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This week we put on the tinfoil hat to contemplate Xal'atath's plans for the future, the nature of the void, and where we might be going in the Midnight expansion due out in 2026. As with most of our wild speculation episodes, the conversation goes off the rails and then forgets there were ever rails in the first place. Enjoy!
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hello and welcome to Lore Watch a round table free form discussion about lore in your favorite media i'm your host Joe
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I would say epic Godzillaesque co-hosts with me Matt Rossy but I don't know what
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that's what they're doing in the States yeah I think it's all done by Legendary in the States now uh for those of you at
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home you should listen to our main cast sometimes uh Matt has been back on the
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Godzilla kick and I can't say I blame him yeah it's it's it's a nice thing to to be watching you know gigantic
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monsters destroying everything instead of say you know the reality of the situation um because at least the giant
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giant monsters do funny things like curl up inside the coliseum for a nap because they're cats or or punch a big ape with
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a there's two apes i guess there's more than two apes
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king Kong's got his whole like you know he's got a friendly group of gorilla people that I guess he has to beat up
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one of them but then he gets to have the rest of them as his gorilla family i guess it we're we're rapidly approaching
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synergy between Donkey Kong and King Kong where they could each bring their
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family to some kind of meeting um of course Donkey Kong is much smaller than Geng Kong and King Kong has a giant
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cybernetic arm it's not really cybernetic it's It is a glove but he doesn't actually lose his hand he just
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gets really It gets really hurt so it's more like a what are those casts you can get to help you like you know when
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you've when you've hurt your hand oh fair and Yeah so it's it's not I mean it does still increase his punching power
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stuff because of course the giant gorilla needs a big metal glove to punch things even harder with cuz King Kong
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known for not punching hard enough uh you know but yeah you know it's a thing we should talk about something else or
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otherwise I will not be able to stop as you can tell folks there will probably be a Godzilla episode in the future uh
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name without further ado let's get into the first question and this one comes from OneUp versus CPU which is "We don't
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know much about Midnight so it's a perfect time for wild speculation since we're going to Silver
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Moon do you think the Sunwell will be involved i was thinking maybe Zealot could turn it into a void well for void
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related activities is that even possible?" I I don't know why but this is a nonsequer maybe a little aside when
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you said for void related activities I heard it in the Hank Hill voice for void and void related activities cuz I don't
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know why i just did oh I don't know void and void related activity oh I'm the wrong guy sorry dang
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it Z anyway um yes we're probably going to have something involving the Sunwell
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right it the Sunwell is pretty central to Silver Moon in general uh it is one
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of the things that has popped up in story a lot uh their existence and sort
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of like why they're where they are and while it may not be exactly right there
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inside of the major city uh they owe their existence just off the coast man it's you know it's close enough this is
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like saying that it's in Staten Island so it doesn't really count no it's it counts man it's right there depends on
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who you ask from New York anyway um I know that's exactly my problem with the the crazy but the the idea that it we
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would go there and there wouldn't be anything involved with with the Sunwell is it would be weird right it's a huge
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font of cosmic energy like that's what it is and yeah Zela seems to be hunting
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for that right now right sorry go ahead Matt all I'll say is I mean the in terms of the the second question like the is
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that even possible i mean anything they want to say is possible they can write whatever they want but in terms of
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what's already been established the current Sunwell has a big old Naru thing stuck in the middle of it and Naru go
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void all the time yeah this Naru went void before we put him in the Sun well
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there's a whole thing where we fought him um he he ruined guilds he ended guilds man he was he was something so
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yeah it's quite possible because we we've literally fought him he was void
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we unvoided him by beating him up and then we stuck him in the Sunwell you know yeah i don't see why he couldn't I
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don't see why the why the Sunwell couldn't go void you know it could start flipping between the two for all I know we we've seen that we've seen that with
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that big crystal on on in uh the the hollow halo i want to say hop or not
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beam um Belladar bellamth is the crystal but the zone is No Bellam is Bellamoth
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is the zone for the the new elf city belladar is the Belladar is the crystal
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yeah what's the zone though hollow something holofall holofall yeah so I mean right there that thing keeps going
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from light to void and back who knows why could why couldn't the sun well that seems quite possible mild spoilers for
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the current content tier patch uh that's on retail right now so come back in like 3 minutes if you uh haven't caught up
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yet with the story line of of Undermine because this actually relates the damaged dark heart or void heart that
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you know we busted Khadgar out of well we found out that Zalot was you know
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went to Giwix to get it repaired because apparently the goblins knew a way to go
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ahead and get that done but then we saw a whole bunch of void etherealss show up uh these are the absolution
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absolutionists that we've encountered a few times before uh that wanted to see the the entire universe burn down to ash
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uh we've been dealing with them since we went to Argus really um came and took it so she doesn't have her dark heart
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anymore she doesn't have her void heart and what do you need when you have like to me a crystalbased object that's
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capable of absorbing a metric ton of energy possibly void-based energy well
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like Matt just pointed out we literally have one like at the center of the current Sunwell so why wouldn't Zat try
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to go get that piece if she can't get her original dark heart back we don't know if she'll be able to get the void
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heart back or not um but I mean I certainly would love to to go on the
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adventure where Zalot raids the void etherealss it's like wow okay is this
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like a heist movie like you know we could totally do a heist movie about this i mean don't get me wrong I'm calling it now that we're going to get
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into like it is going to be a heist but it's going to be us racing against Zealot to get the the Void Heart back
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it's going to be like a simultaneous thing like remember in Battle for Azeroth where the Alliance and the Horde split up and went to different sides mhm
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yeah it's going to be kind of like that except Zotath and us racing against each other Grand Prix style so that's my
