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After a short apology for his scratchy voice, Matt leads the cohosts in discussion on a number of topics. Since Cory was the guest host this week, adorable mobile game Warcraft Rumble and its expensive Arthas bundle was a big part of the conversation. So was the April Fools' Day jokes we were treated to on that day -- some of our cast are quite anti prank, others are pro. Plus, the ZeniMax Union authorized permission for their workers to strike, and we discuss the implications for the industry at large.
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hello and welcome to the Blizzard Watch podcast it's not a Halloween podcast i just sound like this
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sorry hey everybody it's Matt uh I have a bit of a sore throat and a bit of a lag thing happening we have our amazing
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hosts Joe and Liz and our guest host who's also like secretly a Sylon or
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something uh Corey I think we determined that both Cory and I are like secretly evil geese in the pre-show did Did we do
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that no you've given away your evil to the geese oh yes
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but uh yeah so we're all here and we're going to be talking about stuff first up it's April Fools uh I don't have I'm
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assuming there's a whole bunch of April Fools stuff out there but I I it it's my least favorite day of the year now it it
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is also my least favorite day of the year everybody is so down on April Fools i just It's fine let a little folity
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into the world worth it here's the thing Corey i don't I don't disagree with you that we should have some frivvality
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especially in the raging dumpster fire of of our world but unfortunately
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everybody's idea of a of an April Fool's joke on the internet is like blatant
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lying it's not Yeah that's that's usually my problem with it right like people people don't understand like what
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an innocuous joke is anymore not everybody some some do there are some there are some okay ones out there
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i hear I want to make sure you get to say it and then I just talk to you over you again sorry Liz uh just please talk
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a lot now and it's they just aren't always that
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funny like we got Warcraft patch notes and one of the things in the Warcraft patch notes is housing hard mode in
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which you buy a h you get your house but also you eat avocado toast every day and
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it's like okay that's could could we make could we like upgrade our jokes like a tiny bit that's
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I That is a very stale joke at best i mean at least at least make a joke about
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the price of eggs at least that's a modern timely joke but Oh but that gets
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a little too political oh gosh anyway yeah how it's just eggs
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Brian how much do they cost $10,000 see there now that was funny do that
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with the eggs uh yes anyway uh one of the things in the new
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WoW patch patch 11.4.1 in the I should just clarify just in case you think I'm being serious here
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is that this is I hope an April Fool's joke because one of the things they say they're adding in the patch is the
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Undermine DM which is a dungeon with a threehour queue that lasts Oh a n I'm
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sorry I got it confused a 90-minute queue and the dungeon lasts 3 minutes
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yeah that sounds about right and it Yeah and then there's a which frankly that
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sounds a little too much like some of the holiday boxes already we don't Do we
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Do we need Do we need to do this do we need to add
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this they're just They're fine the patch notes are fine but they're just They
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don't really do much for me they're just they're silly and they're unrelated to
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real stuff and I would be more excited about real stuff like you know when they there are some patch notes here about
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housing but I was so excited when they did a post about housing that it's like they give us
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patch notes about weird stuff and it's like I'd rather hear about stuff instead
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of fake stuff he made up do you remember this was to my mind possibly the
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funniest joke they ever did do you remember when they did the Atari 2600
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like 16bit molten core like they wow molten core and 16 bit and
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it was literally like just every boss rendered like that old berserk screen and and like you know literally just
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like lines it it looked like an asteroids but with like you know Ragnaros and that to me was funny
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because they they really they they made the thing so ridiculous nobody would take it seriously but also at the same
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time they were pretty on the nose about what every different version of something coming out looks like like you
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know now with this it's like you know it's the exact same thing you already had but changed and so I thought that
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was really funny i a lot of times April Fool's jokes are just the not that funny
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but also there's been some that have been so good that whole games have come out of them yeah like the entire new
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direction of the Yakuza/ like a dragon franchise came out of an April Fool's
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joke where they were like "Yeah and it's going to be like a it's going to be like an old classic JRPG." And everyone was
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like you know they were expecting everyone to be like "No." And then they would come back and be like "No it's just a joke." And but then like everyone
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was like "Yeah I want to play that i want to play the turnbased like a dragon game." And they were like "Okay uh here
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it is." and people loved it so I feel like we don't really have that
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as much go ahead the one that I saw today that made me actually chuckle uh was uh there has been a typo in player
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housing uh and instead it is playable housing and it showed like little like
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houses going around doing WoW content like like actually like fighting mobs and stuff like that that was funny that
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was like that was frivolity that was hilarious especially when one of their abil a hotel but the best part of that
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was the the ability that the house player unit cast which was uninsured hailtorm yep that made that made me
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laugh real good yeah see and this is this is the joke that I just flipped out
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over and started on a tirade of negativity about April Fools that got to
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the point where I wrote this whole post and Anna said I was being too negative i mean sometimes Anna I I asked I asked is
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this am I just being a nutcase and it's like yes you are this is maybe maybe
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tone it down so that that post is getting mostly deleted i mean we but I'm
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going to leave the part about the house we're going to talk about this house because this player housing trailer with
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the house bouncing around is basically very similar to a trailer from an indie
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game at Day of the Devs called building relationships which in which you are a house you are a house the house bounces
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around the landscape the house your character is a house you wander around the landscape in this island you can go
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fishing you can talk to people there's no fighting in the game and actually it's a house dating game oh okay yeah
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that that makes sense guys I'm sorry i'm just keep thinking now that you've
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been talking about this and you've been saying house so many times i'm like now imagining the game where it's still you
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play as this little house but you're also a grumpy doctor who's addicted to Vicodin and and you're voiced by like a
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British man but you sound American and I'm like "Yeah I'm I'm totally down for the hospital expansion to this where
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you're still like how is this romancing but but one of you is a really grumpy doctor house?" I'm just sorry had to go
