of Midnight so far
20:19
mean that for sure now that we have
20:22
Silver Moon as this beacon on the top of
20:24
the hill where any elf can come no
20:26
matter what happened. Um, do you guys
20:28
feel that same way or do you think it
20:29
could be?
20:31
>> Matt,
20:32
>> I think the issue here is that we don't
20:35
need another night, another elf capital
20:38
because we have Bellameth uh and that
20:41
sort of sort it's already sort of
20:43
serving that purpose. But I think that
20:46
uh Silver Moon is essentially the front
20:47
lines right now.
20:49
>> And when you're having a ideological
20:51
cosmic war in your backyard where you
20:54
had to literally like you lost something
20:58
that was of immense importance to your
20:59
people after just getting it back a few
21:01
years ago uh and had to make something
21:04
new. I I think that Silver Moon is
21:07
essentially becoming, for lack of better
21:09
word, it's an like icon of resistance
21:11
and it's also an icon of the practical
21:14
application of what they did in
21:16
Bellameth as an ideological idea.
21:19
Bellameth, you know, has all the
21:21
different elf groups are welcome to come
21:22
there, but it's still pretty heavily
21:25
night elf.
21:26
>> Mhm.
21:27
>> Silver Moon's counterbalance. It's not a
21:30
place where everyone would feel like you
21:33
you don't feel as compelled to worry
21:35
about the way night elves think about
21:37
things. It's got more perspectives to
21:40
it. Um while at the same time it is run
21:42
by blood elves. Blood elves always feel
21:45
a little bit less likely to care what
21:48
you're doing with your life or your your
21:50
person your personhood as long as things
21:52
are getting taken care of. Um, so that's
21:55
the first thing and I definitely think
21:56
that it's it's more on a emergency war
21:59
footing where people are like you we got
22:01
to get this we got to keep pushing. We
22:04
got to keep it going. We have to make
22:06
this place someplace that other people
22:08
will defend. Um, and I think that's kind
22:11
of where we are right now. Could Silver
22:13
Moon become the capital of all elves? I
22:15
don't think they're going to have just
22:16
one.
22:17
>> Yeah.
22:17
>> I think what you'll end up with is that
22:19
I don't know if people really realize
22:20
this. Bellameth is the closest to Silver
22:23
Moon of any place it's close to. It's
22:26
it's it's closer to Silver Moon than
22:28
Colulterus is. It's closer to Silver
22:31
Moon than any of the other islands are.
22:34
It's honestly going from Bellamth to
22:37
Silver Moon if you don't have magic. If
22:39
you're just traveling on a on a griffin
22:41
or taking a boat, it's a much closer
22:44
straight line journey than even Silver
22:46
Moon is to like say Stormwind. And it's
22:51
way closer than, of all places, Suramar
22:55
or any of the Horde capitals aside from
22:57
Unders City. Unders City is the only
22:59
place that's closer. And Unders City is
23:02
still kind of repairing. And yeah, I
23:04
mean, there's history there, but not all
23:06
of it's good. Um, so in a weird sort of
23:08
way, Bellamoth and Silver Moon have a re
23:11
there's a real chance here that the two
23:13
places will become one place at least,
23:16
if not really, there will be an
23:19
ideological shift and you'll see people
23:22
moving from one to the other as they see
23:25
fit, especially if they want to do
23:27
certain things.
23:28
>> Yeah,
23:29
>> there's a lot of potential for
23:31
effectively they they become like poles
23:35
around an axis. Yeah, I think that's I
23:37
think that's the most likely scenario
23:39
with it. I don't think elves are going
23:41
to have a true capital any I think what
23:44
you're going to wind up seeing is that
23:46
the three elven uh staples, I guess
23:49
we'll call them now. The three elven
23:50
cities are going to be Bellameth, Silver
23:53
Moon, and if we're going to talk about
23:55
it, it's going to be Suramar, right?
23:57
These three are the largest now elf
24:00
concentration populations on Azeroth
24:03
that we know of outside of the Arai
24:05
Empire. if you count it, but we don't
24:07
know the size of that. I also think that
24:08
elves have learned a very valuable
24:10
lesson over the series of uh 10,000
24:15
years that we've that they've been at
24:16
it. Capital cities are bad. Capital
24:19
cities in having a single point of
24:21
failure will inevitably be exploited.
24:24
And every single elf has learned that
24:29
lesson, right? Suramar fell to the
24:32
Legion and had to be sieged. And it is
24:34
still not fully rebuilt after the after
24:36
Legion. It's still in the process of it.
24:38
Silver
24:39
>> got wiped out.
24:40
>> Darnasses doesn't exist anymore. Uh
24:43
Bellammath is brand new and still being
24:45
built. Like you go there, there's as
24:47
many tents, if not more tents than
24:49
permanent structures, and it's very much
24:51
open and green and and like not a city
24:55
quite yet. Um and then you go to Silver
24:59
Moon. Silver Moon has spent decades
25:03
being rebuilt after Arthus' campaign
25:06
against it, after it fell to the
25:08
scourge. The land has been spending
25:10
decades repairing itself and being
25:13
revitalized.
25:14
And I think that is them learning at
25:18
this point that you can't just have one
25:20
city for all the elves. It's better to
25:22
have multiple points because think about
25:23
it this way, too. You can magically
25:25
connect all those cities. Technically,
25:27
they already are. And whether you're
25:29
using the lay lines or elven magic to
25:32
teleport between them, you could set up
25:34
a network where, let's say, Suramar
25:37
starts to fall again, they can retreat
25:39
to Silver Moon. Let's say Bellameth is
25:42
under uh under attack. Well, we know
25:44
that they can establish a portal between
25:45
Silver Moon and and Bellameth without
25:47
any problem because they did it in the
25:50
campaign. We saw them do it without any
25:53
resistance despite the fact that
25:55
Bellamth is a protected zone, right? Um,
25:59
Silver Moon, same thing. So, all these
26:01
you have these fall back points. You
26:04
have these things where,
26:06
>> you know, they can now rotate between
26:08
the three of them. And I think that's
26:10
more what you're going to see.
26:11
>> I think it's definitely a case of at
26:13
this point, elves have had the lesson of
26:15
getting all your eggs in one basket
26:17
means you end up with a basket full of
26:19
smashed eggs. They've had this lesson
26:21
multiple times now. They've had it, like
26:24
you said, 10,000 years ago, and then
26:26
they had it recently. Um, between the
26:28
fall of Darnasses, all the stuff that's
26:30
happened to Silver Moon where it's
26:32
almost fallen like three times. Um,
26:35
between everything that happened to
26:36
Suramar, these every pretty much every
26:39
major elf faction on the planet has
26:41
learned that it's very hard if you only
26:46
have one fall back. It just isn't going
26:48
to work. you end up getting pushed to
26:51
it. So, I I I think that's part of the
26:54
reason why I don't think either is the
26:56
capital, but I also don't think elves
26:58
have ever been particularly the
27:00
capital-minded. Um, the blood the night
27:02
the high elves when they made Silver
27:04
Moon were just thinking about
27:05
themselves. They knew there were other
27:07
elves and they weren't thinking about
27:08
them. It was this was their place, not
27:11
everybody's. Um, and a lot of what
27:14
happened here this time is about the
27:15
void elves and the high elves being
27:18
recognized by the blood elves as their
27:20
people.
