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Diablo 4 lore junkies are in for a treat this week as Matt and Joe run down a spoiler-filled recap and analysis of the story of the latest expansion, Lord of Hatred.
Did I mention that it's spoiler filled? Because it's truly spoiler filled.
From the shocking death in the opening cinematic Blizzard posted to the official YouTube channel, to the shocking death toward the end of the expansion, we discuss the implications of the events of Diablo 4: Lord of Hatred. We also run through some of the details, like the role of the prophecy from the start of the base game. Also, Zoltan Kulle? Sure, why not. Let's see what Zoltan Kulle has to say about it.
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Greetings, friend.
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Have you come seeking knowledge of
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[music] a world that is shrouded in
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darkness and untold horrors?
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A world where evil lurks around every
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corner and only the bravest and most
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skilled warriors [music] can hope to
0:27
survive.
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Or perhaps you seek the refuge of the
0:31
fireside and it be [music] surrounded by
0:34
humanity tonight.
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Perhaps a story to pass the time.
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I am Loader Iben Lee, a keeper of the
0:43
old tales.
0:45
That one with the large array of weapons
0:47
and deep knowing gaze is known as
0:49
[music] Kyrie.
0:51
They are a stalwart and powerful
0:53
companion and will not harm you. That
0:57
other one. Ah, yes. [music] Fyance.
1:02
She is a necromancer of great power and
1:05
seeks to aid humanity in our darkest
1:07
hour.
1:10
We are the Lore Watch. Hello and welcome
1:13
to Lore Watch round table free form
1:15
discussion about lore in your favorite
1:16
media. I'm your host, Joe Pres, one of
1:19
several lore focused folks from Blizzard
1:21
Watch, and I've got my companion through
1:24
the hells that are sanctuary at this
1:26
point, Matt Rossy. How you doing, Matt?
1:29
It's, as I said once in a queue, it's
1:32
the least accurate name for a place
1:35
ever. Sanctuary makes Draanor the place
1:39
named after the Dranai who weren't from
1:41
there.
1:43
It's like, yeah, Sanctuary is the least
1:46
accurate name of any place I've been in
1:49
any game I've play.
1:50
>> Well, that should give you kind of an
1:52
idea of what we're going to be talking
1:53
about today, friends. Uh, we are going
1:55
to be talking about the story of the
1:57
current expansion for Diablo II. It's
2:00
been enough time that we think that
2:02
spoilers, while still there for some
2:05
people, uh, have sufficiently passed for
2:07
enough people that we can do this
2:08
episode. So, if you haven't finished the
2:10
story of uh the most recent Diablo I
2:13
expansion, maybe come back when you do.
2:15
Uh and if you have and you want to hear
2:17
our thoughts on it, well, buckle up. And
2:20
if you do have questions for this or any
2:22
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2:24
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2:46
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2:52
look there first. I'm actually going to
2:54
turn this over to Matt and he's going to
2:55
take point on it because Matt has been
2:57
vibrating with a palpable excitement and
3:00
need to talk about this expansion uh
3:03
since he finished the main story line.
3:06
And uh so this is my gift to you,
3:08
friend. Run free. Run free.
3:10
>> Thank you. Yes. It's a giant swimming
3:12
pool. Swim deep. Swim forever. Um I I
3:16
there's so much to talk about that I
3:19
don't want to just start babbling on
3:21
about all the cool things. So I'm going
3:23
to say straight up. Um I'm going to do a
3:26
pro and con thing here. I I'm going to
3:27
give you guys one con for the expansion
3:30
and then one pro. Uh, and I'm doing it
3:32
con and pro because I want to end off on
3:34
a positive note. Uh, the con I have is
3:37
that there are specific characters. Um,
3:41
really only one specific character, but
3:43
there's others that I feel to to a
3:44
lesser degree. Um, Nell
3:48
got done dirty. Just straight up. I do
3:51
not like what this expansion does with
3:53
Nel. And since we've already given you
3:56
the spoiler warning, I'm just going to
3:57
straight up tell you Nel doesn't just
3:59
die. Nel dies in the opening cinematic.