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there so yes I I I saw this Blizzard trailer and I was immediately like I have seen something exactly like this
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because it's it's kind of it's very similar it even has a house fishing sure
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though though in building relationships when you're fishing you're actually fishing up cars because that makes
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complete and total sense makes sense to me so like I want to I just want to make sure like like this is
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you don't like it and this is adding to the the argument of why you don't like it right it's cute but kind of silly and I just
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see I immediately saw it and I'm like it's very it's a very similar vibe to this to this indie game which is
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actually really neat which I which is fine and the people that probably made it probably play that indie game and probably really liked it uh there's we
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see a lot of that sometimes i I don't know like I think the ones that are silly and not presented as something
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that is real are rare these days and I enjoy them and and when they when they
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don't take themselves too seriously even if it's paying homage to something else or or look similar to something else it
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doesn't bother me as much versus like these are patch notes and we're releasing them and then you always get
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one person that's like no that pro this was promised in a patch note and it's like no no honey Like I I don't I I'm
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I'm okay with like silly and goofy and like irreverent and and stuff like that i don't like the I'm trying to present
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this as real because that's funny to me and I'm trolling you so like I like jokes when everybody's in on the joke
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does that make sense but at this point they've done 15 at least fake patch
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notes for their games so at this point if you're not getting the joke of the fake patch notes more you then Yeah but
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also like it's sometimes looking at real patch notes it's really hard to distinguish between April Fool's patch
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notes and real patch notes they're written in the same style so they are I
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get that that's part of the joke of them that they're written the same style but at the same time like I think if you
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look at a patch note and it doesn't necessarily occur to you that that's a joke it just feels like oh yeah you know
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that's the usual thing that I was more commenting on some of the stuff they put in actual patch notes feel like they should be an April Fool's joke like
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Yagsaran is broken again or like you know like stuff like that so it's it's it's kind of like if it if it becomes
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part of like your normal yearly routine is it really an April Fool's joke anymore but that said that said some
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some some folks you know some places will will participate and make good on it i'm actually very happy with our
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participation and I do maintain that yeah maybe maybe
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you should expand on that for a for a second there Joe no because I want everybody to go listen to it you should
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go listen to this week's lore watch it is very special uh and then I was gonna I was going to
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say it's not quite like what you used to do and some of you that have been here for a long time maybe remember when we did the all day long site takeover uh
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which was a lot of work and a lot of effort but also afforded me the ability to non-ironically write stoically taking
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balls to the face in a post that was published for everybody to read when we were Twilight watch for an hour or
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Twilight Twilight.com or whatever whatever we decided we were called because those that was just oh man that
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was chef's kiss nothing will ever top that for anything I've participated in
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it's so much work so much work if you if you are one of those people who enjoys April Fools there are World
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of Warcraft patch notes there are Hearthstone patch notes there are Overwatch patch notes as well as a
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thoroughly ridiculous game mode in the arcade and there are Warcraft Rumble patch notes which are out of all of
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these they are the shortest diablo does not seem to have jumped in on the April Fool's craze so there's no
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you're going to have to make up your own April Fool's Diablo jokes diablo will not appear in Diablo sorry go ahead when
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Diablo does do frivolity it tends to be along the lines of you know the his throne is festuned with with celebratory
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skulls type thing yeah well I was going to say I thought I think I think the the biggest joke there is like just showing
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Diablo sitting in an office cubicle saying that he's given up the uh the rat race of uh sanctuary and has decided to
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uh join a 9 to5 or something like that i don't know if that you want evil that's definitely a place you might want to go
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but uh we're going to actually talk about other things right now um example we're going to talk about uh the April
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trading post and we're going to not do the thing where I just go crazy and go "Ah this is great this is great this is
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great." Instead we're going to talk about what this one is this is kind of like a a dark fair theme I believe i
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didn't look at it until now and oh my god please continue okay well go on no you go on i'm sorry i just like this you
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should talk the first thing I noticed was there's a bird mask with the the dark moon fair eye that is 100% totally not uh N'oth that uh that is your reward
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for completing the trading post this I I have never wanted to complete a month so badly there are two bird masks jester
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outfit wow yes go ahead Liz sorry uh two bird masks one kind of purplish one kind
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of greenish and uh the whole a lot of this month is themed around the Dark Moon Fair with two Dark Moon Fair mounts
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as well as a bunch of cosmetic weapons yeah I still maintain that even looking at these also the one the topsyturvy
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jester die i love the fact that there's a D12 as an offhand um but I'm looking
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at this and this just reconfirms our theory for the lore watch we had a long time ago that the dark moon fair was
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secretly an old god breeding ground because this is the more you look at the the dark moon fair aesthetic the more
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it's just confirmed yeah it definitely has a certain amount of staring eyes and weirdness to it yeah
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there was also a sort of normal right doesn't everyone's house look like that h is is this what our player housing is
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going to be it's just dark moon banners with eyes staring i mean yeah me probably yep can't prefer
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there is also a transmog set that is like a garden gnome that's that's how
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I've heard it described anyone can wear it but and and gnomes you can wear mushrooms as shoulders if you want but
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you don't have to you do not have to choose to be a garden gnome anyone can choose this look for themselves if they
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want it and buy it on the trading post this month yeah the picture on the uh official WOW thing for it is is
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obviously a dwarf so a garden dwarf with mushroom shoulders and they're they're
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quite fetching mushroom shoulders for her i don't know that everybody would look good in them uh I think that it's a
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specific it's a specific vibe you're going to have to really lean into this if you are into this aesthetic then then
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it is certainly It is there it is there um there's also uh you guys already mentioned the uh the various uh
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Chester's weapons um which include a two-handed garden trowel uh which is
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actually technically a two-handed axe but it looks it looks very much like some kind of garden implement that
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someone left out and which has stuff growing through it now mushrooms it's a cool it's a cool aesthetic all told um
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so it's the training post matches two very mismatched aesthetics this month
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which is you have this dark moon theme which is an over-the-top gesture theme