27:21
>> Mhm.
27:21
>> Like these, you know, that's my cousin
27:23
over there. Like literally my mom's
27:26
sister's son and I'm acting like, you
27:29
know, that's complete stranger. you
27:31
know, yria. Like, imagine being a blood
27:34
elf and you grow up in places where
27:36
there's stories of the of the Windrunner
27:39
sisters, none of whom are considered
27:41
blood elves.
27:42
>> Yeah, they're all high elves.
27:43
>> You're telling me that we don't have any
27:45
Windr Runners anymore, but there
27:47
multiple ones are alive? Well, okay. One
27:49
of them is not really alive, but you
27:50
know,
27:51
>> and it wasn't generations ago either.
27:52
Like, some of them a lot of them a lot
27:55
of the high elves existed before blood
27:57
elves were even a thing.
27:58
>> Almost all of them did.
28:00
>> Yeah. Yeah, there's very few young hyel.
28:03
So, yeah, it's it's kind of nuts. It's
28:05
it's honestly kind of nuts. And it makes
28:08
sense that when they were doing that,
28:09
when they were trying to bridge, you
28:11
know, not make themselves a homogeneous
28:13
group, but say, you know what, we're
28:14
we're still 10. We can work together.
28:16
Why wouldn't you then extend that to the
28:20
night elves and nightborn? You're going
28:21
to extend it to the nightborn because
28:23
your leader is married to one of them.
28:25
>> Yeah. and they've been, you know, you've
28:27
been helping back and forth, but also
28:29
you can see it in this campaign that
28:31
that the the the blood elves and the and
28:33
the night elves may never be super
28:35
friendly, but there's respect there.
28:37
>> Mhm.
28:38
>> Like to the point where they've been
28:40
like night off represent representatives
28:42
went to his marriage. They they you know
28:45
because why wouldn't they you know for
28:48
all that Tonda doesn't really like
28:50
Alyssa I mean Felissra because they're
28:54
both from Suramar and it's weird um they
28:57
don't want to fight and if you don't
28:59
want to fight this is the way to go
29:01
about it which I think leads into the
29:03
other part of the the other question
29:04
about if there's a fifth war. So, here's
29:06
the thing. I don't think we're going to
29:08
have a fifth war. At least not for a
29:11
while. If we go by the way the story is
29:14
going. I think we've hopefully, and if
29:17
anybody from Blizzard in the story
29:19
department is currently listening,
29:20
please. Um, conflict between the Horde
29:23
and Alliance will always be a thing, but
29:25
it doesn't have to be a fullscale war
29:26
between the two of them. Conflict is
29:29
fine. Conflict is interesting. War can
29:31
be boring. And I think we've we've hit,
29:34
as far as I'm concerned, what I would
29:37
consider the maximum aotment of uh World
29:42
War spanning faction divides uh for one
29:45
life of the game as far as I'm concerned
29:47
with that that it that it even has a
29:49
chance at being interesting again. Um at
29:52
least for a long while. Instead, I think
29:56
that what's more likely to happen is
29:57
we're going to have an escalation if we
30:00
follow the the level of storytelling
30:02
we've had over Dragon Flight, the War
30:05
Within, Midnight, what's Midnight
30:07
setting up in the first chapter, and
30:08
what is likely to come into The Last
30:09
Titan, where it's us against everybody
30:12
else. And what I mean by that is the
30:14
mortal races. Um, it's it's all of us
30:17
having to, you know, work together. And
30:20
yes, there's going to be conflicts
30:21
because that orc that human maybe
30:23
they're they're never truly going to get
30:25
along. But it's that scene out of the
30:26
Missipenderia cut scene where, you know,
30:28
the orc hands the or the human hands the
30:30
orc the broken stick uh because they're
30:32
looking at the monk and it's like I
30:33
don't know how to deal with this. I know
30:35
what you are. Uh we're kind of on the
30:37
same side right now. That's kind of
30:39
where we're at.
30:40
>> We've done it so many times. As soon as
30:42
some other third thing shows up, Yeah.
30:44
it's like, "Okay, have my spear." and
30:45
and and the way that we end this part of
30:47
the campaign with uh Zelat's forces
30:50
descending through the dark well into
30:53
Azeroth somewhere whether it's in
30:55
Azeroth or towards the world soul I'm
30:58
sure that's the end goal at some point
31:00
but it could just be Chambers
31:02
underground we have so many different
31:05
the world of the underground is yet to
31:07
be explored and as we've learned from
31:09
Harrener and Hollowfall and everything
31:12
from the war within that's a vast
31:14
network. It's an entire other world
31:17
underneath the surface of the world that
31:19
we have yet to explore and is very much
31:21
interconnected. Especially if you go
31:23
through the Goblin stuff. People were
31:25
telling me, well, why did the Goblin
31:26
campaign why was that in, you know, why
31:29
did we care about that at all? And it's
31:31
like it showed you specifically
31:35
that all of these underground areas are
31:38
connected or can be connected relatively
31:41
easily because that's how we go from,
31:44
you know, undermine up to Battle for
31:47
Azeroth and back around the place.
31:50
You're literally taking a rocket train
31:52
there underground. Um, but I think
31:56
what's more than likely to happen here
31:57
is instead of us having a fifth war,
31:59
these are going to wind up operating
32:01
almost potentially like neutral ground
32:04
for all of the parties involved
32:06
depending on where the conflict is
32:07
closest to. If you need something in the
32:09
Eastern Kingdoms, Silver Moon is poised
32:12
now to be that warfront footing. It's a
32:14
city that is larger than Stormwind
32:18
uh and is more defensible than Stormwind
32:21
if everything goes right.