4:03
>> Yeah, technically offcreen because you
4:05
don't get to do it in game. It's a
4:06
cinematic. But yeah, it was it was
4:08
rough.
4:09
>> If you start the game and you skip the
4:11
cinematic cuz you're just too eager.
4:13
There will be a couple of minutes of you
4:15
going, "What happened to Nel, you know,
4:17
Laurth? Laurath, what happened to Ael?"
4:21
And he's just like, "You should just
4:22
follow me. It's like Laury Anytime I ask
4:26
you what happened to someone and you say
4:29
you should just follow me. I know the
4:31
answer isn't good, you know. So that
4:35
bothered me a little. The pro we get a
4:37
ton of Laurath in this
4:40
>> and a ton of good Lorath.
4:42
>> Yeah, good Lorath. You get to see
4:44
Laurath um as as himself like the way
4:47
you remember him. You get to see more
4:49
vulnerable sides to him. you get to see
4:51
him being aware that you know he's not
4:55
you know this he's trying to put it all
4:56
on his shoulders and he can't carry the
4:58
load
5:00
like there's specific moments uh where
5:02
you see Laurath you know come
5:04
realization like you know you're you're
5:06
in charge this is your deal it should
5:08
always I should always be deferring to
5:10
you because you're the one who has to go
5:12
up there and be the the fist uh so
5:16
that's good that's good interaction he
5:18
still doesn't back away from being a
5:20
lawyer cuz he's still like, "I'll be,
5:22
you know, I'll be damned if I let you go
5:25
in there without any kind of plan." So,
5:28
he comes up with one really fast when
5:30
you're doing a specific story element. I
5:33
really do love the the interaction your
5:36
character has with Laur. By the end of
5:38
this expansion, I cared about as much
5:41
for Lorath as I've ever cared for any
5:44
character in any Diablo game and then
5:48
some. Like, yeah. [snorts] No, that I
5:51
really did enjoy the Lorath bit. I'm
5:53
gonna ask you if you can do the same,
5:55
Joe. If you got a con and a pro, you can
5:56
throw it.
5:57
>> Uh, honestly, one of the things I think
5:59
that is a a big pro of this expansion
6:03
storytelling is pacing. Um,
6:06
>> oh yeah, absolutely. I have to totally
6:07
agree with you on that.
6:08
>> Yeah. So, one of the problems that I had
6:10
with uh Vessel of Hatred in particular
6:12
is that I felt that the pacing was was
6:15
off quite a bit.
6:17
um it didn't feel like a a complete
6:21
story. It didn't feel like a
6:22
self-contained story. I don't have that
6:25
problem here. So, Lord of Hat breaks the
6:29
story down into a a bunch of different
6:32
components that give it a very specific
6:36
cadence and tempo that the pacing
6:38
matches. It starts with the pursuit of
6:41
Meisto. Uh it goes in which is act one.
6:44
Act two is uh the return of Lilith uh
6:48
which we'll talk about the specifics of
6:49
that because it's not quite that but
6:52
it's close enough. Uh which is the act
6:54
two and then serves as like the
6:57
exposition dump that then leads you into
6:59
act three the climax of and of
7:02
confronting Meisto and the aftermath
7:04
therein. And when you get to the end of
7:07
it, it feels complete. Um, if I have to
7:11
put a negative out there, I don't think
7:13
it's just Nell that got the short end of
7:16
the stick.
7:17
>> No, no, that's just one that I was
7:18
focusing on. the the one that I think
7:20
bothered me the most is as much as we've
7:22
got a ton of good Lorath Lorath's his
7:27
payoff and and the way that the tree of
7:29
whispers was tormenting him irritated me
7:33
because one of the things with the tree
7:35
of whispers that we were told uh in you
7:38
know when we were first introduced to it
7:40
is it will collect its due when the
7:44
person passes. Um, and here we have it
7:49
essentially messing with him constantly
7:52
throughout this expansion. And it was
7:55
just like it was such a weird turn for
7:57
the tree that I was just like, "This
7:59
doesn't quite make sense." Um, and so
8:03
that's probably my my biggest complaint,
8:05
my biggest con of so far, at least what
8:08
I've experienced.