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with very bright colors there's uh weapons that are bright purples and weapons that are greens and then you
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have this kind of forest garden set where you have mushroom shoulders and
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weapons with leaves growing out of them so these are two very different vibes
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both in this month's Oh I feel like they're they're opposite sides of the same vibe they are and it makes me it
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makes me also want to run around and do a a WoW machinima of uh there's a band
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called Gnome uh that is like it's a if you've never heard them they're they're
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a metal band and you can think of it kind of like u you know how Windrose is like dwarf metal this is Gnome metal um
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and they're fantastic and they're it the videos are absolutely hilarious um but
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it makes me want to do a wild machinima of uh a bunch of us running around dressed in this garb like recreating one
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of uh Gnome's uh music videos cuz it's hilarious inspiration
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someday I will get you guys to listen to Hate Beak you act like we haven't you act like we don't know Hate Beak man i I
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I think everybody except you probably doesn't know Hate Beak Joe like let's
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ask around Liz did you know about Hate Beak cory has to I do not know cory I
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have not heard of them gasp it's a band where the uh lead singer is uh literally a bird oh oh okay
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i have heard of that then that is not the case that's one I know of no Hate Beak is now the the band Kenan
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is uh they broke up and so Hate Beak now has two Huskies
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oh god that's that's worse that's worse it's not It's not worse it's not better
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um it's just different huskys are great but boy they they like to make noise and
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they are not always pleasant noises nope yeah but but as let's you got to go
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listen to them go listen to them but anyway yeah Hay Peak is good no Hay Peak is actually also Hey Peak does have a
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bird as well yeah Waldo yeah so no I people are strange anyway uh we've
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talked about this whole talking about the trading post for a minute lam more i've seen a lot of feedback from people
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around in the Warcraft community about how they don't really feel like they
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know what the trading post is meant for or the feedback is that Warcraft will do something like they'll put out three
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mounts and transmog and pets in the same month and you can still only get
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fraction of that if you're a mount collector you can't get all three mounts unless you've already been stockpiling
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your stuff and so they're trying to figure they're they keep giving the feedback of we want to earn more or you
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guys should make less big ticket items per month so that we don't have to choose but I'm confused by that because
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they re they bring stuff back every month they do but not everything has come back around there's there's stuff
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that has never shown up again still yeah but that just means that there's a more potential for it to show sorry continue
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yeah it's just it's just interesting seeing that perspective of like them getting it seems that people getting
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madder at the trading post than happy that it exists yeah that's weird to me
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because like I look at it as it's bonus content and it's just bonus content for playing the game and like it's not
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something you necessarily have to feel like you need to grind everything for and I kind of think the point is that
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you don't earn everything every month you're not like it's it's kind of like here's some cool stuff pick what you
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want and then I've seen like you're right that not everything has come back through but a lot of stuff has and
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they've definitely increased the the number of recurring items per month it used to be like three now it's like I think like nine or something like that
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10 like they they've definitely upped it so I I don't know i I always viewed it
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as just extra content and it's just like hey you spent time in game and you did a
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bunch of stuff that you were going to do anyway here's some free stuff and Right yeah not like you're you're you're
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grinding forever and all you're getting out of it is like a couple things it's bonus and I think I I was say I think
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that and I can understand the point but I think the minute you like if they were to make it like you can earn enough points and tenders to earn everything
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every month that I'm trying to think how to phrase this i think that that's when it becomes mandatory yeah it becomes
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mandatory and it kills the vibe yeah yeah yeah i think the thing is you have some
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players who have that got to catch them all mindset you've got to collect everything you've got to get everything
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and the trading post also has a bit of a FOMO aspect where this is here this
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month you it's not going to be here next month you don't know when it's going to come back or if it's going to come back you did make a good point Joe that
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things do come back around but you don't know if or when so I do think it it it
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sort of encourages this kind of thinking even as as you say this is optional content and that's the best way to think
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about it this is you're playing the game you're getting a few extras every month but I think it's it's easy to fall into
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this trap where it's like "Oh it's here i need to have it i need to have everything." Ah and uh it's hard to
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break out of that kind of thinking but I think I think that's the only answer here
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especially if you're like going for I need to have all the mountains in the game or I need to have as many mountains
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as possible that number has to go up and then one month you have maybe you splurge and you get a cool transmog set
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because you let your you let your heart override your brain or vice versa whichever way you want to look at it and
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wouldn't you know it the following months there's three mounts and now you can't get one of those mounts and you can't save or you can't get two of those
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mounts and you can't save both of them and so that could feel bad and luckily there isn't a consistent way
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to buy trader tender because then that would just drive you to buy trader tender yeah I just I'll put it this way because
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I think everybody who knows me knows that I am a perpetually optimistic ray of sunshine and joy that I I blast the
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world around me with love and illumination and I'm not at all a depressive grumpy person who just gets
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angry about things because I'm angry uh now now I will take the slashs tag and
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just put it right on there but as grumpy as I am and as as often upset as I get
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uh uh I I love the trading posts like I love few things like it is one of the
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things that kept me playing WoW during some of the biggest lulls for me that the game was having and one of the
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reasons I love it is because it has things I like and it has things I don't care about at all and so I can ignore
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the things I don't care about at all and I think people really need to start realizing that that if a feature has
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stuff in it that you don't like necessarily uh that's that's okay the
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things don't have to be absolutely 100% the way you person with a very specific need want them to be like it's better
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that we have the trading post and it has mounts for people who want to collect mounts but more importantly people who
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don't want to collect mounts can just ignore them and I as a person who does not care about mount collection am fine
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with that i want cool looking armor and weapons but I don't want every weapon i