32:23
um and can be used sort of as a neutral
32:26
staging ground if necessary. Surar is in
32:29
the same camp of being potentially
32:31
useful as a neutral staging ground. And
32:34
same with Bellamath and we know that
32:37
races of all of the factions are welcome
32:39
there. Uh maybe not as citizens to live
32:43
there, so to speak, but they're not shut
32:45
like they're not just shot on site or
32:47
blown out of a a magic cannon into the
32:49
sun. Um, so there's potential for that
32:53
and in a some ways I think that's almost
32:57
a spiritual succession to Doon because I
33:00
think they even mention it when we're
33:01
talking with the silver covenant stuff
33:02
and the Sun Reaver stuff. Doon became a
33:07
political war tool and with the
33:10
expulsion of the blood elves from Doaron
33:13
uh with the Sun Reavers uh by the Silver
33:16
Covenant, it made it not a neutral city
33:19
anymore. Even though horde were allowed
33:22
there, it really didn't feel like they
33:25
were. And they talk about that. Um and
33:28
so it became, yes, it was originally an
33:30
alliance city, then it became a neutral
33:32
city. it essentially became an alliance
33:34
city again until we decided to crash it
33:36
into uh the you know uh Dornagal in in
33:41
that area. Um like it's it's not so much
33:46
a neutral thing anymore. These have the
33:48
potential to to take up that slack and
33:50
and do it in multiple different places.
33:52
>> Plus, it's harder to crash your city
33:55
into something when the city just stays
33:57
where it is.
33:58
>> Yep.
33:58
>> I do think I want to say one thing,
34:00
though. I think that we're kind of
34:01
missing the mark a little bit in that
34:03
the fifth war is already happening. This
34:05
is it. You are in it right now.
34:08
>> Um
34:08
>> but I mean they usually refer to the the
34:10
wars as like the the between horde and
34:12
alliance usually except for
34:13
>> I know but look at the third war. The
34:15
third war was Horde versus Alliance
34:17
until it became really clear that it was
34:19
actually the Legion.
34:21
>> Yeah.
34:22
>> The fourth war again Horde versus
34:23
Alliance but it was really about
34:26
Sylvanas. And we keep seeing, especially
34:29
the last couple of since the third war,
34:32
we keep seeing this weird thing where
34:35
Daytona keeps happening. They want to
34:37
they want to have a war with each other,
34:39
but then at one point they're like,
34:40
"Wait a minute. Why are we invading? Why
34:43
are we invading Ormar with the Alliance?
34:46
I thought we were Huh, this is weird."
34:48
And then it happened again at the end of
34:51
Battle for Azeroth. And it's like, um,
34:53
okay. And then they went to the
34:55
Shadowlands together and they came back
34:57
and like it's like we don't want to
34:58
fight at all anymore. We just this this
35:00
isn't working. We may not be friends. We
35:03
may not be buddies, but this this thing
35:05
where we constantly almost kill each
35:07
other and then at the last second pull
35:08
back cuz somebody even worse is showing
35:10
up. Why don't we just get ready for
35:11
somebody worse up front?
35:14
And I feel like that's what this is. We
35:16
are finally in the point where we're
35:18
dealing directly with the worst thing
35:20
first and not fighting each other which
35:23
in a way is like it kind of takes what
35:26
we saw in dragon in dragon flight and
35:28
the war within and it runs with it. This
35:30
idea that like you know we don't we may
35:32
not be super close but there's respect
35:36
which we earned from each other you know
35:38
because we fought and we saw the other
35:40
side you know we saw how they fought. We
35:43
saw the good there and we saw the bad
35:44
there. war is awful and it's better if
35:48
we don't do it to each other. Um, so I I
35:51
feel like that's part of this. Like I
35:53
think that we we're in a fifth war. Um,
35:56
because this one's for everything. This
35:57
one's for survival for both factions.
35:59
Um, but you know, you you don't have to
36:02
use that terminology cuz if you want to
36:04
keep it just for Horde versus Lions
36:06
fights, I hope we never get another one.
36:08
I hope they've finally done four should
36:10
have been enough. the war of thorns or
36:12
whatever they were calling it. That that
36:14
should have been it. This after the
36:17
second time both factions unite to
36:19
invade Storm, you know, invade Ormar
36:21
again. Guys, seriously, are we just
36:24
going to keep doing this? Like, you
36:25
know, another 20 years or another five
36:27
years, we're just going to go team up to
36:29
invade Ormar again. People are like,
36:32
when do you stop invading us? At this
36:34
point, you just want to invade us to
36:36
make us take turn take down all the
36:38
spikes? That's a lot of work. Can we
36:39
just leave the spikes up? I don't know.
36:41
I feel like we've we've moved past the
36:44
need for that mechanic. I could see the
36:46
fifth war being like a tongue-in-cheek
36:48
name for like two or three expansions
36:51
from now when we do get that like we
36:53
talked about a couple weeks ago like the
36:55
the bookkeeping like okay we don't have
36:58
a cosmic threat right now like get back
37:00
to all the little stuff that we set
37:02
aside and it's like all the little
37:03
squables and it's like we're not
37:05
fighting a war but we do have to figure
37:07
out where this border is going to be and
37:08
we're not fighting a war but we never
37:09
did settle you know how we were going to
37:13
you know have diplomatic relations with
37:15
each other. So that would be like a a
37:17
fifth war that's not a war. But
37:19
>> we've been trying to negotiate this
37:20
trade agreement for like the past 15
37:23
years. We're going to get this one
37:25
sorted out. Bunch of really tired.
37:27
>> We finally work on this. There's no
37:28
there's nothing falling out of the sky,
37:30
right?
37:30
>> Bunch of orcs. Oh god. Can we go back
37:32
fighting each other? I really hate this
37:35
talking thing that they do.
37:38
>> I Yeah. So again, I hope that we're not
37:42
going to get another war. And I think
37:43
that the between the factions in so much
37:45
as what's happening now is way more
37:47
interesting and I like it. Now that
37:50
said, moving into the next section of
37:52
the question, I think there could be an
37:54
interesting complication introduced into
37:56
this which is Azara because she's
38:01
active. We know she's active. She's been
38:03
active since we released her from her
38:05
little voidy prison uh in the black
38:07
empire that was c like carved out of
38:09
N'oth's consciousness. We freed her. She
38:12
disappeared. She wasn't there for the
38:14
final confrontation and that was
38:16
intentional. And her naga are present.
38:20
Now, we asked where they are. They're
38:24
literally on the coast of Qualas. If you
38:27
go down uh if you're from the city, you
38:29
go south and then it's west to that
38:33
little coastal region. There are a ton
38:35
of Naga and they're involved in a bunch
38:38
of quests where you're blowing up
38:40
smugglers caches and trying to stop them
38:42
and they're referred to as smugglers
38:45
which Lothar may or may not have
38:47
accurate information. That may be how
38:49
they're presenting but Ashara is there
38:52
again for a reason. She has her people
38:54
there for a reason and we don't know
38:56
what that is yet. But I do think that it
39:00
is without question, at least in my
39:03
mind, that she will make an appearance
39:05
this expansion before the Titans get
39:08
here, before we deal with them, before
39:11
we deal with that next thing, she will
39:13
be here. She may be a complication and
39:16
viewed as a threat immediately. And she
39:18
may be another Zalot situation where in
39:21
order to defeat Zalat, we may need the
39:24
help of one of the most accomplished
39:26
arcane magic wielders in the history of
39:30
Azeroth because let's not
39:32
>> something out here.