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that's my hot take we'll see if we come back to it and I and I hit the I hit that prediction but see here I am in
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this weird position like where I I very much would like to see us go to the Sunwell and do all sorts of Sunwell
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related high jinks that'd be great i totally be down for Zolotath going to steal that but I want to go to Caresh
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real bad yeah and I think we are i think I think that's where we're going to wind up in Midnight yeah so what I would like
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to see is we go to Caresh we find out what if Dementius is dead or if is in
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fact went back there and is still dimensionisting it up um what the like just there's a lot I would like to see
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on that place what what what is Locust Walker's deal man what what is your deal
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you are clearly voidy yet you seem to be on our side what's going on with you
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Locust Walker um so yeah that that's stuff I would like as much as I as I
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totally do want to go to the Sunwell again and I do think you're totally right in that if she can't get her heart
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back uh that's that's got to be at least on your list of things that you could be
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used in this way that's got to be on it right yeah it is literally a Daru chunk
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well because I'm thinking about it too right because on the list of things that that Zelath can do right now it's kind
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of a lot of the options have been closing off now that I'm thinking about it in Dragon Flight the we we got we
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reconciled the bronze dragon flight and the infinite dragon right we literally
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spent an entire quasi content release drop doing remists where it was both the
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bronze and the infinite taking us back in time which again at a specific point
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where void related activities were happening you know dark evil old god stuff uh I don't think that was an
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accident by the way I think that was intentional uh but Zelth can't go back in time really anymore she doesn't
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necessarily have that ability at least that we know of um beforehand the only
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reason she got back there when we literally went back to Ariticron's downfall or noticron's downfall um why
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can't I think of the the big googly like monster that the all the dragons fought gacron there we go gacron yep got there
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in the end folks uh Gacron's downfall to watch Iridicron uh grab all that energy
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into the void heart uh part of that was basically because they were led there by
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the Infinite Dragonfly that avenue is now closed or at least we assume it's closed which means that Zelath can't
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just go back in time and get the void heart again well I mean there are still members of the Infinite Dragonfly who decided they don't like this thing that
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they're doing they there's not all on board yeah so you could get you could get some but I I get what you're saying
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i just think it is not entirely impossible fair and it might not be entirely impossible i think it is more
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unlikely i think it's much more likely for her to be looking for incredible power sources that are currently
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available and easier to get her undead hands on um and the Sunwell is probably
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up there among them cuz what other options are really truly available at this point doon's gone uh we don't know
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what treasures got scattered to the wind there so there might be options there she could try to assault Karazan um
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that's one of the few places on Azeroth that I don't see that going well for her yeah I don't that doesn't sound like a
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very good idea like the this the at the very least whatever the current incarnation of Medivh is chilling there
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uh and while Khadgar is definitely a very powerful mage Medivh is no longer bound by that which is mortality uh and
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has never been bound by that which is morality and it's his home turf uh I don't think Yeah and plus you know
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there's a reason that Karazan is so messed up yeah yeah the lay lines that that meet there
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twistime and they are ridiculously potent they are potent to the point that
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when all the other lay lines are getting pulled to Northrren the ones under Karazan did not go anywhere they didn't
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even budge they were like "No we're staying here." Uh it's quite possible that there that's a it's a natural
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layline nexus it's not one that was created by anybody including the Dragon Flights it's It might be power from
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before the Titans even showed up on Azeroth it might be one of the original ones which would definitely mean that
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it's it's not to be trifled with and it seems to have a personality like it it
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seems to choose people like it liked Khadgar it approved of him so it let him
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hang around uh there there's a lot to Carazon the fact that the place literally came into existence in a giant
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anti-exlosion it's like it literally there was a big explosion and then there was a there's a tower there yeah i
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maintain that the only reason we've gotten any artifacts or anything out of there is because Karazan and or Medivh wanted us to and that is the only reason
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we got that stuff out of there yeah and it's entirely possible that the reason Kaz that that Medivh is the way he is
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now whatever he is now is that Karazhan decided it missed its friend you know cuz Medivh was the only person to go
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there and just kind of like settle in you know he nobody else it as many times
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has been said it it felt to many that the cat that the tower was literally born for Medivh like it it came into
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existence so Medivh would have a place to go so yeah who knows maybe sometime in the future Medivh is going to do
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something to make Karazan travel back in time and exist i no idea but regard
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regardless I don't think that Zelath would have an easy or any sort of time trying to assault that or getting anything out of there uh I mean the
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Legion got a foothold in a small section of it because they found out that it was
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touching a piece of the Twisty Nether that they could exploit yeah but even then what did they do they like they got
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to like the the roof and then they sent some guys inside who didn't accomplish much of anything they didn't even really
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send anybody inside they couldn't get past the door yeah because there was there was the big chess game that apparently you couldn't get through
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so yeah it's I don't know man well I mean there was like there were some etherealss on the lower levels but you
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kind of get the feeling like etherealss and Karazhan would be okay with each other like at least normal etherealss
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like they're not they would probably go to war against the void etherealss there's definitely no love loss there but regardless I think I think that
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Zalot would be if Karazan is a living entity the white blood cells of Karazhan would would repel it before Poly Medivh
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even got to lift a finger um the interesting thing though I think now that we're talking about this is that
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there are other options for very powerful things that exist in Azeroth
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that Zath could go after the Sunwell just seems like the most powerful it's probably the top of the list because the