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I don't go and pick up offh hands because right now I never played a class that uses off hands uh but if I started
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playing my warlock like and now I want to get my warlock some stuff now there's off hands I could pick up i I just I
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feel like to a certain degree World of Warcraft players have to start accepting the fact that World of Warcraft is a
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very large game with a lot of disperate voices of saying "Oh I want this." And and it is a a Hegelian minefield to even
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attempt to design a feature that has everything for everyone it just is not going to happen uh the training post is
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amazingly variable in what it offers like there's clothes there's weapons
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there's offh hands there's weird toys there's mounts there's other kinds of
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mounts um I remember that that bee they had you guys remember the bee it was
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fairly recently wasn't it like a couple months ago now i bought that bee i usually don't get
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mounts but it was a bee i'm like "Okay because now I can sing Eric the Half a Bee constantly uh I'm totally okay with
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this having a bee I can ride around on uh you know it's very hard to to do Flight of the Bumblebees but I did it i
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mean because it's Flight of the Valkyries uh but I was doing it Flight of the Bumblebee so I was
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going and people would be like "Matt please stop please we're trying to raid here you're just flying to the raid and
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you don't have to do the Bumblebee song while we're actually in fighting things." And I'd be like "Yes we do." Uh
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but regardless it doesn't have everything for everyone it's not going to and it is designed to some it's it's
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got it's designed to keep people coming back like it if if everybody can get
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what they want when they want it as much as they want it they will do so and then there's no more reason to come you know
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what I mean i think a lot of of WoW design is based around this idea of we tried making it so you could get
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everything you wanted when you wanted it and everybody did and then they got bored so now we're going to make it so
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there's a little bit of uncertainty but we don't want it to be full-on RNG because then people get mad so they're
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trying to find that sweet spot where people get stuff but they can't get everything at once because it's just
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impossible to have like three absolutely new mounts every week i mean every month when the trading post opens okay new
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three completely new mounts you've never heard of and every week to every month to do that that's 12 times you know in
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in a in a year it's just faster than they can go so there's mechanisms built
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into this to keep you coming back it also take it and also make them not have to work at a break neck crunch speed to
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continue to make everything too right mhm so but at this point uh we talked a
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lot about that that wasn't just reading off the stuff i'm proud of us we did a thing look at that but um I part of me
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wants to do this Warcraft logs thing part of me wants to talk about the Warcraft Rumble thing we get to talk about so I'm going to put this up to a
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vote from you three do we talk Warcraft logs thing first or do we move to Warcraft Rumble and then come back to
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the logs i'm going to say let's just knock the logs out of the like out now so then we can give Cory some Joe's
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footing logs yeah I'd say go for the logs there's not there's not a super amount there to it beyond old man saying
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get off my porch about it because it's terrible okay i mean no bias here or
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anything that I'm going to actually say since that's Jakor's thing and that means at this point out of three
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possible votes two have gone to logs um which means that Liz I'm not going to make you have to say anything about it
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unless you want to i mean I put it on the list so we could talk about it all right so Corey what's wrong with this
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mod okay okay we've all heard if you've if you've done any please anything in
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the Warcraft community okay so there's a new mod that will uh in-game check your
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player against Warcraft log parses and then report those parses to the person
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checking you so they can see if on this fight how high you've ranked in the
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percentiles if you're really good you'll be up in the 80s 90s 99s if you're not
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so good you'll be down in the gray numbers 20s and 30s of course that was Warcraft log so it's just another eyele
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way of measuring your player performance raider IO score IO meter in game dungeon
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score it's just another metric to apply to a player in theory to ensure that the
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person you're recruiting for content is going to fit the content properly and not be a anchor on your group and drag
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you down great in theory in that kind of like you want to succeed and everyone you're playing with wants to succeed and
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this helps you find people to feed with right seems seems pretty st standard and
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straightforward but we've all if you've ever pugged anything in Warcraft you've probably experienced a situation where
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you as a perfectly chulant individual have been denied from a group you you
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have experience in the content you can you have the gear score necessary but
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for some reason they just don't bring you and that could be any number of reasons maybe the person in charge had a
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bad experience with a red paladin that one time maybe they've already got somebody who's going to switch to a red
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paladin they don't need a second one etc etc there's valid reasons and valid reasons or maybe you're now it is that
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hey the last time you went and fought Mythic Vexi you died right away because
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you didn't get any heals because the healers were all simultaneously went AFK to go refresh their drinks thinking that
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the beginning of the fight was fine and somebody pulled and the fight went super long and it died but now you've got this
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gray parse of like bottom 99% you're at the 1% level and now no one is ever
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going to bring you to that fight again until you get it get in again but that can be now harder because you've got this albatross around your neck of a bad
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score yeah I I have a lot of opinions on this and it's it's just every time we've
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come up with a way to measure performance in the game it never works out quite they want the way the pie in
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the sky best case scenario is expected to work out it always just turns into people being crappy to each other and
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therefore more exclusionary you're not the meta comp you're not the blank you're not the blank and sorry I just
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talked over you again no no no no you're you're you're fine i agree with you like this is this is part of what my problem is with it is like I like numbers i'm a
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numbers guy and anybody who's rated with me I mean Liz Liz has gone through this with me too i I look at numbers to try
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to help people understand like if they want to improve where they can improve and I try to do it very nicely and I'm
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not like you blank at this and you blank at that no it's more like hey I'm looking at this what is this new and and
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through conversations like uh it's one of the reasons like I understood last expansion uh where paladins were at
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because it led to a very deep conversation between me and Liz about it um but I also do that for myself i I
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look at what I'm doing on each fight i adjust things but that's a me thing and it's a very useful tool to have access
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to your logs and your parses and and stuff like that but the problem is is