8:09
>> Let's let's do a run through here. Let's
8:11
let's actually run down the story bes. I
8:13
mean, we're not going to try and sit
8:14
here and and and map out the whole thing
8:16
for you guys because it would take
8:17
forever, but we're going to try and give
8:19
you like a sense of the way it paced
8:21
itself and a sense of what exactly
8:23
happens. The uh expansion starts out in
8:27
uh Kel is it's Kellbardu, right?
8:29
>> Kellbad.
8:30
>> Kebu.
8:31
>> Kebu.
8:32
>> Uh and you you basically get and there's
8:34
a whole bunch of people uh nattering on
8:36
about Acarat. You know, there is a great
8:39
moment where a Acarat I I don't want to
8:42
call them cultists because most of them
8:43
are just dupes, but an Acarat follower
8:46
goes up to Laurath and goes, "Have you
8:48
accepted Hackarath into your heart,
8:49
Acarat, into your heart yet?" And Laura
8:51
is like, but you know, he actually
8:54
straight up tells him to go shove it up
8:56
his, you know, his rear end uh with
8:59
more. I'm trying to be PG here. Uh so he
9:01
just basically says it in in the Laurath
9:03
voice, which is great. There's a a kind
9:06
of heartbreaking moment where you go
9:07
into where Nell has been hiding. Uh
9:10
she's found like an ancient Vizarai
9:11
library and she was trying to piece
9:14
together what she could about what
9:16
Meisto's actual plan was. And it's a
9:19
pretty creepy plan. Um but at this point
9:22
you don't know very many specifics. You
9:24
just know that he's heading to Sco
9:26
>> and that's where Laura is like Sco. Why
9:29
would he go there? The people there know
9:31
full well about Lilith and Anarius.
9:34
They're not that he's going to like have
9:36
a hard road to hoe, but you know, we got
9:38
to go after him. So, you go to um that
9:41
free it's like a free port on the other
9:43
side. I can never remember the name of
9:44
the place, but you head to the the to a
9:47
to this port town and you get harassed
9:50
by the Acarat followers, but they don't
9:52
say anything too horrible. They're just
9:54
giving you grief. And you get on the
9:56
boat and for a little while the boat
9:58
trip is very nice. It's like, you know,
9:59
you and Laurath talking. uh he hands you
10:03
uh one of the things that becomes a a a
10:05
game mechanic the uh the uh Harajim's
10:10
like you know I don't know what you call
10:11
them signate charm whatever
10:13
>> seal
10:13
>> uh seal and it's got you know the room
10:15
for six things that gives you set
10:17
bonuses you don't care about that story
10:18
wise but he's talking about how he made
10:20
it for Nel but then he didn't want to
10:21
give it to to Nel immediately because he
10:24
didn't want to make the mistake he made
10:26
with Elias which was like you know he
10:29
was felt like he suffocated Elias that
10:31
he didn't listen enough and didn't pay
10:34
attention to what Elias was saying and
10:36
tried to guide him too much. So this
10:38
time he was taken hands off with Nel. Um
10:41
and then obviously that didn't work
10:43
either. Um so it's a nice moment of
10:46
vulnerability where you get the sense
10:48
that Laurath is like okay I tried like
10:51
you know over over mentoring and I tried
10:53
undermentoring. I I got to find this the
10:56
mentoring sweet spot. And clearly at
10:59
this point you and Laur have kind of a I
11:02
don't want to say like rigs and myrr
11:04
relationship but I don't know what else
11:06
to call it. Like you've got the grizzled
11:09
older guy who's like you know he's he's
11:11
too old for this and then you've got you
11:13
who is basically doing all the heavy
11:15
lifting at this point. Like you your
11:18
character is carrying this and and
11:21
everyone knows it at this point. He
11:22
knows it. Everyone you meet knows it. Um
11:25
and it's just accepted. You know, that's
11:27
that's the dynamic. There's It turns out
11:30
that the Hens of Acarat, who are like
11:32
they straight up are evil cultists.
11:35
They're not just highly placed members
11:38
of the new Acarat religion, they're
11:41
straight up Methto worshippers and they
11:43
know
11:44
>> Yeah. They know it's Meto.