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eye of Almond's gone right yeah ooh but there's another reason why there's another reason why she might look to to
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the Sun well her body held Felameth she's she's a highly placed the physical
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body she is currently riding around in is a highly placed blood elf mage that is dead and as a result it could inside
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the memory of that body which you're going to tell me you're going to tell me Zalat can't tap into the mind of that of
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that thing i do not believe that um in the mind of of Zalot could be all the
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security measures ne that are te kept around the Sunwell she could basically have a road mapap on how to get in which
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I think is worth considering if you're gonna do something to get a lot of power you're going to do things where you can
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when she took she took on the form of that one guy I can't remember but the one that the one that like everybody was
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like "He's dead why is he here?" Um Dren she she learned everything he knew right drendan yeah yeah drennan she knew
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everything Drennan knew why wouldn't she know everything the current host body that she has knew and if she know learns
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everything it knew then she'd have she'd have at least much better odds of getting in so why pick someplace else
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you know why try to get the you know the stones from Ashara like the the one that she stole we've got the other ones too
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right i guess the eye of Madul still exists cuz we we took it and used it to as one of the four pillars of of
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creation right yeah but I I I I was still unclear about this because we went
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back and used them in their capacity it's a night well we got rid of the night well we did get rid of the night
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well by the eye of Yeah we we got rid of the night well which was the eye of Ammon but I guess maybe this is
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something we we haven't had clarification on is what happened with the pillars of creation after we were
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done we know that the tide stone was scooped up by Ajara but also she did
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nothing else with it afterwards which seems a little bit weird the tier of uh
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Aloon had to be recreated because it was either corrupted or completely gone and
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used up the hammer was still chilling in Doaron but we don't know if it had also
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been spent uh and the aegis had been burned as well because we had used it inside of the temple we use the energy
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of everything in our pursuit to basically fight back the legion so the question is did all of those items still
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retain their power did everything still have that level of cosmic energy that she would be potentially even interested
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or does it still have the capacity to be charged go ahead i mean I'm looking at like various sources here uh as far as I
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know they used it to seal off the portal that doesn't mean that it's dead it's just currently sealing off the portal um
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but that's an interesting point is that is if Ashara could then come in and take the tide stone and keep in mind we used
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the tide stone too and she just came and took it and she did use it again that's how she created that huge wall of water
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in the ocean she used the tide stone to do that so that we could walk around on on the area instead of drowning uh she
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did that so basically to lure us into her raid because she wanted us to come and bring the heart of Azeroth uh that's
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the whole weirdness of the the what we know about the four uh pillars of
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creation is that we know at least one of them still worked and was being used by somebody else because Ashari did use it
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um the eye of armor tool I don't know I don't know if it's ever been used again since i don't know if the hammer has
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been used again since uh I don't know if it was used yeah but
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whether or not it still works is completely beyond me i have no idea um I know that
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Ellisand did time travel stuff without it mhm and but is that because she just
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knows so much about time magic now from having the thing for so long uh we know that the night well's gone but we don't
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It's really up in the air i would like I would like to see them give us more information on whether or not the Pillars of Creation still work yeah um
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because it does seem to me that if the tide stone can still work and it did still work in Ashara's hands that means
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others could but we definitely need to see more we just don't know the the efficacy of it right we don't know the
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efficiency or or what level of power is left if it can be recharged like the hammer of Casgar it it's a very powerful
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we saw it used then we used it again and then it just sat in dollar like I don't like I agree with you i don't think we
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saw it used again so where it is is out there and I would be surprised if it
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it's the only reason I can think that she would not go after those particular artifacts are because they are not
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capable of doing what she needs um the other interesting thing and somebody brought this up when I was just kind of
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like in a random mythic plus pug group uh the other night which was I thought was interesting um somebody asked like
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when the hell are we going to do anything about the giant Sargerasa sword that's still sticking out of Azeroth we literally start this expansion by like
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going to talk with Anduin who's just kind of staring at it and the interesting thing about that is that's a piece of Titan right like a fully formed
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Titan that's a piece of them yeah we sucked a lot of that energy out and and made it inert with our our legendary
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artifacts and stuff like that well did we we made them inert but that's what I was going to say all we know about the
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sword is that we made I'm sorry i I know I interrupt you no no you're good you're good go with it man i just think that in
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the case of the sword we know that by we drew out the power that it was going to use to poison something or at least
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that's what we were told um and that's why our artifacts were going super crazy for a while before they all went inert
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and Zalat was one of those artifacts she sure was
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and therefore would have gone through that experience which might have been enough for for them to get out of the
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dagger you know what I'm saying like maybe that's the first step it had to take to free itself it had to get um you
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know bloody heck I want to say Ilgenoth but that's not his name uh N'oth it had to get N'oth's help to to finish the job
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to free itself completely but maybe it was getting exposed to that Titan energy
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and it would have been really weird fell corrupted Titan energy at that cuz it was from Sargeras in order to start the
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process and you know for all we know the sword is I think it's interesting that
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people keep saying "When are we going to do something about the sword when are we going to do something about the sword?" Imagine if the sword was something that
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had been placed into Azeroth 10,000 years ago mhm would you be hearing a lot
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of when are we going to do something about the sword heck there was a giant sword uh in in the head of an ancient
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monster and and we left it there for like centuries eons the uh the master's