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the community as a whole takes a lot of this stuff in a vacuum you can't like you mentioned uh composition and almost
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they never consider uh composition for it uh we already see this happening with
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just the in-game stuff with keys right um we already like if you're doing
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mythic pluses or as my guild calls them beds um you know if you haven't completed
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something at a high level but you're geared for it and you're fully capable of it a lot of groups will just exclude
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you and uh add-ons like Astral Keys already tell them what your highest
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completed is uh it already does it in the base UI of the game it tells you what the highest completed is when you
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go to to to add to a group and then adding something like this well again it will be a very useful tool potentially
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uh it is going to wind up having a thing where people are going to use it to exclude others from group content and
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we're at a point in this expansion where and this is anecdotal uh but those that are in my raid group we have a a hunter
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named Ado who is very good at being a hunter um he's a very he's an outlier
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for most statistics as far as our guild goes where he's just like super on and tuned into everything and there was a
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point where Ado who had successfully completed 11s in time was getting denied
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going to sixes because hunters were and I'm going to air quote here bad um I was
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getting excluded even though I have good numbers and good parses and anybody who's had me as a healer for them knows
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that I'm a damn good healer uh was getting excluded from fours fours and
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it's like it this is just going to add to that because if you if you have a group comp like again and I'll use
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myself as an example my numbers look better when my raid's doing worse or we
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have less healers right and if we or on progression fights my numbers are going to be fantastic like I have tons of 99
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parses uh but they're always on progression fights and they're always when half the raid's dead because we're
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just taking that much damage that's just the way my class works but the minute we get into you know everybody knows what
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they're doing my numbers tank because that's the way the class works or if we don't drop a healer my number is tank
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because that's the way the class works and so like if you're going purely off of parses and it's later on it doesn't
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matter if I have like a 700 eye level and I've you know cleared this on mythic or whatever you're going to look at it
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and be like "Well your numbers are bad you're not allowed to come to this." And you're going to see that across the board again it's like you said it's the
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pie in the sky and it's a useful tool and this is and don't get me wrong I love our friends at at Warcraft Logs um
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but people are going to use this for evil like I don't know any other way to say it right like it's it's inevitably
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going to get used like that so so people should be aware that this exists and what's going to happen and there is ways
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to opt out of it too uh but you have to go onto RA or Warcraft logs and opt out of public searching so it's not as
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simple as just logging into the game one day and a prompt comes up and says "Would you like your parses to be
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visible?" It's if you raid or group with anyone that is uploading logs to raider
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Warcraft logs then your name will be up there on those logs and you'll have to go turn it off yourself mhm so you can
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opt out it just requires a little extra work on your part yeah and in in which case also is that a sign about your you
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as a player where this add-on returns no values and now they're like oh well this person's hiding stuff so they must be
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bad or they blah blah blah yeah that's that is the problem with anytime we've had going back all the way to Cataclysm
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when they first put reforging in the game and instead of it just being oh hey I got these pants that dropped they're
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they're better than what I have but they have a stat I don't like it turned into jigsaw your stats into the perfect thing
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and we're gonna have multiple add-ons that are going to track whether or not you did it um so people would be coming
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to you oh you don't you need to do this because you don't have your your your uh reforging done right and then it just
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kept going with you know Raider IO and so forth it's just always a new way to tell people that they're not playing
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right uh or or just an excuse and it's like you can be an okay player i
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probably I would qualify myself as an okay player i do okay i'm not the worst
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player usually i am definitely not the best player i normally hate to interrupt
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people although I do it constantly but Liz I have there are two people in this conversation that have been a healer
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while I tanked and of those two people you do not look bad at all and that's
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Joe is the other one so I want you to understand what I'm saying here i You're saying that Joe does look bad i know i'm
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saying that I don't These are two of the only people I actually would trust if I went back into tanking to to heal me at
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one point Liz kept me up uh in we were doing an experimental run of I want to
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say legion dungeons uh we went into the one dungeon where there was like an entire room full of of demons and we
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were trying to get like those things pulled so we could go down and Liz healed me through literally enough
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damage that killed everybody else in the group she means if you got a tank and a healer
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you can keep going not very fast but theoretically so I just had to say that you are a very good player you may not
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think you are but you are there's an old joke that floats around that you don't get invited to a mythic plus run unless
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you've got the mythic raid clear and you've already got your keystone hero and you got 17 credits on IMDb and a
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presidential medal of honor and like seriously if you're if you have all
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these 99% polls like if if you've constantly doing within the 99% of world
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runs on this this content you don't need to do it in a pug you know what I mean or maybe you're on
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and you got you know a half hour to play and you're like people who need it aren't the people who are going to have
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all these polls the people who need it are the people who you know what I mean i just it annoys me yeah i mean it's
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it's going to hurt the people who need to run these things the most the people who have okay parses but aren't the best
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players in the world and there are you know when you're getting a 99% parse that's because you're better than a lot
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of players putting logs on Warcraft log and so that means a lot of people
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potentially in this middle ground that want to try or maybe they're even really low or maybe they don't have anything on
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Warcraft logs but they want to start getting into this they want to learn how to do this they want to get better at
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this or they need gear to keep advancing those are the kind of pe people this is
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likely to hurt because people forming pugs can already be super picky about
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gear and item levels and the classes they accept like oh you're not the the meta class right now i we don't need you
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so I this just has a potential to make it worse and more difficult
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just something to be aware of moving forward uh that it is out there and uh if you uh take the the moments go and
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opt out if you don't want to be involved in that and that's that's a okay now I
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want to move away from this and talk about some happier stuff because Warcraft Rumble's cute and I'm going to let Cory talk about Warcraft Rumble hey