39:33
>> Go ahead.
39:34
>> I think both you and Eric will have some
39:36
interesting ideas. When we found out
39:38
that Zealot was a was a being that could
39:42
come out of the knife and and become uh
39:45
in a body, that was because Naga were
39:48
looking for the blade of the Black
39:50
Empire.
39:50
>> Mhm.
39:51
>> We know that aside from Zalat herself,
39:56
N'oth knows the most about that blade.
39:59
And who was working for N'oth at that
40:02
time? But Ashara, when she turns on him
40:06
and he imprisons her, she's the one who
40:08
explains to us how we can use the blade
40:10
of the black empire without Salat in it
40:13
against the Carropests of N'oth
40:16
>> in order to get him down. And that means
40:18
that the last time we see that knife,
40:20
it's in Rathon's hands.
40:22
>> Mhm.
40:22
>> They use it, we get past, we go to the
40:25
N'oth fight, uh, move on to next
40:28
expansions and so forth. Who still would
40:30
know the most about that knife that we
40:33
can contact and talk to aside from Zalot
40:35
who is not going to tell you anything
40:37
about that knife? And for that matter,
40:39
how did Zealot get the knife back?
40:41
>> We gave it to
40:42
>> Did she go to Nyallofa and take it?
40:44
>> One would imagine
40:45
>> that's the last time we see it. Um, or
40:49
did the one of the most powerful magic
40:52
wielders on the surface of Azeroth when
40:54
they were studying the knife, did they
40:57
make it so they could call it to them?
40:59
Did they trade it? And did they do that
41:02
wanting it to be in in Zalatas hands?
41:05
Because once Zalat's holding and using
41:08
it again, you can watch them through it.
41:12
Because who what does N'othH love to do
41:14
but watch people through old god
41:17
influenced items like a hat say
41:21
>> or perhaps the blade of the black empire
41:23
which in addition to being really great
41:25
at imprisoning and unimprisoning
41:27
entities is you know a big magic knife
41:31
with a big eye on it.
41:32
>> Yeah. So, I'm thinking to myself, if
41:36
N'oth, I mean, if Zotath is up to
41:38
mischief in Silver Moon and there are a
41:41
bunch of Naga running around doing quote
41:44
unquote smuggling, why are they
41:46
smuggling anything? What are they
41:48
smuggling? Are they smuggling things in
41:50
or they smuggling things out?
41:52
>> Yeah. Are they trying to get a handle on
41:54
what's happening or are they are they
41:58
already aware of what's happening and
42:01
setting a foothold to basically figure
42:03
out okay where where's her next goal? If
42:06
anybody on Azeroth is capable of doing a
42:09
Xanto Gambit duel with Zalat, it's
42:12
freaking Ashara who successfully
42:15
outmaneuvered N'oth. Yeah, I think when
42:18
we finally hear from her, she will be
42:21
three or four steps ahead of us. She is
42:24
not just going to show up and say, "Oh,
42:25
this is what's going on. Let me react to
42:27
that." I think that we will find out
42:29
that she will have been putting her plan
42:31
in motion for quite a while. What
42:33
>> are you finally here? Excellent. I was
42:35
wait I thought you'd be here long before
42:37
this. I'm glad you finally caught up.
42:39
Can we move on to the next part, please?
42:41
>> Yeah. I also think it it's again like
42:44
you said the fact that Zalot has the
42:48
black blade back or something that looks
42:51
very similar to the black blade um is
42:56
not a coincidence and again we don't
42:58
know where she got it and it would be
43:01
within the minations of somebody like
43:03
Azara who again would very much know
43:07
about this blade and probably has spent
43:10
countless
43:11
decades uh centuries literally going
43:15
through and studying it and the magic
43:18
contained therein. I mean I could see
43:20
her have created a faximile blade or
43:23
maybe this is the real blade and she
43:25
found a way to spy through it. Um
43:28
because again the naga showing up in
43:30
Qualas is new at least according to the
43:34
quests. This is a new occurrence. This
43:37
is something that wasn't happening until
43:39
either just before the assault on Qualas
43:43
began and the uh void incursion at the
43:47
Sunwell or right as it happened. And it
43:51
wouldn't be surprising to me if Ajara
43:54
was using the blade to spy on Zalot, see
43:57
everything that's going on, and then
44:00
somehow with what Zalot was doing in the
44:02
void and in the zone, that scrying got
44:06
cut off because we know that scrying
44:09
is something that happens in World of
44:12
Warcraft and can be perceived right
44:16
there. We've we've had instances where
44:18
we've we've done it and been found while
44:20
we've been doing it. Um so it's safe to
44:23
bet that Zalot probably has an inkling
44:24
she's being spied upon to a level. Like
44:27
honestly
44:28
>> you almost have to expect it even if she
44:29
didn't sense anything.
44:31
>> Exactly. And Zalot and Ajara are they're
44:35
both Xantos Gambit level geniuses when
44:38
it comes to lane plans. They've had way
44:41
more time than we have to figure out how
44:43
to become maniacal and and figure out
44:46
the intricacies and and plan for the
44:48
contingencies and and what would
44:50
potentially happen. And I wouldn't be
44:52
surprised if Ajara sent her folks there
44:54
to smuggle and offer stuff to cuz it's
44:57
really close to where the high society
44:58
folks are uh in that estate right on the
45:01
coast there where you do like a bunch of
45:03
the defending of the arcane stones that
45:05
protect and protect the barriers that
45:07
keep Qualas safe. Uh, no. totally not a
45:11
coincidence. Um, but it's also a perfect
45:13
place to watch what they're doing
45:15
because who's more easily to be
45:17
corrupted than the quote unquote nobles.
45:20
And also, you have a clear shot at the
45:22
Sunwell and what's happening over there
45:24
is at least from like you can see the
45:26
beam over the city. You know what's
45:28
happening. You can keep an eye on it at
45:30
a safe distance, which I think is really
45:33
fascinating. I do not think that's a
45:34
mistake. So, I do think she shows up. I
45:37
do think we originally try we initially
45:39
try to fight her. Um I think there's
45:42
initially resistance and then I think it
45:44
becomes apparent that she's trying to
45:47
stop Zalot because again while Ajara is
45:50
not exactly a good altruistic person we
45:54
know two things or maybe three. One she
45:57
loves power. Two she loves herself.
46:00
Three, she has at least some affection
46:02
for her people. Otherwise, they wouldn't
46:05
have been included in the bargain that
46:07
she made to save herself in the first
46:09
place.
46:09
>> I mean, if you think about it, she may
46:11
have affection for them because they are
46:13
her means to power, but nevertheless,
46:16
she could have just bamped out of
46:18
Zenosari.