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glaive yep we didn't take it out why is everyone convinced we're going to take the sword out i don't This is the thing
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maybe maybe that's a terrible idea for a couple of reasons maybe it's like us being you know you don't just if someone
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gets stabbed in real life you don't just pull the knife out you leave it in until you get them to a hospital because if
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you just yank a thing out and there's nobody there to keep the thing from bleeding to death that's probably what
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will happen mhm we don't know that we want a whole bunch of like it azerite came all over the place just from that
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sword stabbing the planet pulling it out might just spray Azeroth Azerite everywhere and if the planet loses all
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its Azerite does it keep living yeah but it loops back it loops back to going
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back to Zotath where I don't know that there are other options really available
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for her that are powerful enough to accomplish because she got maybe what she already needed from Sargeras's sword
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right like as Matt pointed out it's it's one of those things that may have been what sparked her ability to be pulled
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out of the those the the the blade and put into another body because Titans are
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really good at making stuff old gods really aren't you know food for thought um and it's also the fact that you know
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whether or not it did that we know that she's different now yeah she's changed i think I think that's there there's
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something there but I mean I I still struggle to think of anything else powerful enough that she could twist it
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to become something like that the the void heart cuz like even going to the Nexus and and and going to the Oculus
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and and places like that that's not as powerful as it used to be uh go ahead
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where's the Heart of Azeroth canonically I don't know it wasn't to my memory it
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wasn't in any way shape or form destroyed or weakened like lorewise i
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don't think there's anything about it after we use it no it's it's it's inert now it's inert after that inert isn't
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the same as destroyed true if you wanted to take something that's really good at holding tons of energy the heart of
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Azeroth was absolutely that it is a Yeah it's referred to as a de powered trinket
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not a powerful item i don't know i think that that's poss it's one of the things to think about especially considering
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that that thing that the jailer was using was basically very similar to the heart of Azeroth wasn't it thing he was
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using in his whole quest to turn Azeroth into whatever he was going to do to to make it Zerith or to uh re reformat
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everything i said this before and I'll say this again i think the entire chamber that we were fighting the jailer in at the end was one giant heart like
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like the heart of Azeroth just had a a massive scale cuz the centerpiece of it looked exactly like the center of the
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heart of Azeroth the room had a very similar shape to the way that the the cranulations were i I think that was
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also intentional but you know that's just me which to me thinks that we could at least I think there are a few other
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options i think we that we could in fact see her go after um one of the you know pillars of creation if there was one
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that she really suited to her here's here's a real here's a question for you how do we know that the void heart isn't
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the heart of Azeroth already we don't I certainly don't because the the heart of Azeroth was able to absorb Azerite which
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is the very essence of a world soul and this is consuming a whole bunch of power and energy so and she took the heart
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whatever the void heart is she took it to undermine to be fixed by goblins mhm
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what's the one substance that goblins know a lot about they know a lot about Azerite well casite but they know a lot
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about Azerite because they know about because they had some before anybody
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else and it activated once the planet started being wounded like he had a chunk of Giwix in particular had a chunk
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of Azerite that he was carrying around with him for years before it actually started doing anything you're gonna tell
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me he didn't study it well or have somebody else study it we assume that it didn't do anything we don't know that
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for a fact the way he presented it seems like it might have like he may have been getting flashes of inspiration from it the entire time at either rate either he
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you know even if we we taken a face value that it wasn't doing anything we know he would have studied it or had
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someone else do that if he thought it was too risky for him to and if it was giving him ideas there's absolutely no
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way he didn't study it personally i mean Gwix says a lot of things um greedy um
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malfeasant kind you know pretty close to evil but he's not stupid if he's got
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that thing he's going to want to know how to make the best use of it so it's
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in fact possible if if the heart of Azeroth is the void heart it makes sense that he she would take it to them yeah
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and the interesting thing is like is what is what is the the description we get of the dark heart when we first see it right like uh it is the an ancient
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relic belonging to Nther belonging to Netheran the earth border that has been imbued with the primal hunger of Gacron
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which is what allows it to absorb magical power of various types and convert it into shadow sounds a lot like
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what the heart of Azeroth was just not the heart the other thing is it might not be the the heart that we used but it
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you know it's a relic that Narion had and that irritron you know invested with
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the power of Gacron if and Netheran go ahead we know there have been other speakers magny was not the first we know
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now we know now that there was a whole class of of Earth that were like Magny
26:40
that were the whole reason why Earthn were made into the form that they're currently in right now and why like if
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you do the discs the the the disc stuff to to get the archives online and go through the story line the Titans and
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Titan Watchers didn't want them doing that they wanted them to do their programming they wanted them to
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essentially be prisoners um they didn't want them to to to have free will so they kind of took that away from them
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but before that there were a whole bunch of magnes running around there were a whole bunch of ones that were listening to the song of Azeroth this technology
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this connection to to Azeroth existed before the heart of Azeroth was created
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it could be one of those ancient relics that you know Narion came across pretty easily right like it's there's nothing
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that says that he buried under the earth that was what he do yeah just throwing that out there too that's Man that'd be
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that'd be wild i also will point out that when Chrommy looks at the at the uh
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dark art before it gets fully made she states that it resembles the dragon soul
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but even more ancient yeah there you And it's like if if Milarian had this thing
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and was using it as a template when he created the dragon soul that means that it is inherently good at holding power