11:46
>> Yeah. And they even say it to you when
11:47
you're up there, you're like, you know,
11:49
they say it to you and you're like, you
11:50
know, it's Mephisto. And he goes, "Oh,
11:52
yeah." Uh he talks about you all the
11:54
time. He he thinks very highly of you
11:56
and hates you. Uh and then the guy kills
11:59
himself. There's a lot something we've
12:01
talked about before on this show and
12:03
something that Liz brought up I think
12:05
way way back uh in the original Diablo 4
12:10
discussion we did. Liz brought up the
12:12
blood imagery and Elias
12:16
used blood sacrifice to bring Lilith to
12:18
Sanctuary. Uh there's blood sacrifice
12:21
all over. Like there's the weird
12:23
vampirism thing and the fraction.
12:24
>> The blood is the key.
12:26
>> Yeah. Meto is doing the exact same thing
12:30
with people like the people he's got.
12:33
They know he's got them to kill
12:36
themselves so he can use their blood.
12:38
Like that straight up happens right in
12:40
the opening fight here. You're on the
12:42
boat. You're confronting the guy. He
12:44
cuts his own throat after Meto possesses
12:47
him and he's willing for all this. He
12:49
he's he's down. He joined up. Uh and his
12:53
blood goes out into the water. A
12:54
gigantic Lovecraftian and fish monster
12:56
attacks you. That's you know you're
12:58
going to kill it. That's that's what
13:00
happens. But the disconcerting part is
13:03
that the hands of Acarat all know that
13:05
he's Meisto. There's there's no like
13:08
there's plenty of dupes, but not in the
13:10
leadership. The people in charge of this
13:13
know what's up. And you go from the boat
13:16
to you actually reach uh Teis uh in the
13:19
Scoa Isles where um the the queen uh
13:22
Adriana and you know her whole
13:25
government that's where they they are.
13:27
As you get there he's Laur and you split
13:30
up because Laur wants to go to find
13:32
Adriana and he wants you to follow
13:34
around one of the hands the hand of
13:36
Aarat just because we now know that
13:38
they're they're up to something specific
13:41
like they're they have a purpose here.
13:43
So, you're following them and there's a
13:45
there's a moment where you get to hear
13:47
Adriana basically talking to uh oh,
13:50
bloody heck, I should remember her name.
13:51
She's like your best friend by the end
13:52
of the game. Uh Adriana's talking to her
13:54
her her second in command, her right
13:56
hand. Um I'm going to kill myself. I
13:59
just cannot believe I cannot remember
14:00
this. But um the two of them were
14:03
talking and and her friend basically
14:05
says, "Uh, are you sure about this? This
14:07
Aarat guy, I mean, what's he going to do
14:09
for us? It seems kind of crazy to be
14:11
talking to him." And Adriana's like,
14:13
"You've heard about all the chaos going
14:14
on. You've seen what's happening here.
14:17
Maybe he is he can help us." And you're
14:20
like, "Okay, uh, this is bad. Adriana
14:23
already half believes uh, Meto's lies.
14:26
We we need to like I got to find
14:29
Laurath." I don't, again, we don't want
14:31
to spoil all that stuff, but this is one
14:32
of those things that pretty much it's
14:33
it's in a video that that Blizzard
14:35
released before the game even came out,
14:37
so I'm not going to feel too bad about
14:39
spoiling this one. Um, you go to the big
14:43
amphitheater where you know, Adriana is
14:45
talking to all of her Amazon people, the
14:47
Escari, and
14:50
you find out that the the oracle, like
14:53
there's always been two rulers on Sco.