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did you guys know that Warcraft Rumble's cute it is i heard it from a reliable source um yeah it's uh it's Lich King
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time in Warcraft Rumble uh as of time of recording on the Tuesday you've got
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eight days left to play his event as of publish time you'll have the weekend until Wednesday left to play his event
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the good news is that's definitely enough time to earn the Lich King in game without paying them any money he's
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uh a pretty solid leader he's a lot of fun everyone loves Arthus he's a well-designed character visually and
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mechanically death Knights are great um go in and jump in and play it it's probably their best event they've done
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yet uh you get him early on that you can earn way more in-game points than you
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need to unlock the full reward tree from the event without spending any real money and or by having like a bunch of
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stockpiled in-game gold and at the same time they've put some challenging missions in that are themed around him
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and themed around Ice Crown you go through the pit of Seron you climb up and you get to the frozen throne where
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you fight and each level you fight Arthus and to the first two he runs away and the third one you beat him on the
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top of ice ground just like in real life and wouldn't you know it they're fun they scale to your level uh they
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launched a little overpowered but uh they've they rained in the first one so
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it's a better difficulty curve on them and like I mentioned they scale to your level which is great and it's a fun
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challenging uh Warcraft Rumble experience that lets you fight the Lich King and then use the Lich King
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alongside him they've put a bunch of skins into the game for the Lich King that you unlock through the tree and
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even uh you can get golden versions of the footmen Griffin Rider and Tyrion by
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competing completing the new heroic siege of Storm Stormwind mode which Mitch and I did just last night which
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was actually a really good challenge the second heroic fight was very challenging we spent easily an hour and 20 minutes
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just trying to beat in Keeper Elephant over and over and over again so if you're playing Warcraft Rumble or you
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think you might jump in spend a little time poking around in the Lich King event he's available now for free in
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Warcraft Rumble without paying any money by just doing things in the event and trying the missions out after the event
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is over he will be available again in the future he's not gone forever but I don't know what that will look like so
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if you got an hour play it on the weekend if not you'll see him around again I'm sure but speaking of things
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like that hey Liz can I have 60 American dollars for what what do you need 60 American for Corey well I could buy
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8,300 googly eyes or I could buy the Lich King mega bundle from Warcraft
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Rumble oh I don't know if I have I don't know if I have $60 for that maybe if you
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were going to buy the googly eyes they they are a solid investment you can never go wrong with 8,300 googly eyes
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but they've I go wrong with anything i don't know what you're talking about trust me
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for some reason that they think that people really want to spend $60 US on a
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bundle of things for Arthus Lich King in Warcraft and oh boy is that a lot of money to spend on Warcraft Rumble all at
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once in one go that is the price of a full game with story and missions and
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voice acting and cinematics and a bunch of achievements and on a console or something right or that is two indie
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games or seven indie games or 60 indie games if they're a dollar each so man
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like and and you don't you get a cosmetic skin for Arthus that it's just
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the prince of Lordon it's him before he got all this kingified although he still does have Frostorn because that's kind
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of important for the character model and you get some cool ice crown themes for your towers and you get a bunch of
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in-game resources and you level up your your Arthus a little bit faster at the
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beginning but like I said by playing the game you probably have a good handle on
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getting your Arthus most of the way to that same level of power without giving them $60 American which is $85 it's $75
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Canadian in game which is still a lot of money i It's boggling to me i went and
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saw Anne Wilson and Nancy Wilson as Hart at the Coliseum here just the other
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weekend and the ticket was only $50 including fees so I could go and see
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Legends of Rock and Roll for less money than I could buy could spend on The Lich
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King it's ridiculous i uh I get it's a free-to-play game and I get that I don't have to spend money on it if I don't
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want to and if it was just cosmetics I would make that argument even harder but at the same time that's so much money
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and I have given money to Warcraft Rumble in the past i've bought the monthly booster where for 30 days you
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get a little extra daily gold and a little extra daily experience and I've bought the cheap five or $12 kind of
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bundle for new units when they do them at that that cheap cheaper price point i
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you know what i've got five bucks and I really want to get a few more points into my priestess or my swirl troll or
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whoever it was yeah okay i'll give you five bucks Warcraft Rumble you entertain me etc etc but when they start them at
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the $30 price point or the $60 price point that is just it's so much money all at once and I cannot do that and I
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don't know who else is doing it it's it's a lot of money especially when you consider like like you said the cost of
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games although I will say that the cost of a new game is a little bit higher than that and yes it is a freeto play it
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is a freetoplay game um it's it's weird and and we've talked about this before
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uh free-to-play games have a weird spot when they want to keep producing the
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game uh and make sure that they keep you know the project stays alive and
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Blizzard free-to-play games almost never and this is my opinion I don't have any
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uh data to back this up because they never release any of this data i feel like most of the free-to-play games that
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they've had didn't really have a hard time maintaining their budget through cosmetics or other stuff to begin with
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um and in this one it's this feels like an Overwatch bundle does that make sense
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yeah like you're unlocking the hero you're getting a skin and then you're getting some conditional stuff or you can earn
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23 of it in game but still have to buy the skin and it's almost exactly the old
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Overwatch model which for better or worse was a thing so again if it's your
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thing great fantastic uh if it's not I mean you can just earn the stuff in game
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level up the stuff and then spend less money on the skin if you really really want it um and I can't say too much bad about it cuz I'm one of those people
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that like free to play games I think should offer skins as sort of like their their monetization that makes sense to
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me but yeah I don't know it's just that's a that's a lot of money for me as far as I'm concerned i think I think the
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really important thing here is to be aware that Arthus is available you can just go and play the game and get him
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which is something I frankly did not understand when I logged into Rumble i had talked to Corey because it presents
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you this bundle it's like "Hey get Arthus." And it's not like in fine print or play the game and get Arthus for free