46:19
>> Yep. Instead of trying to hold the water
46:21
back, she literally made a barrier
46:24
around Zenosari that was almost strong
46:26
enough to stop a hammer made entirely
46:29
out of all the water in the world and
46:33
she came within a hair's breath of
46:35
pulling it off.
46:36
>> Yeah. Like if she had a couple of
46:38
hibborn to basically play defense for
46:41
her while she aggressively moved the
46:44
place. And I'm telling you, if if a
46:46
bunch of mages could pick up and fly it
46:48
in the air, could easily
46:50
>> not tell me Ashara could have at least
46:52
done that. Um so yeah, if if she had
46:56
just left and left them to die, would it
46:58
have set her back in terms of no longer
47:00
having a power base? Yes. But there were
47:02
other elves that had survived. She could
47:05
have gone to some of them. She could
47:07
have painted herself as a victim who was
47:10
being controlled. Um she has what was
47:14
his name? Uh Sadder Boy Xavius. She had
47:17
Xavius there who could serve as an
47:18
amazing fall guy.
47:21
>> And keep in mind, even if that wouldn't
47:23
actually work, it's not like her to not
47:26
be overconfident in her abilities. Also,
47:28
is she overconfident when it's always
47:31
worked?
47:31
>> I don't think she's overconfident. I
47:33
think that confidence is earned. And
47:35
>> up to that point, she'd always gotten
47:37
what she want. She managed to tell there
47:40
were like literal members of the Burning
47:41
Legion who were like puny huny humanoid.
47:45
and she looks at them and they're like,
47:46
"Wait a minute. If I have to fight this
47:47
woman, she's probably going to kick my
47:48
butt." Manoroth was that demon. Manoroth
47:52
didn't want to fight her because he
47:54
sensed, "Oh, wait. There's a heck of a
47:57
lot more power in that woman than I
47:58
thought." So, I'm saying she didn't she
48:01
didn't leave them. She stayed. And that
48:05
means something.
48:06
>> I I would like to see her again. There
48:10
can be complications, but I could see us
48:12
getting into a friendmy situation with
48:15
>> Yeah, I I can see, you know, well, we
48:18
don't know where Zelat has gone or how
48:20
to find her or how to track her. And
48:22
then one of the, you know, main
48:24
character saying, I know someone who
48:26
might be able to, and then we have to go
48:28
seek out Ashara.
48:30
>> Yeah.
48:31
>> And maybe that takes a quest. Maybe
48:33
that's the opening. Maybe that's an
48:35
entire patch 12.2.
48:38
Well, I mean, yeah, because imagine that
48:40
we know for a fact that Ashara is
48:42
capable of suppressing Jana Proudmore's
48:44
ability to teleport to an area that she
48:46
decides to
48:47
>> without sweating.
48:48
>> Yes. Jana Proudmore is like, it's like
48:52
saying, "Oh, hey, um, I'm physically
48:55
capable of preventing like Floyd
48:57
Mayweather from hurting me anytime I
49:00
want to. He can't do anything." possibly
49:02
the most vicious guy who was ever
49:04
involved in martial arts and I just hold
49:06
out my hand and he can't do anything
49:08
that level like Jana's no slouch if you
49:11
can basically negate one of her
49:13
abilities one that she's famous for.
49:15
She's constantly moving things and
49:16
teleporting and Ashara just said nope
49:19
and she couldn't do it. She had to
49:21
hijack an ancient network that was it
49:25
was a night elf network too. It was when
49:27
Ashara knew about just to get out. And
49:30
think about Ashara knew about the whole
49:31
time and we know that because Ashara
49:33
later was like, "Yeah, I wanted you
49:35
here. You were going to bring the little
49:36
trinket around your neck to me so I
49:38
could figure out, you know, how to how
49:41
to get him out." It It's crazy to think
49:43
about how far is Char's plan. Yeah. So,
49:45
yeah, I could see there being a thing
49:47
where we have to get to her physically.
49:49
We can we can probably figure out where
49:50
she is cuz she's not tremendously shy
49:52
about it. like she'll be in a palace
49:54
somewhere with a ton of naga, but you
49:56
have to get to her just so she's like,
49:57
"Okay, you've successfully caught up.
50:00
Good. Now we can work."
50:02
>> I also think that the only weakness she
50:04
has is her vanity and her her need to be
50:07
adored. And I think that at a certain
50:11
point, yeah, she's got her naga, but I
50:15
think she wouldn't mind playing hero to
50:17
the elves.
50:18
>> Here's the thing. I was actually going
50:20
to suggest this to you both and see what
50:21
you thought. who says that she doesn't
50:23
have an idea about something other than
50:27
like you you mentioned it. She's vain.
50:29
She's she's like super narcissistic.
50:32
>> What if now that she now that it served
50:34
its purpose, she doesn't want to be a
50:36
naga anymore?
50:37
>> Yeah.
50:38
>> And she doesn't want her followers to be
50:40
Naga. Naga are brutes. The males are
50:42
just brute monsters with snake heads.
50:44
That ain't is what's she going to do?
50:47
She's getting adoration from that. No, I
50:49
want adoration the way I used to have
50:52
adoration. And it's not like I'm working
50:54
for Enzoth anymore. The guy's gone.
50:56
>> Well, why? Well, you know what I mean.
50:59
She as far as she's concerned, he's no
51:01
longer an issue. She doesn't need to
51:03
live underwater.
51:04
>> Yeah. And I think that's really it, too.
51:05
But also, I think she will also
51:07
understand in what's to come
51:09
>> how useful her Naga will be to the
51:12
forces that are dealing with Zev. Cuz
51:14
think about it, we're going we're going
51:16
underground again. We know we are. It's
51:18
going to happen inevitably.
51:19
>> There's no way we're not. And
51:21
>> they put a start, they put the hariner
51:23
area literally underground. I mean, come
51:25
on.
51:25
>> And and we've learned that there are
51:26
places deeper than what we know from,
51:29
you know, Holofal and Harander because
51:32
the rift goes even deeper. And the rift
51:35
is so deep that they can't hear the song
51:38
of their goddess anymore when they go
51:40
that deep. and it causes uh literal
51:43
insanity in their folks unless they
51:45
perform a ritual to cut themselves off.
51:47
It's interesting cuz I I keep thinking
51:50
about that. It's like we're going to go
51:51
to these deeper places and we're going
51:53
to go to places where we might wind up
51:54
hearing whispers or as we get closer to
51:57
the Titan soul, which will likely happen
51:59
at some point. A Titan is a being of
52:03
immense conscious power. And I mean not
52:06
just like I can cast a cosmic fireball.
52:09
I mean their consciousness is
52:12
overwhelming. We saw that with Magny. We
52:15
saw that with the whole role of the
52:16
speaker. We saw that with
52:18
>> we saw on Argus.