14:56
There's the queen of the Amazon, the
14:57
Ascari, and there's the queen of the
14:59
oracles, the the head oracle. And
15:02
usually they they do everything
15:04
together. like they don't you don't have
15:06
a big announcement to everybody and not
15:08
have the the oracle there, but the
15:10
oracle is not coming to this. She
15:12
straight up has said, "Nope, I can't
15:14
make it." And you get there just in time
15:17
to see um Adriana introducing Acarat to
15:20
the crowd and saying, you know, he's
15:21
like, "Oh, I'll help you." And Laurath
15:24
shows up and is confronting him. And it
15:26
looks like Laurath is doing a great job
15:27
of of, you know, getting rid of this
15:30
Meisto guy. He's gonna like maybe we're
15:32
gonna win the whole thing right now. And
15:33
then he slashes Aarat's throat and it
15:36
cuts to he just slashed Adriiona's
15:38
throat and Akarat was Meisto was messing
15:41
with his head the whole time. He prevail
15:44
saves Adriana with his, you know, being
15:47
Meisto. He's got plenty of evil magic
15:49
power. He saves her. Um I'm pretty sure
15:52
this is the moment where he starts
15:55
straight up getting in her head. Um so
15:57
that comes in later, but we get to this
16:00
point. Um, we now basically Laurath's
16:04
connection to Adriana is now basically
16:06
undone. Like, it's not going to do him
16:08
any good. He just cut her throat in
16:10
front of everybody. And the fact that
16:12
Meisto then as a further knife in the
16:15
gut begs her not to kill Laurath. So,
16:18
he's exiled instead. She's like, "Get
16:20
out of the city and never come back."
16:22
And you're forced to do a walk of shame
16:24
with him. Like, you you have to keep
16:26
them from like lynching him on the
16:27
streets. And as you're going out, uh,
16:30
They are throwing they are throwing food
16:32
and stuff at you as you go through this.
16:33
Like you're getting pelted by tomatoes.
16:35
>> Yeah. If you remember running a death
16:36
knight back in the old days, it's it's
16:37
that old. Um but you get to the exit to
16:41
the city and he's like Laur is like
16:43
surprisingly okay, which is like you you
16:46
even can ask him. That's actually one of
16:47
my favorite bits is you can ask him, you
16:49
know, do you want to talk about that?
16:50
And he goes, you I understand you're a
16:52
good friend, but there's no words that
16:54
are going to fix this. There's no
16:56
conversation we can have right now
16:58
that's gonna make a difference. We need
17:00
to just keep pushing through because we
17:02
don't have time. Um, and so you
17:04
basically from there, uh, I'm trying to
17:07
hit points without yammering on forever.
17:09
And if there's anything you want to jump
17:10
in on, Joe,
17:11
>> I will. [laughter]
17:12
>> Okay. you you go to the oracle. Uh after
17:15
an initial go to the you know the
17:17
biggest town around where the oracle is,
17:20
you go to the oracle and the oracle's
17:23
like, "Yeah, um I knew I knew it was
17:26
going to be meto." And you're like, "Why
17:28
didn't you warn anybody?" And and
17:29
basically you get the uh the more we try
17:32
to predict the less we can actually
17:34
guarantee sort of state like they one
17:37
point the oracle when they first meet
17:38
you says, "Oh, I've seen you dead a
17:39
thousand times." Um and lists all the
17:42
ways they've seen you dead. And you're
17:43
like, "Okay, that's that's a great
17:45
intro." Um, but she's like, "Yes, we we
17:48
do have a way to possibly defeat Meto."
17:51
Uh, and it's good that you've brought
17:52
the Sightless Eye. And you're like, "Oh,
17:54
so you're going to use it to Oh, you're
17:55
like, "Oh, no. I can't use it." Um, you
17:58
know, when Lilith bent it in in the
18:00
hells, it's just now it it's now linked
18:02
to you. Uh, you that's what that's what
18:04
she was doing with it. Remember, she you
18:06
got in your head. Um, that's that's
18:09
still there. I'm just gonna help you
18:11
reconnect to it and you're gonna go ask
18:13
Lilith for help. And you're like, "Say
18:15
what?" And Laurath is like, "Say what?"
18:19
And of all people, Laur
18:24
that that this time I don't know if this
18:25
is a good idea, but as as you point out
18:29
to Laurath and as the Oracle points out
18:31
to you, it is not like you have a lot of
18:33
options left at this point.