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because the dragon soul that's what the dragon soul was it was a big reservoir of the power of four of the five uh
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members of the the original you know dragon you know aspects so yeah this
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thing it keeps coming back around to the idea that you know keep in mind a lot of Titan dragon stuff is Titan stuff mhm
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and a lot of a lot of Titan stuff is the stuff that got corrupted by people like
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Narion um to get used for the you know the for the purposes of the old gods
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which means void ultimately even if the old gods themselves aren't the ones it just it is really weird to think about
28:34
if you look at the thing it does look an awful lot like the heart of Azeroth it does like it really does so yeah I don't
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know yeah and then going back to the the whole thing with Zotth my my theory in this again slight spoilers here uh with
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Faze Thief Azir taking it is that like going back to the original thing we're going to wind up in Kesh i think that's
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the ultimate goal right caresh is the largest concentration of void energy
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period we know that we know that for a fact um if this thing is made to consume
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energy and empower the person that's wielding it or allowing them to do whatever why wouldn't you go there
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unless they're looking to consume other things and then dump it into that to make it larger like the Eye of Terror
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and 40K before it became the giant um but yeah so I think she'd be looking for
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a way to catch up with the uh the phase thief uh Azir and try to find a power
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source that will let her travel because again she's been just kind of chilling on Azeroth she hasn't gone anywhere so
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she she very clearly can't or at least won't there's there's got to be a reason why and I don't think it's just because
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of the dark heart but yeah I think that makes sense but I think Sunwell is the most likely candidate right i think that
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the Sunwell even if not right even if not using it as a thing for Oh god here
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we go uh even if not using it for uh making a new dark heart what was the
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Sunwell used for before who did we fight there i mean we fought um kill Jaden who
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was coming out of the the Sunwell because why cuz he made a giant portal there it's one of the few places you can
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make a portal like that which is why the only other option in my mind is the uh
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the tomb of Sargeras/temple of right so she can't get to the temple of Aloon easily or or doesn't want to but can get
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to the Sunwell easy because going to your point uh this happens to be a high elf body that that she's in a sun or
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blood elf body uh a high mage that has probably intimate knowledge of this even
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if she's not going for it to be void related activities it can still be used as a portal and if she can't get off
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this rock to go get what she wants or what she needs or what's been taken from her that's a real good way to do that
30:48
isn't it i mean it's one of the places in on Azeroth that would be really relatively well suited to that there are
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a few other places but we've already kind of covered why they're not necessarily useful it's not like she
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wants to go and fight Ashara no to see if she's got you know Ashara certainly has the the expertise to get a portal
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open and I could see Ashara being willing to deal with Zealot but you're
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not going to bully Ashara into doing anything like you and she's very wary of
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void and old gods because of her you know she spent however many years like forced to work for one but also at the
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same time betraying him constantly you also can't tell me that Zealot Zelth is
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not on the radar of of Azara no no absolutely i do not believe that for a second so like she has to know of her
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she has to know of her existence she has to know of her whereabouts at least somewhat and maybe not exactly but again
31:43
we've talked about this before azara is oddly absent and has been since we dealt
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with her really well since we freed her yeah since we freed her from Zalatath's
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uh you know imprisonment not Zotath sorry uh N'oth ever since we defeat we
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freed her from N'oth and she handed over the dagger um we don't know what she's
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up to she went and reclaimed you know she reclaimed rule of the Naga which was kind of like nobody had stepped up
32:11
because you know that nobody wants to try and do that like everyone's like a bunch of Naga sitting around going "Um so we just wait
32:17
for her right i'm not going to near that throne." No no no i could nope you know
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you guys are I like my insides being inside yes um none of her generals are
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going to try because they were all male uh none of the tide sisters or No no no there's nobody that dumb the only one
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that would have been is canonically killed right we killed her in SSC yeah yeah that's the only one lady Vos
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although Lady Vos is currently in the Shadowlands we've spoken to her we've dealt with her um she could
32:48
theoretically decide I'm going to violate everything that I'm currently involved in but I don't see her doing
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that i think she kind of likes her role in the Shadowlands better than she ever did her life on on Azeroth uh I don't
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see Vos coming back so yeah uh maybe that Yeah there's there's really nobody currently that that would want to even
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try yeah and I'm I'm trying to think of what other places would have potentially the power to Caverns of Time caverns of
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time she's you know that would mean facing off directly the Caverns of Time well the Caverns of Time would let her
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go back in time potentially yes which would let her go to a place where she could go to the original um you know the
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the original like eye the I want to say well of Azeroth but that's not what it's called well of Eternity well of Eternity
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thank you wow rain would not work but she could go to the original Well of Eternity and try to do something there that's certainly one possibility in
33:39
terms of fonts of power they don't get much more fonty and powerful than a gigantic lake full of Titan blood um she
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could try that she could There's lots of other places she could try to get to she could go back to Derin before she
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destroyed it and steal their power again i guess I don't think time paradox is going to really upset Salat too much so
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that's one possibility but she would definitely have to fight like the the combined power of the bronze and what
34:05
infinite dragons have joined them and I don't see that being something she'd want to do if she didn't have to like if
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there's an easier source she's not going to go through all that rigmarole you know what I mean
34:17
so I think that you there's various places on Azeroth um we we've already counted out the original temple of Aloon
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and I don't think she's going to want to go step to Aloon in her own her current temple in Bellameth uh she it just
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there's just not a lot of options in terms of places where she knows enough about to get in is free enough to I mean
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that why else would she have gone to the goblins in the first place it's not like the goblins are are the best artificers
34:44
on Azeroth who make like elementium plates for Deathwing or nothing oh wait
34:49
they did oh yeah yeah yeah so I'm saying that there's I feel like the Sunwell is near the top of the list the only reason
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I'm not saying it's at the top of the list is we don't know what the Arai Empire has