52:20
>> We saw that on Argus. We saw that uh in
52:22
the story leading up to Argus in the
52:24
10,000 years of war. Um, we have all
52:27
these these essentially baselines that
52:30
as you get closer and hear more clearly
52:33
the actual true voice or consciousness
52:35
of a Titan or Titan soul, it's more
52:39
unbearable for you as a mortal. Think
52:43
about the Titan Watchers and them having
52:45
the Titan consciousness slammed into
52:47
them and what it did to them and even
52:50
they couldn't hold it. What hope do we
52:52
have of of dealing with rushing up
52:55
directly against it? However, who has
52:58
plenty of experience with whispers and
53:02
things living in their head and
53:04
isolating themselves from those
53:05
whispers? Achara and the Naga. They
53:09
literally have lived that for 10,000
53:12
years. They know how to fight against
53:15
that when they need to go do something.
53:17
that also is potentially going to be
53:19
really really handy when inevitably we
53:22
go to slap Athul. Like you cannot tell
53:25
me you don't want that caliber of power
53:28
in your corner when we inevitably come
53:30
in conflict with the Titans. Like she's
53:34
too important and too powerful not to
53:36
show up. And I think that because she's
53:39
going to potentially play a very
53:40
important role in The Last Titan, she's
53:43
going to be introduced here. She has to.
53:46
If you follow normal story conventions,
53:48
she has to be introduced in this
53:50
expansion. Maybe not until the last act,
53:53
but she's going to be introduced at some
53:54
point.
53:55
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree with you.
53:56
I think that to a certain degree, it's
53:58
Czechov's gun. She's conspicuous at this
54:00
point by her absence. The fact that she
54:02
hasn't shown up yet.
54:04
>> Mhm. And I I do honestly think that at
54:06
some point I don't know that she'd want
54:08
to turn her Naga back while they're
54:10
useful as a military, but I can honestly
54:13
imagine her wanting to create for
54:15
herself like a version of what she lost.
54:18
>> Yeah.
54:19
>> Because you know in her head that was
54:22
hers and it was hers forever. They
54:25
renamed it after her from it was named
54:29
Elundras, the eye of Aloon and they
54:32
named it Zin Ashari. as Shara's glory.
54:35
They changed the name for her. She
54:37
thinks of herself as a peer to Sargeras.
54:39
She's she already thinks she's a god.
54:42
Like that's that's, you know, this is
54:43
all just details,
54:45
you know, it's just it's just details.
54:49
So I could see her totally playing, you
54:52
know, because they don't it's not like
54:53
they have a lot of choice. It's like you
54:55
who do you you know, if you don't work
54:57
with me, are you just going to lose
54:59
because you're too proud to work with
55:00
me? You know, I want to save the world.
55:03
Do you do you want to live here or not?
55:05
I mean, you could go. Your Dreni friends
55:08
have ships. I I mean, I don't know if
55:10
you could all get in there, but you
55:12
could try building them. I guess you
55:13
could run away, but if you're going to
55:15
live here, you need my help.
55:17
>> Yeah, I think she does have motivation
55:19
that's the same as ours. Like, Zilot's
55:22
in the planet somewhere now, and she
55:25
probably doesn't want to deal with that.
55:27
She probably doesn't want to.
55:29
>> It's a recreation of what happened to
55:30
Zenosari.
55:31
>> Almost exactly.
55:33
Yeah, she didn't leave when Zenosari was
55:36
about to be destroyed because it was
55:38
hers. In her eyes, Azeroth is hers.
55:42
>> Yep.
55:42
>> She is not going to let some jumped up
55:45
old gods show up and blow the place to
55:49
hell.
55:49
>> Yeah. And I can I can honestly see her
55:50
showing up going, "Oh, honey, that void
55:52
power, that's so cute. Let me introduce
55:54
you to real power." And just start
55:56
smacking her around cuz like that's
55:59
something I can absolutely see her
56:00
doing. And like you said, Matt, she she
56:02
has that she views Azeroth as her
56:05
birthright to a certain extent, right?
56:07
Because again, the whole being born with
56:09
gold eyes, the whole prophecy, which has
56:12
yet to be fulfilled by the way, um this
56:15
whole concept of
56:17
>> a whole society that bent to her,
56:19
>> a whole society, not only a whole
56:20
society that bent to her, a whole
56:22
society that bent to her and essentially
56:24
left her in control of the world at the
56:26
time.
56:26
>> Yep. Like only places she didn't control
56:29
were the places that she didn't want to
56:30
bother with.
56:31
>> Yeah.
56:32
>> Like she didn't want to go and take the
56:34
Xandelar Isles, which at the time were a
56:36
mountain, because that would have meant
56:38
having to kill a whole lot of trolls and
56:40
then having to kill a whole lot of Lowa,
56:42
which are essentially the same as
56:43
ancients, and there's no point to it.
56:45
>> And she also Yeah.
56:47
>> And she also probably understood that
56:48
unlike others, she probably has intimate
56:51
knowledge of where elves came from.
56:52
>> Yeah.
56:53
>> Right. Like
56:54
>> almost certainly.
56:55
>> Yeah. So, like again, tons of stuff
56:57
there. Um, but we will see her before
57:00
the end of this expansion. I'm almost
57:01
willing to put to to to, you know, bet
57:04
my farm on.
57:05
>> The only reason that you don't have to
57:06
bet is because nobody here is going to
57:08
take it.
57:08
>> Exactly.
57:09
>> I'm not betting against the char showing
57:11
up. I mean, come on.
57:12
>> Um, and then I just want to quickly go
57:14
through the last part of it with the
57:16
Harir stuff. Again, I think we've just
57:18
scratched the surface of the heraneer
57:20
lore. And I think as Midnight rolls
57:23
further on, we're gonna get more about
57:27
their connection to the elves, their
57:29
connection to the world trees, who
57:31
Alahara was. Uh, we're going to get more
57:35
of that. And it may be a slow roll. Um,
57:38
but I do firmly believe, and I said this
57:40
when we first saw them, they very much
57:43
look like that link between what night
57:46
trolls be were to what night elves
57:48
became. They literally look like that
57:50
hybridization of they're strong, they're
57:53
powerful, they have the night elf frame
57:55
and the night elf build, but they also
57:57
have the like the the strength and
58:00
buildout of a night troll. And you can
58:03
go in Battle for Azeroth to see what a
58:07
night troll looks like. And if you stand
58:09
that next to a night elf and if they had
58:11
a baby, it's a herander. Like it is it
58:13
is almost exactly a herander. So I don't
58:16
think we're quite done with our story
58:18
yet. And I think that it will probably
58:20
expand through the next two chapters
58:22
because it will be relevant. Um again,
58:25
the stuff you do in the rift, the stuff
58:27
like people are wondering what does the
58:29
dream rift have to do? What does that
58:30
rate have to do with the story? It's
58:32
going to become apparent probably in the
58:34
next chapter. Oh, I would almost
58:35
>> get you dipping your toes into what
58:37
you're going to be spending a lot more
58:39
time in later
58:40
>> because one of the things that is very
58:41
like we could start analyzing the voice
58:43
lines from that encounter. Uh where the
58:47
Chimeis the thing that we are fighting
58:50
and trying to bring down constantly
58:52
screaming I can hear her. I can only
58:55
hear her pain like it's connected to
58:59
something. And they think it's Alahara.