18:35
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's one of those things
18:36
where like it it it it's using also like
18:39
something that we tal like the eye the
18:42
eye the sightless eye was changed and
18:46
it's playing into that. It it can no
18:49
longer be used to see the future. It's
18:52
not what it used to be. And so it's
18:55
making use of that because the current
18:58
oracle uh and all of the oracles uh one
19:01
of the the the things that is true about
19:02
them is they age quicker. Uh in order to
19:05
use their power uh to predict the future
19:09
in order to use their their sight
19:11
without the sightless eye um they give
19:14
up portions of their own power, their
19:16
lifeblood uh in order to do this
19:20
>> that sacrifice thing again.
19:21
>> Yeah, it's that that idea of sacrifice.
19:23
powers the blood, you know, that that
19:25
whole thing. Uh, and it burns them out
19:28
quicker than you would normally expect.
19:31
And so, they don't have a whole lot of
19:33
like while they will remember things,
19:35
they don't know how to fix the sightless
19:36
eye. They can't fix it. It was a an
19:39
angelic gift built by powers that are
19:41
not them. Um, that comes up later after,
19:44
you know, the postgame stuff, but that's
19:46
a whole other thing. Um, it's one of
19:50
It's just an interesting thing because
19:51
they they're like, "We don't know how to
19:52
fix this. We can't use it like we used
19:55
to. Uh, however, we can do this
19:58
instead." And I can smell her on you.
20:01
So, it's it's just a really it's a good
20:06
moment. Uh, and it's a reminder.
20:09
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
20:10
>> It's a call back not just to Diablo I,
20:12
it's a call back to like the end the
20:14
beginning of Diablo II.
20:16
>> Yes. Because the sisterhood of the
20:18
sightless eye, which was the rogues in
20:20
in Diablo II were No. No. Yeah. No. The
20:22
rogues from Diablo, the Diablo I rogues
20:24
and the ones you meet in Diablo II,
20:27
those rogues were from Scoos. They
20:29
literally stole the sightless eye and
20:31
ran to Sco. And you never really find
20:34
out why. And you don't really find out
20:36
why here.
20:38
>> Mhm. But I honestly find myself
20:40
wondering if the whole reason they stole
20:42
it was because it had to be somewhere
20:45
where the wanderer could get it and be
20:48
linked to through it like because that
20:51
comes up. That's important. Um but yeah,
20:55
you we you take the sightless eye, you
20:57
have to go to a specific place, uh which
20:59
means you do some fighting because you
21:01
know, hey, why not? Uh you fight your
21:03
way through. You get to the spot where
21:04
you can use the sightless eye and you go
21:06
inside the sightless eye again and it's
21:09
you're essentially in yourself somehow.
21:11
It's like a mental it's like a mental
21:13
landscape of your thoughts and feelings
21:15
except there's obvious be some
21:17
remodeling and you're like this is very
21:20
much like those weird places we went to
21:23
when we were chasing Lilith underground.
21:25
And as you follow your way through, you
21:27
eventually get to Lilith, who is like
21:30
not really does not want to talk to you
21:32
and won't help you. She just straight up
21:34
is like, you know, I should kill you uh
21:35
for what you did. I told you what would
21:37
happen. I warned you about me. Go ahead.
21:40
I was going to say the interesting thing
21:41
about this too really is that and and
21:44
I've seen a lot of people comment about
21:45
this and it's one of the things that I
21:47
I've been thinking about a lot too is
21:49
this moment of is this actually Lilith
21:53
or is this an echo and the more you
21:57
interact with it and the more she talks
21:59
to you about it uh the more you
22:03
legitimately
22:05
like you are talking to Lilith the
22:07
actual and it it It builds upon the idea
22:11
of the way that the universe is
22:14
currently set up that she's the daughter
22:17
of a prime evil essentially. She is born
22:20
of his essence. She really can't be
22:23
killed
22:25
uh per se.
22:26
>> I mean, yeah, there's the the fact is so
22:28
we've been told in the past that even
22:30
regular demons
22:32
>> Mhm.
22:33
>> can't be killed. Just average demons.
22:35
Demons like like Asteroth. You couldn't.