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that's the other thing that I was going to get into as well like it's it's the large unknown it relates to a later
35:07
question that we have here um from Scribbly uh you want to just ask that question now because it's it's a little
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it's a little bit different but it's we know that they have a game that they play Lights Gambit which is their version of essentially chess right um we
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don't know what the Iraqi Empire really is yet finan hasn't really told us and
35:28
neither has anybody else there we know that it exists but we don't know the inner workings of it we also and why
35:35
would they bring that up cuz they're not even there and they have current things to deal with of course they're not going
35:40
to stop and go "But here's the exposition about where we're from." But then we it leads us to other questions
35:45
too like they talk about this great the emperor and and being able to wield the light and call upon it in a way that is
35:53
uh more than everybody else there's a closeness with the light there we don't know what artifacts we have or they have
35:59
we don't know if they have their own version of a light well uh that you know is essentially like the sun well but
36:05
just made out of pure light cascading down from that plane of existence i've made the the the point before that
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Azeroth is a special place because it seems like it's where all the forces of the universe touch equally we've found
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portals everywhere except like the realm of of light really we've gone to the
36:28
realm of nature we've gone to the various elemental realms we've gone to the Shadowlands we've uh gone to the
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Emerald Dream we've gone to the plane of order that's what Zerith Mortise really is right it it essentially is that plane
36:43
of order as far as I'm concerned and it it literally its function was ordering the cosmos and setting things in motion
36:50
uh the only place we haven't really found is like where do you go to get to
36:55
touch the plane of light maybe the Arathi have settled there maybe there's a powerful relic or something that
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operates as a gateway between that realm and Azeroth that allows the light to bathe us that allows uh the Naru to
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essentially easily uh come to to Azeroth cuz it seems like ton of them have been here a lot of them and it's not just
37:14
because they crash landed in a ship although that's some of them but it makes me wonder if there's something there that we don't know about and if we
37:21
don't know about it does Zelith know it and can Zelth even go there is it is it
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a place so anathema to her that she cannot physically go there because we
37:31
talk about or at least you talked about in the past with the light and void being so diametrically opposed uh not
37:37
necessarily that they would destroy each other but there is definitely a correlation there between light and
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shadow wiping each other out in equal measure some in some places it's it's it's said that it creates fell that's
37:49
one of the reasons that the fel actually would grab people's souls and use them in soul engines because the complete
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destruction of a soul in that way the would create actual fel energy um that
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that's that's been in the law for a while but it's not never been like we don't know to how much that we should
38:05
take that into account it's in Chronicle that the actual in Chronicle it's stated that the void is actually created by the
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light the light existed and then there were eddies within the light and those eddies became the the the home of the
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void you know and that's we've seen that since then that chronicle can't necessarily be taken as it's not
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objective it's from a point of view and that's the the chronicles of the Shadowlands that's one of the things
38:28
they talked about um how you know these the you can look at it from a different perspective but it's also interesting
38:35
you were talking about this though because I was actually like looking this up uh here's an example of something we know but we don't really know much about
38:41
it emperor Thoran the 9inth is the current ruler of the empire but what is
38:47
he like you know we've met the ghost of the original Thoran does does that ghost
38:52
go over there and talk to his descendant um we know that their culture is born from the Arathi and Aqualos they they're
39:01
they're from both they they actually they're a lot of them like fair and herself appear to be half elves even
39:08
though they wouldn't technically they wouldn't be half elves anymore like like there's a bunch of elves and and in
39:15
their ancestry but but it's not like it's an elf and a human having kids it's the Arathy having kids and all those
39:22
kids are like their parents at this right like does that make sense no it totally does we So like you know you
39:29
mentioned do they have their own form of the Sun well maybe they do i mean there certainly it's they know you know Qualas
39:36
understood how to do it um there's just there is a lot you You've got me
39:42
thinking about what if there's just a giant Naru you mean besides the Empire
39:47
yeah besides Belladar which I actually think might be something uh more more akin to um Tempest Keep mhm cuz we've
39:54
been inside the thing at this point haven't we nope no we were in that chamber that was built like below it
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okay yeah but I mean that that thing reminds me an awful lot of like the Exodar or the giant Ashagun crystal it
40:07
really reminds me of the Ashagun crystal you know that gigantic thing in the middle of of uh Drraanor what's the part
40:14
of Drraanor where that thing is found i always forget which one it is oh no it's the big green area that like you you go
40:21
there and you're like "Wow I can I guess this place isn't so dead." Oh wait no it's still terrible um Ashagun I'm going
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to blank on it now but go ahead yeah we we know what I'm talking about uh so
40:32
yeah I mean that's one of the things that you know the only thing Belelladar hasn't done yet is had a bunch of
40:38
spirits walking up to it and going "Oh I guess we're drawn here." Uh that's the only thing it hasn't done that reminds
40:44
me of Ashagun so is it Anaru i don't know but for that matter imagine if
40:50
Anaru is the one sending visions to the emperor because they did that to uh to
40:55
Velon you know when he found that crystal that weird crystal artifact that
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he found that let him talk to the Naru i'm just going to mention that too is
41:06
there a reason that someone else is having visions of giant crystal things you know what I'm saying here it
41:13
just We don't know there's too many we don't knows but it is at least feasible
41:18
to think about that uh I keep coming back to my idea that ane might have been
41:25
Belladar like I really don't think there's any reason to abandon that one like I haven't seen anything that's made
41:31
me say "Oh you know what oh yeah that's not true." Like there's nothing about Belelladar that that is easy to
41:36
understand not yet at least yeah and so and then she was trying to take power out of Belladar she was or at
41:44
least she was activating the cycle she was doing something to Bellar i mean she she was right there she had the heart
41:49
she was doing something with the heart which in to me says she was drawing power out of it yeah either she was
41:54
drawing power out of it or she was trying to turn it into a larger version of the heart or something like that again we don't know exactly what she was
42:02
doing yet i suspect the Exodar go ahead the you talking about other places she
42:08
might go she wants to get off the planet and she wants to get power the Exodar it
42:14
can leave now it has been repaired yeah the Exodar can leave now the only
42:19
problem is do you want to go toe-to-toe with Velon on his home turf well and the
42:25
interesting thing about that though too and this is going to raise that question we don't know that she can use Anaru that's true we don't right we don't know
42:32
that she could tip the balance uh without the dark heart we don't know that she can face Villain on his home
42:39
turf because I mean my guess is that she probably can't uh Villain is certainly without the dark heart as you've pointed
42:45
out she doesn't currently have it and the idea of her going toe-to-toe with Villain on the
42:50
Exodar without it I don't see it yeah I don't see it either and I mean for all the pe people make fun of Ellen Villain
42:57
is not weak and like he is probably one of the most powerful wielders of the
43:03
light physically alive uh like I would stick my claim on that and I think maybe
43:09
and has maybe the high the potential to be a a more powerful wielder but not in
43:14
his current state not yet he ain't there yet nope and I'm pretty sure if Villain decided that he wanted to call down upon
43:20
a wrath of light upon Zealot probably could and that would probably hurt quite
43:26
a little bit i mean Villain went Villain went up when we went there villain went with us right up to kill Jaden's ship
43:33
yeah he straight up walked onto that ship going you know no we're stopping
43:39
you now well because think about it right kill Kill Jaden was you know his peer
43:44
he just decided to take the fell deal instead of the light deal and the thing is is that we would not have been able
43:50