59:01
It might be Azeroth. We don't know. I
59:03
mean, that might be two names for the
59:05
same thing.
59:05
>> It could be two names for the same
59:06
thing.
59:06
>> Want to hear my favorite crazy theory
59:08
about this? It's not even one I came up
59:10
with. I just heard it.
59:11
>> Go ahead.
59:12
>> Say,
59:12
>> it's Aloon.
59:14
>> Oh,
59:14
>> and Aloon is
59:16
>> again, we're in a dream. We're in a
59:18
dream.
59:18
>> Yeah.
59:19
>> Like, Aloon is Azeroth's attempt at
59:22
consciousness. Like, it's basically the
59:25
fact that they always said that Aloon
59:27
came up out of the the, you know, the
59:30
the well of eternity and sank back down
59:32
into it. the fact that the sun and the
59:35
moon were the eyes of the earth mother,
59:38
which is, you know, Azeroth's earth
59:40
mother seems pretty close. Um, I think
59:42
it might very well be that we know that
59:46
there are three aspects to Aloon.
59:49
There's, you know, the night warrior,
59:52
the, you know, the mother figure, and
59:54
what what's the third one?
59:56
>> Yeah. the the only thing that I think
59:59
might go against that is the length and
1:00:02
time of the relationship between ANR and
1:00:04
Aloon and how long that existed. So
1:00:07
>> I I get you on that, but I don't know
1:00:08
that that's necessarily a problem. In
1:00:10
fact, it might even be one of the
1:00:11
reasons it even happened. Uh but you're
1:00:14
right. This is a theory somebody had.
1:00:16
>> Yeah,
1:00:16
>> this is not my theory. Um but I like it.
1:00:20
I just don't know that I think it's
1:00:22
going to be what they do. But I do think
1:00:24
it's interesting that we had the moon,
1:00:27
you know, ane and Musha were the eyes of
1:00:30
the earth mother. If if if Alnara is as
1:00:35
Azeroth, maybe she's not all of Azeroth.
1:00:38
>> Yeah.
1:00:39
>> She's one of three. What if there's
1:00:41
three aspects? One is the sun, one is
1:00:44
the moon, and one is the world.
1:00:45
>> Yeah. And I mean, we can explore this in
1:00:47
a future episode because I think it is
1:00:49
worth going into. But there's also the
1:00:51
interpretation that they're the eyes of
1:00:53
the world or the earth mother in so much
1:00:56
that they're watching over the Earth
1:00:58
Mother, which is another interpretation
1:01:00
of it, which is very similar to Native
1:01:02
American mythology in certain regions of
1:01:05
North America. So, like there there's
1:01:08
there's potential there, and I
1:01:10
definitely hear what you're saying, and
1:01:11
it's uh whoever came up with that
1:01:12
theory, I can understand where they're
1:01:13
coming from with it. Um, I think that it
1:01:16
is possible.
1:01:18
>> I don't know,
1:01:18
>> but not likely. Yeah, Reddit is an
1:01:20
interesting place for lore these days.
1:01:22
Oh boy.
1:01:24
>> Um, but yeah, it's it's been a very elf
1:01:26
forward story and for very good reason.
1:01:30
Um, we've even already had the
1:01:31
appearance of Sylvanas uh in the last
1:01:34
cinematic. Um, which again may be less
1:01:38
than people expected. Um, but we're
1:01:40
going to wind up talking about that
1:01:41
probably separately. Uh, because I do
1:01:44
think that it in and of itself revealed
1:01:46
a couple bits of important information
1:01:49
and weren't just like some people have
1:01:50
been claiming, handwavy parts of the
1:01:53
story. I think it's something that goes
1:01:56
back to what we were talking about
1:01:58
before Shadowlands ever came out, which
1:02:00
is what is the true purpose of the
1:02:02
Shadowlands? What is the true purpose of
1:02:04
the M? Because again, even Sylvanas is
1:02:08
on that. Like, it's it's more
1:02:11
complicated than I think anybody
1:02:12
realizes, and I'm still investigating.
1:02:15
Before I say anything, I need to know
1:02:16
what I'm talking about cuz that's the
1:02:18
way Sylvanas rolls. And I was also very
1:02:21
happy to see her. I was very happy to
1:02:24
see her show up. And I was very happy.
1:02:26
>> I think, yeah, if you're going to you're
1:02:27
going to do a big S, you know, Silver
1:02:29
Moon is under attack, might get
1:02:31
destroyed. If you're going to bring
1:02:33
Sylvanas back, that is the time to do
1:02:34
it. But more importantly, she made Zalat
1:02:39
tuck tail and run. Why? Now, we've
1:02:42
>> we've talked about it before, man. You
1:02:44
know what I'm going to say.
1:02:45
>> I know. But I think that
1:02:46
>> outside the cycle. So,
1:02:48
>> I think that is important and I think
1:02:50
that that is it's going to come into
1:02:52
play probably in later chapters. We're
1:02:55
probably not going to get to Zelath
1:02:56
until chapter 3 where I have an idea
1:03:00
that we'll talk about at some point
1:03:02
where I think Irron's going to show up
1:03:04
and Irron is going to be the reason that
1:03:05
the uh Titans are broken out of their
1:03:08
prison because he wants revenge. Um, and
1:03:11
that's what he's been doing the entire
1:03:12
time. So, we'll probably wind up besting
1:03:14
Zalot only for to come back and start
1:03:16
the next chain of reaction. But,
1:03:18
>> you don't think it's going to be
1:03:19
Iriticron as like a middle boss to like
1:03:21
keep us until Zalot comes in at the end?
1:03:23
Do you think we're going to get done
1:03:25
with that with Zolotath and then
1:03:26
Ariticron steps in?
1:03:27
>> I think so.
1:03:28
>> I'm not saying you're wrong, but
1:03:29
>> I'm just interested how you're looking
1:03:31
at it. Okay.
1:03:31
>> Yeah. Because I see I see Iron more as a
1:03:34
bridge between what's happening on
1:03:36
Azeroth and the conflict that's coming
1:03:38
with the Titans.