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i I did not understand that until I had this conversation because in the game it just heavy advertisement for Arthus for
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$60 but actually yeah actually it's an in-game event and you can play and get Arthus and that's if you like playing
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Rumble or if you haven't tried it yet just don't feel like you need to go in and spend $60 you can play the game and
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collect stuff without spending yeah yeah and and if you play the game and you find that you don't enjoy it then you
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haven't spent $60 on it before getting that point that's a win that's a win
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speaking of wins uh we're going to move on to some other games now because we've
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covered a good chunk of what's going on with Blizzard at the moment uh and this particular story is pretty important to
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gaming as a whole industry uh Zenamax has a union it's one of the first unions in North American video game companies
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and after two years of trying to deal with with Microsoft amazingly Microsoft is actually really hard to
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deal with as a union uh any other a whole variety of other unions could already have told you that um they have
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not been able to negotiate the deal and though right now uh the union is voting
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on whether or not they're going to strike uh the union has called for a strike and the discussion is on um this
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is a big deal for a lot of reasons the first reason it's a big deal is this is one of the ma first major North American
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unions and that that came that started out uh in the wake of quite a lot of
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really awful stuff revealed about various game companies including the the Activision problem uh if you remember
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Activision uh and Bobby Cody came out multiple scandals on that front go ahead
45:58
Liz we remember it's you can't you can't forget that disaster so um I want to
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know what you guys think about the strike uh whether or not you think it's going to have an effect if you think
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Microsoft is going toly crush it like where are you guys going i'm going to talk to Liz first go ahead Liz i I think
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the thing is this is a common union busting tactic to Microsoft has said
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they will accept unions but accepting the union letting the union form without
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actively getting in its way is different from actually negotiating a fair deal
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with the union so the union formed and now it's been 2 years trying to
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negotiate a contract between the union and Microsoft and they haven't managed to do it so Microsoft is dragging their
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feet on making a deal the union seems to want fair wages they want some uh
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flexibility on return to office particularly since return to office requires a lot of people to live in
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places that are more expensive that have a higher cost of living that maybe Microsoft doesn't want to pay them for
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so and they're also talking about some workers who do not have benefits they have contract workers that are working
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without sick leave without uh health benefits and things of that nature so
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what they are looking for is at least what it sounds like from their announcement is they want a living wage
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they want to have health benefits sick leave things like that and they haven't
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been able to negotiate that with Microsoft so it does feel like a a living wage is not is not a hard ask
47:42
also at the same time the return to office thing is a thing we're seeing all over the place throughout corporate
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America companies are asking people to return to office but not always making
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it easy to return to office which is a lot of which is by design it's not a bug
47:58
yeah i mean we see a lot of companies who are asking you to return to the office but they've sold off a lot of office space through the pandemic
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because no one was using it and now you're you're on like a hot desk system where you go and claim any desk in front
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of you i I should clarify i don't know if that's happening here but that has
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been a point of conflict with a lot of companies asking people to return to the office so I don't know how this is going
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to go but this is this is the power of a union is that they can call for a strike
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and say "Hey we've tried to negotiate with you we've tried to come to an agreement but we are going to
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collectively strike for better working conditions." That is a power you do not have when you don't have a union because
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it's just it's you and the company negotiating your future here you do have
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more power but at the same time can you afford to just go on strike that's also a problem this can be very difficult to
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go on a strike particularly if it lasts for a long time mhm there is a strike
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does anyone remember when the strike for uh voice actors started that's still going on you don't hear about it but
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it's dragged on for a long time yeah i mean because there's a reason Res was
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not voiced in this current uh current uh content release because uh voice actors want some
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protections against artificial intelligence is the big one to say they aren't just going to be replaced by AI
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voices so but that's dragged on for a long time and that's going to hurt you
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know working actors in the same way that this could hurt employees you know can
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you afford to just walk off a job so it sort of depends on who's going to blink first is it going to be Microsoft or is
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it going to be the union zamax is in a pretty strong position here I think
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because this is a very large game studio i mean this is we're talking Bethesda and Arcane some of these big studios
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making big games and I don't know i don't know someone else jump in what do you all think i think it's really
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important to talk about the fact that one of the problems we have here is that the people who are being represented
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here people think that you know if you have a job in the industry then you're
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made but um there's a line here that I really want to make uh this is from you
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know one of their uh QA testers i don't want to say her name just in case even though her name's in the article I don't
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want to say it because I don't want to drive people at her but her makes a really good point our in-house contractors have been working on minimum
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wage with no benefits including no paid sick time workers are choosing not to
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start families because of the uncertainty of finances we've released multiple titles while working fully
50:48
remote when will enough be enough and that's the problem you talk about like
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Liz made a good point about like how ZMAX is in a good position because it is essentially it's Bethesda and it's
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arcane it's a lot of big studios doing big games but it's also it's profiting
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off of these people who are being paid minimum wage like imagine that that they
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are getting paid the same as if they worked at a McDonald's i actually think McDonald's goes above minimum wage in a
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lot of places uh so to to like insist that they be they move to like places
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like in the case of Bethesda they're outside Washington DC they're in Maryland outside Washington DC not the
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cheapest place to live i I used to live there and that was like 20 years ago mind you but it wasn't cheap then and I
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doubt it got cheaper since uh so yeah this is a situation where the people
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here are being exploited there's no other way to put this paying paying their entire Q paying their like QA team
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minimum wage with no benefits uh that's crazy that's the idea that they can
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afford to do the things you want them to do uh it just it is I don't see how you