to kill Kill Jaden without him without Vlain it just wouldn't have been possible um because Villain wasn't
43:56
hitting him with light blasts constantly doesn't mean he wasn't doing something important he was keeping most of Kill
44:03
Jaden's power off of us so that we could actually get it done that is not weak
44:08
that's Kill Jaden had literally the entire might of the Legion at his disposal mhm mhm mhm and still we beat
44:16
him and we beat him because basically said no to nine out of every 10 things
44:22
Kill Jaden tried to do i mean that's that's pretty significant because unlike Kill Jaden Villain didn't turn himself
44:29
into a 300 foot tall void mon i mean fell monster um he and yet he could
44:34
still go toe-to-toe with him that's pretty impressive we saw him do a ton of stuff after that when we finally got
44:41
back to Argus villain's heavily involved in a lot of it i just I I really feel
44:47
like the the main thing keeping Villain from being a much more dominant force on Azeroth is the fact that he has visions
44:54
and they paralyze him because he doesn't know exactly what they mean and he's
44:59
talked about this he has visions and he isn't sure which what they what's going
45:04
on which is because that's the problem with the light isn't it the light wants one true path mhm if the visions aren't
45:11
clear then the the light is like wait we got to clarify this this has to we got
45:16
to figure out which way is the right way to go so I think that's the only reason we don't have the cup constantly up on
45:22
our grill and I think it's interesting that on the world where Villain died and he passed his power on the person he
45:29
passed this power on to kind of starts going crazy fanatic and she starts going crazy fanatic
45:36
because she doesn't have villains experience with it yeah and he's literally got 20,000 years of experience
45:41
with this she didn't have it yeah and think about that for a second too like if that doesn't speak to how powerful he is as well because again all those
45:49
visions flooding into him i know we're kind of going off on wild places here folks but bear with us uh like he's able
45:56
to deal with it and even he is paralyzed by it and the fact that yeah like you just pointed out her psychosis and Urel
46:03
gets it urel gets it and suddenly goes from one of the nicest people you will ever meet to a genocidal maniac yeah to
46:10
genocidal maniac and keep in mind that that could be an alternate future for her from her perspective there could be
46:16
a Urell out there who's great we still like you know we still like Urel but it is telling that Urell got the power and
46:24
within a generation she's like just burn it all burn it all down um I want to say
46:29
Exhal but it's not Exhal cuz that's that's Starfire's goddess in in Teen Titans but the the the the mother uh
46:37
Naru Zara Zara thank you zera kind of like shows the the danger of mainlining
46:43
the light you know you you you see that Zara is not not right i I don't want to
46:49
say not all there but not right is probably close zara is un incapable of knowing doubt she can't doubt didn't
46:56
have the capacity to do so once she saw a path she could not say "Hey wait a
47:02
minute maybe this isn't the wonder path maybe I need to stop and think." Villain can doubt villain is a mortal being who
47:09
can make decisions for himself and as a result his doubt will keep him from
47:14
taking action a lot of the time cuz he doesn't want to take the wrong action and I think that that's interesting
47:20
because in a way Zalatas has become a being that can doubt and that's why I think the Sunwell is the most likely
47:27
cause you know direction to go you know because she knows enough about it to
47:32
convince herself that she can do it and she's without the the dark heart currently in her possession she needs
47:40
something like it I think so I think you're dead or on about that so that's why I think that it's either the Sunwell
47:47
or one of the pillars of creation and we don't know enough about the Pillars of Creation to know even what they're currently even doing yeah and and to be
47:54
and the other thing to point out there as well is that we are not saying that Zealot is weak right uh we got it all
48:01
we've seen what she can do man come on yeah uh it's just that Zealot doesn't
48:06
fight battles she can't win every battle every encounter every everything that we
48:14
deal with or interact with her is cultivated to be her being the victor the two times two that we got the better
48:22
of her right one uh when the dark heart got damaged that was not expected and
48:30
she thought she had won and that was sort of just kind of off into the the the sunset she rode to go then have to
48:37
deal with Giwix to try to get her dark heart repaired and two she doesn't have the dark heart anymore because somebody
48:43
else got the jump on her so to Matt's point her being in a place where she can feel doubt means that she's going to try
48:51
or at least we suspect she's going to try to take the safer options the options that she is confident that she
48:58
can successfully pull off and and in fact you make a really good point here go ahead uh in that when you look at how
49:06
she engaged in her hair campaign to date it has been a get other people to do
49:13
what I want them to do b use cat's paws to draw the attention away from my real
49:20
goal and c strike at an absolute moment of weakness or uncertainty amongst the
49:27
people I'm trying to strike uh when you see what happened to Darin she did not go up to the Council of Six and go
49:34
toe-to-toe with them because she knows that would be stupid yeah and when she fought Khadgar it was she had to get the
49:41
jump on him yeah one-on-one i'm not saying that she would get wiped by Khadgar one-on-one i'm saying that why
49:48
risk it you know what I mean like even as Shara who is powerful enough to blow up the entire council of six by herself
49:56
generally didn't ever try to do things like that people with empower understand risk in a way a lot of us don't have
50:03
anything to risk in in the comparison to them it's like it's like if a T-Rex met another T-Rex they could fight and they
50:11
did fight we have evidence of that on the bones but they didn't fight very often because oh yeah I'm a huge
50:17
powerful killing machine but so is that and if I get hurt if I'm weakened now I
50:24
mean now I'm vulnerable that's a terrible thing to be i don't want to be vulnerable you think Zalith wants to be
50:29
vulnerable she just got out of a freaking knife that she was stuck in for like you know 30 50,000 years or so she
50:36
doesn't want to go back she's she is not gonna gonna choose something that
50:41
doesn't suit her goal and and think about this too like she can't go and ask for help from anybody right n'oth who's
50:47
there to ask she she doesn't like the other old gods n'oth is whatever we did
50:52
to N'oth um and then her only other current known ally is Ariticron and
50:58
that's not somebody you go and ask for help like you don't go "Hey I lost this thing you got me uh that you helped me
51:05
get that that was furthering our plans." Uh so no because you just die at that point and I again she's powerful but the
51:12
whole thing with Ariticron is that he is insanely powerful we don't know the depths of his power and if I remember
51:18
correctly during Dragonflight we we find out that the only reason he was ever captured in the first place was he got
51:25
tricked right yeah I absolutely agree yeah ridicron i don't think Ariticrron is
51:31
necessarily quote unquote more powerful than Zealot but I do think that his power is the kind that you do not want
51:38
to go toe-to-toe with if you can avoid it yeah it's pure elemental pure elemental power right yeah and he's a
51:44
gigantic freaking proto dragon on top of it well like like you said like Oh go
51:49
ahead when we went back to uh the Black Empire when we went back and and did that whole thing and Aoth saw us
51:55
remember how I pointed out who was the one elemental lord we didn't see therazane yeah we did not see Therazane
52:00
you're right because Therane couldn't be bothered because the old gods live in her sort of realm and looking at it
52:07
she's the only one that at least dealing with it never really got fully subjugated so if a Riticron has her as a
52:14
patron I'm willing to back that he can't be uh that that Zelda even if she is
52:20
more powerful probably couldn't go like you're like you're right it's a power that she can't mess with and if Yeah
52:26
like this is a guy who who was able to command Shadow Flame he's able to bestow it upon another dragon you know he's
52:34
very dangerous um in a in a lot of ways he's like if you took Ntharian and added
52:41
Malagos's insanity mhm mhm mhm you take everything Narian had going on in terms
52:46
of um his you know weird magical studies and and use of the earth powers and you
52:52
add Malagos's insanity to the point where the old gods don't seem to be his patrons he does not seem to be
52:59
particularly interested in them or serve doesn't seem to serve them he he worked
53:04
with her because he hates the Titans not because he likes the old gods and that I
53:10
think is something you really need to keep in mind with Ariticron um I do think Articon will be back oh no he 100%
53:15
will absolutely yeah he's got a role to play in all this i mean if if anything we're we're probably going to get him my
53:21
my guess would be somewhere in the middle of midnight yeah it's definitely feels like he could be a mid a mid- raid
53:26
boss a mid expansion boss not even just not even just a mid- expansion boss like just showing up and setting up the the
53:33
final Titan or the last Titan like setting up the final part of the uh World Soul Saga because there's zero
53:40
chance we are not dealing with him in the in the crescendo oh yeah it definitely feels like he will be back absolutely um but I mean too that's the
53:47
thing about I will point out um um oneup you did ask us for wild speculation so I
53:52
don't feel too bad that you got that um I will say this though i feel like
53:58
Eriticron Eriticrron is going to be something where he might walk out of