1:03:39
>> Do you think Iron has a plan for when
1:03:41
the actual Titans come back and
1:03:44
>> Yeah. I think he's basically arguing
1:03:46
that Irron has a plan to make them come
1:03:48
back cuz that's when he's he thinks
1:03:50
they're weakened enough to kill.
1:03:52
>> Yeah. And so I I think you're right.
1:03:54
>> I I think that's really it, right?
1:03:55
Because it's
1:03:57
>> we know he wants revenge. We know he
1:03:59
wants to kill the Titans.
1:04:01
>> He wants to do that which is impossible.
1:04:03
Um and so it he's going to have this
1:04:06
Frederick Nichi moment of God is dead,
1:04:08
God remains dead, and we have killed
1:04:09
him. Um and it's going to be part of his
1:04:12
plan. And I think whatever's happening
1:04:14
on Azeroth is part of his plan to draw
1:04:17
them out of their prison and bring them
1:04:19
back because the Titans for all of their
1:04:23
flaws don't want Azeroth to die or
1:04:28
become void or be used as whatever you
1:04:32
know XYZ that was never part of their
1:04:35
plan. and good, bad, that will, if
1:04:39
anything else, make them show up. And
1:04:41
they're not fully healed. Like Matt
1:04:43
said, they just got done being tortured
1:04:45
for millennia. Uh, they just got
1:04:47
physical bodies back. They're not all
1:04:49
powerful, and it's only been a couple
1:04:50
years. So, strike while the iron is hot,
1:04:53
and that seems like something that Rita
1:04:54
Crown would do. He's an opportunist.
1:04:56
>> He He said it, too. He He didn't beat
1:04:58
her out of the bush. He said with this
1:05:00
with the dark art, Zalot will make the
1:05:02
Titans show up. And then that's what I
1:05:05
that's what I want. He didn't he didn't
1:05:07
wasn't mysterious about it. He just flat
1:05:09
out said it and then disappeared and we
1:05:10
haven't seen him since.
1:05:12
>> Yeah. And what have what has been doing
1:05:14
the entire time with the dark heart?
1:05:15
>> Trying to claim Azeroth so that the
1:05:17
Titans not. Yep. She probably doesn't
1:05:19
want the Titans to show up, but
1:05:21
>> I don't think she cares. I think I think
1:05:23
I think she thinks she
1:05:24
>> once she has what she wants, it won't
1:05:27
matter if they show up.
1:05:28
>> Yep.
1:05:29
>> Like they could show up and Okay. I have
1:05:32
the power of a world soul. You are stuck
1:05:35
in stunted little bodies because your
1:05:37
actual host bodies are dead. You know,
1:05:39
you have never been able to recover from
1:05:42
what Sargeras did to you. You've never
1:05:43
had you would have taken you so long and
1:05:45
you've never even got to start. So,
1:05:47
yeah. No, I don't I don't fear you. And
1:05:50
Ariticrron might be thinking the same
1:05:53
thing, like, you know, I once once they
1:05:56
show up, if they fight her at all,
1:05:58
either she'll do my job for me or in the
1:06:01
process, she'll f them up so badly
1:06:04
>> that I can do it.
1:06:05
>> And I would like to point out that one
1:06:06
last one last little spoilery thing that
1:06:08
I don't think I've seen anybody talking
1:06:10
about yet, which is absolutely
1:06:12
fascinating to me. And uh if we broke it
1:06:14
here first, great. And if I missed it,
1:06:16
let me know in the comments below. Um
1:06:18
when you're doing the march on Quell uh
1:06:21
Denas and you are moving up towards the
1:06:24
first fight and you're moving up to
1:06:26
Bellerin, the mobs there are using
1:06:29
shadow flame, the thing that Ariticron
1:06:31
sent to go get the knowledge of which
1:06:34
Fyra got and we can very much assume was
1:06:38
shared with Ariticron. It's there. It's
1:06:40
present. It's here in this in this
1:06:42
expansion. We haven't seen it for an
1:06:44
expansion. It's here. And those mobs are
1:06:48
wielding it. The the fire ogres are
1:06:50
1,000% wielding shadow flame. It is not
1:06:53
a coincidence. It's a such a small
1:06:55
little detail, but I think it's
1:06:57
relevant. This is what happens when I
1:06:58
don't sleep for days, folks.
1:07:00
>> Yeah, the white board is currently up
1:07:02
and he's got the the lines connecting to
1:07:04
it. But I feel like this is the time
1:07:06
where it feels like that's the best
1:07:07
approach to this stuff is look for the
1:07:10
little detail
1:07:11
>> because I I think that the details the
1:07:14
people who are in charge of the questing
1:07:16
are they drop little things like that in
1:07:20
in in the encounters that feed the story
1:07:23
because a lot of the people that are
1:07:24
working on that are people that were
1:07:26
formerly responsible for generating the
1:07:29
story. Uh they know what they're doing.
1:07:31
So maybe it's a a visual detail that was
1:07:34
just meant to be cool, but I think it
1:07:36
has more significance and I think it
1:07:37
ties back with with what's happening the
1:07:39
Titans and Anything else you boys want
1:07:41
to add before we call it a day? I just
1:07:43
find it fascinating that we don't have
1:07:45
the truth yet about the universe, about
1:07:48
Azeroth, and we have all these big
1:07:51
players and I feel like we get to the
1:07:53
very end and it's the the Titans are
1:07:55
there and Ion lets Sargeras peek out of
1:07:58
his little prison and the Irron is there
1:08:01
and we kind of are like who's lying to
1:08:04
us and they all kind of like raise their
1:08:05
hand and we're so like we don't know who
1:08:08
to fight because we don't know the truth
1:08:09
yet and the fact that we will finally
1:08:11
maybe get the truth in another expansion
1:08:13
and a half.
1:08:14
>> I don't think we're going to get the
1:08:15
truth in another expansion and a half.
1:08:17
And I think that we've been told that
1:08:18
ever since Shadowlands.
1:08:20
>> Agreed.
1:08:21
>> Um that that whole deal with the idea
1:08:22
that perspective is king, that you know,
1:08:25
you can flip the entire cosmos around,
1:08:28
it still works.
1:08:29
>> I I do think that our more our most
1:08:31
likely case of getting close to the
1:08:33
truth is going to be if we ever get to
1:08:34
talk to Sargeras. I I think that if we
1:08:37
ever get a chance to have like facetime
1:08:40
with him and he's not trying to like do
1:08:42
something, he's probably got the most
1:08:44
complete truth, which is what drove him
1:08:46
mad in the first place. And I'm air
1:08:48
quoting drove him mad. But I think
1:08:50
that's going to do it for us today,
1:08:51
friends. I do want to thank you for
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1:08:54
Meron, uh for sending in that batch of
1:08:56
questions and sending us into weird
1:08:58
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