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you strike for a day a one day work stoppage is not going to fix this and it just feels like everything's getting bad
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in terms of this it just feels like an it's it's quiet obstructionism instead of loud obstructionism if that makes any
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sense it's Microsoft making sure that they just never do anything and therefore nobody can get anything done
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they can't change the contracts that were negotiated before the union existed they can't get the union in there to put
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in protections uh and yeah it's that just keep coming back to that that
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they're paid minimum wage with no benefits minimal not minimum yeah yeah
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but still it's minimal wage with no benefits including no paid sick time but you're right i said minimum and it was
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minimal it's still crazy agreed i just want to make sure we're being we we're being authentic no you're you are
52:48
completely right i used the wrong word there cuz I misread it um but you know blind so the fact that I read it at all
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is actually pretty good um yeah know it's it's just it's a bad situation and
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I don't know how well the union is going to be able to take on this they're fighting Microsoft beyond in the past
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Microsoft has we have seen Microsoft deal with unions by eliminating those jobs we've seen Microsoft do that before
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and they've said they were going to support these unions but at the same time they've also not been able to
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negotiate a contract with the union so we just we don't know and 94% of the
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union voted to authorize a strike that is not the same as a strike starting we
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don't have a date when the strike will strike we do not know if it's going to get to that level but 94% that's not an
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insignificant number voted we have to do this we have to make a stand so that we
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can get what we need so we can get fair working conditions and fair wages well
53:51
companies like Microsoft are doing pretty well for themselves a lot of video game companies continue to report
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record profits quarter after quarter while at the same time paying wages that
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don't let people afford to take sick days don't let them afford to start families don't let them afford to live
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where their office is so it's it's a difficult situation and I I don't know
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who's going to blink first i have nothing to add that has not already been said yep well then we can move on to a
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slightly less horrible story um Nintendo Direct has now got its new app which is
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solely for Nintendo news and upcoming news events which as I feel like it's already in the notes are we just
54:36
reinventing blogs but now their apps will somebody join my web ring which I think is one of the funnier things
54:42
that's that's funny right there that make your April Fool's jokes about like you know Nintendo now having a bunch of
54:48
apps on the Switch but go ahead talk about that if you feel like they go sayless it's just
54:54
interesting because they had they had a conference on Nintendo Direct to announce a bunch of things and one of those things was an app to announce the
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news do we need do we need I know we the joke is there's an app for that do we
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need an app for that i can tell you why could just go okay tell us i want to know yeah because they you cannot trust
55:14
the news cycles anymore based off of where you are in the world versus if they have an app you can guarantee that
55:20
people that want to get the news and information will get the news and information because if Nintendo let's say isn't uh willing to pay a certain
55:27
alphabetical company to be promoted uh information regarding their uh their
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next events or things like that might be buried in searches so I understand why they made this choice and I can't really
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say I blame them so yeah if you played Cyberpunk and you remember the you know bulcanization of the new net here we are
55:48
uh but one of the things we are going to get Nintendo news about this week is that they are officially revealing the
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Switch 2 as we are recording this they you know they didn't want to do it on
55:59
April 1st they're doing it on April 2nd so that they did do it on April 1st it'd
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be a really good chance that nobody would have believed them see I think part of the problem with
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April Fool's joke is that the best April Fool's joke was when Google announced
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Gmail on April Fool's Day and everyone was like "That's hilarious a web mail
56:23
client with that much storage you're really funny Google." And then it's like the next day and it's like "No no we're
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doing this we're really doing this." So you can't top that one it's just really
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difficult so here we are but Nintendo sensibly waiting a day okay and now we
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turn to the thing that I have I'm sure Joe has wanted to talk about a bit we just want to talk about Joe yeah so this
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is a happy note uh so you all know how I like love the game Marvel Rivals uh and
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I love comic books well they're combining the two which was seemed like an inevitability at this point uh so as
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of this recording uh tomorrow which is new comic book day if you haven't noticed comic books release on
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Wednesdays friends uh yeah we're getting the Marvel Rivals number one uh drops
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which is uh got a whole bunch of different variant covers uh it's got some really cool like uh what is it uh
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Rian Gonzalez Virgin has a really awesome like retro future chibi uh style cover um there's an Adam Warren cover
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that is just like it's got Galactica and everybody around her like there's just some really really really cool uh cover
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variants which I think are really nice uh and I'm super excited for it i So the
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reason also I wanted to put this in here is because they're doing something that it obviously makes sense because it's a Marvel game that Overwatch was going to
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do and then didn't do hey weren't there some Overwatch comic
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no there never was that was announced the the there was web web things that were released but they were supposed to
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do a comic I think it was with Darkhorse if I remember correctly um uh yeah and
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then they just they they canceled the project they pulled it back and it was going to be about the Blackw Watch days
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and you know all that stuff it was Yeah it was supposed to be about the the that stuff and it was also supposed to be potentially if it did well it was going
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to be expanding the story in the game through the comic books uh because the
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game wasn't really releasing the story like directly in game and so they were originally going to do that and they
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just didn't and Marvel Rivals is like well we are Marvel we are a comic
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company all right well everyone wants to keep everyone wants to keep comparing us to Overwatch let's just do the things
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that they don't want to do uh so I'm actually really excited about Marvel is a comic book company that's like you
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just walk over to somebody and go hey write this yeah I know it's not that easy but I'm
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saying I'm I for one am glad that I can finally read a sp a comic book about
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Spider-Man that seems like it was just made to go together yeah i mean well yeah honestly honestly quite frankly
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what I want to see is instead of all these comic books where Spider-Man is a person in a mech suit of some kind that
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we get an Iron Man who is bitten by like a radioactive iron or something he's he is Iron and I I would like to also point
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out that the person writing uh the comics uh the Marvel Marvel comics which is Paul Allure uh with art by uh Luca
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Claretti uh Paul Allure has done some such wonderful things as Street Fighter versus Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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Power Rangers comics uh Godzilla comics uh like this is this is bread and butter
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for that and I'm super super super excited for it uh All right yeah yeah
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