54:03
this entire thing like he might get get past the Final Titan the Last Titan that
54:09
might be not even be his end because this is this is a lore thing not necessarily in-game lore but a studying
54:16
lore thing they need him story-wise well it also makes sense too like just even story-wise right like
54:22
even beyond just like knowing the lore and the trajectory if we're going to be fighting the Titans at some point which
54:28
has been speculated that we're going to be essentially beating them up because
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they're you know selfish idiots that if we're on the technically at that point we're on the same side as a Riticron he
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wants to kill the Titans so we're going to deal with him at some point and I could totally see it being one of those
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things where we're fighting the Titans and we have to align with him even for a moment to have a fighting chance against
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Titans that have been ripped out of their prison put into their own pocket dimension they're free to go where they
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want to go sargeras is not uh yet at least uh but they're free to go come and
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go as they see fit right you want to talk about fighting the Titans though dude if the Titans are going to go to
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war and Yeah yeah you're going to say the same thing they could go for it yeah if the Titans are going to go to war who
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do you want leading your charge your best warrior your best warrior now I I
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love you i mean I I love Agramar i think he's great but let's be real of the two
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Agramar was always the shield man he was always the the guy on your side keeping
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you covered it's Sargeras who is their best fighter yep always always Sargeras
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sardash didn't go down to any enemy he didn't lose a fight ever that's not what
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happened he got tricked into into thinking he should do something and also it's debatable whether he even got
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tricked also I should point out that he spent a lot of time brainwashing like when we saw we saw Agramar and he he was
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able to brainwash Agamar you think that the other Titans can't do that we just talked about uh domination magic last
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time we talked about the fact that that seems to be order magic titans are pure order you tell me that Amenthul can't go
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cool your brain's mine now son let's go like yeah and for that matter imagine if
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Amanthul does that but doesn't realize he's opened the door for it to go both ways so now you have everyone every one
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of the Titans except ANR is getting worse and worse anr is calling her girlfriend going "Um Aloon everybody
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seems to want to conquer everything all of a sudden uh I kind of need another place to hide out." Like there's a lot
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of ways it could go but I'm telling you Sargeras at the head of the Legion you want I mean at the head of the Titan
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army you want Ariticron you need a Riticron you need You need a Riticron in
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whatever his powered up state is to keep Sargeras busy yep just just to occupy him cuz you know you can't beat the
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Titans conventionally the goal is to convince them that they're screwing up yeah and think about it well and think
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about it too like again Wild we only have a couple minutes left but going off that same thing so Ariticron would have
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to come back at least in my opinion to like I agree with you to keep Sargeras occupied and if we're going to be
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fighting the Titans we have a whole slew of freshly empowered entities that get
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their power from Azeroth who is arguably the most powerful of the Titans who probably isn't going to want to be
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destroyed just going to throw that out there and so we have I can never remember her name but the the Frost one
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that was empowered Vinoff vernonoff i I love Vernon as far as remembered one
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yeah we have Veronov you have all the other aspects of the dragon flights that have been re-empowered with the power of
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Azeroth now not the other titans the power of Azeroth and Ariticron arguably
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arguably because this is before like you know there's some bleed over there may have that tenuous link with Azeroth as
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well because again Ian didn't want to destroy Azeroth eriticon wanted to get
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rid of the influence of the Titans and he doesn't think of Azeroth as a Titan because it is the world he lives on um
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and for that matter it's it's we could be looking at the Titan equivalent of puberty here
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when the kids like I don't need you you don't get to tell me what to do anymore you don't understand me Dad i'm going to
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listen to my music in my room yeah yep and I just I keep coming back to this
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idea that the the way to win against the Titans isn't to defeat them it's to convince them to go hands off like and I
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think that you mentioned Agramar being brainwashed i think ultimately it is Agramar who will be the one to be able
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to convince the other Titans not only that their judgment isn't currently the best like look at us look at what we're
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doing but also look we did what we set out to do yeah we we we meant to we
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wanted wanted to make this place so that it wouldn't fall to the void and it
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didn't fall to the void yeah and I feel like Anar's involved in that conversation too because that was always
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her deal right like like Amul didn't like it because he didn't like the wild uncontrollable nature of things but yet
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that's what allows us to do everything we do then you have the consulars who will be chiming in at that point as well
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showing yeah no they're better than you in every capacity they've defeated the odds they have they have literally done
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what you calculated was impossible multiple times so Anarr's right Agamar's
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right you need to STF you yeah it is time for us to back off it is time for
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us to let Azeroth determine its own destiny because you know it is the final
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Titan and then combining combining that with the the the Pantheon of Death where like we we literally are in Zerith
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Mortise and I still am convinced absolutely still am convinced that Azeroth is what the first ones intended
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that literally they we come back with the information not only that but you guys know about the First Ones this is
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the success of that back off goal accomplished go away yeah we did what we had to do to prevent
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it from falling into into the hands of one force but we we're dangerously close
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to trying to push it into another one and we can't do that because then it's not it's not what it is that is not
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going to work i think that's the only way to really deal with the Titans i don't think you can kill them because at
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this point we've seen what happens when they get killed they just come back they just throw their souls somewhere else um
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and I think that to a degree doing so would be incredibly dangerous having a bunch of Titans die on Azeroth
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who knows how much like if the Titans show up to fight on Azeroth in their original bodies or something
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approximating them you're effed it does make me one one last question that we're not going to answer today but I want to
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leave with this one question for everybody to think about until we get back next week where does Odin fit in on all this hopefully under my boot
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