22:37
They had to put Asteroth in a soul
22:39
stone. He was just a duke, you know? He
22:41
was a servant of Meisto. They had to put
22:44
him in a soul stone because if they
22:45
killed him, he'd just come back. Like,
22:47
keep keep that in mind. Lilith is not
22:50
just any demon, as we find out. That's
22:53
actually a thing about Lilith. We'll
22:54
we'll learn. Uh but yeah, even regular
22:57
old demons you can't get rid of. So this
23:00
is not a tremendous surprise that you're
23:03
you you and Lilith share a link and that
23:05
Lilith is essentially living inside you
23:07
at the moment. Um but ultimately you
23:11
convince her through mentioning that
23:13
Meesto has come to Sco specifically and
23:15
that's something Laur told you this used
23:18
to be her home. Bring it up. Tell
23:20
mention Sco don't you know don't let her
23:23
control the the conversation. And so
23:26
when you bring that up, you tell Lilith,
23:28
you know, he's come to Scoos, he wants
23:30
something here. She's like, she gets
23:32
like Ky, but she agrees to help you.
23:35
There's a really great interchange like,
23:36
you know, you think I'm just going to
23:37
listen to what you tell me. And she
23:39
goes, you have no choice. What are you
23:41
going to do? If I don't tell you what to
23:42
do, you've got nothing.
23:44
>> Mhm. And that's where you you knew about
23:47
it because of notes from Nell, like when
23:49
you went to Nell's uh last, you know,
23:51
when you saw her body and had got got
23:54
mad and threatened revenge on Meisto.
23:56
There's a whole bit where you look
23:58
through her research and you find out
23:59
this mention of this blade that Lilith
24:01
made and tried to give to Rathma and
24:04
then she didn't know anything about it.
24:05
You bring that up. She's like, "Yeah, I
24:07
know what you're talking about." And you
24:10
you know she she basically shows you
24:12
what the blade was like, but then shows
24:13
you that it's destroyed. And through
24:16
going through like her memory a little
24:18
bit, you get to a certain point where
24:20
she's explaining it and she's like, "You
24:23
got to go. No, you can't stay here. My
24:25
father has found you." and you go back
24:29
out and there's demons everywhere and
24:30
you have to kill your way throughout the
24:32
area just to get some, you know, and and
24:35
at one point Laur even says they're
24:38
definitely talking to Lilith upset
24:40
Meisto because he has sent an entire
24:42
army of Morland to kill you. Yeah, it's
24:45
it's it's also a a a good and I don't
24:49
want to say a stark reminder, but a very
24:52
interesting view that reminds you that
24:56
everything is connected and that like
24:59
the two of them are connected. And
25:01
because the two of them are connected,
25:04
you're connected to Meisto as well. And
25:07
that in and of itself is to me like such
25:13
a very important like point. Uh and like
25:18
and it becomes relevant later.
25:20
>> So again I don't I just wanted to throw
25:23
that in there but please continue.
25:24
Absolutely. Cuz after we because after
25:26
the return of Lilith, the return of
25:28
Lilith, there's there's so much more
25:29
that happens.
25:30
>> Um especially revolving around the uh
25:32
the prophecy, right?
25:34
>> Yeah. The prophecy is coming back again.
25:36
Lilith's view on the prophecy is that it
25:38
was the babblings of a scared child who
25:40
had touched the unknown for the first
25:41
time in his existence. She doesn't see
25:43
Rathma as a prophet. And it's weird. I
25:47
you get a really interesting sense of
25:49
the relationship she had with Rathma
25:51
where I I it's hard to say she loved him
25:54
because she is literally the daughter of
25:55
hatred but yet she still wanted to
25:58
protect him wanted to give him the
26:01
ability to live free of his of her
26:03
father wanted to I I feel like it's
26:06
almost suffocating like she and it
26:09
refers back to the Elias Laurath
26:11
relationship where Lilith is trying very
26:14
hard to guide Rathma and protect to the
26:18
point where Yeah. And she straight up
26:20
like he changes his name to Rathma and
26:22
she just goes with it. Like there's no
26:25
attempt to like no your name's Lenarian
26:27
because in her opinion, you know,
26:29
anything that takes the Anarius out of
26:30
this equation is a good thing. Um but
26:33
no, there's this whole thing you this
26:35
breaks up into two basic things you're
26:37
doing at the same time. One of them is
26:39
of course trying to figure out what
26:40
Misto is actually doing in Sco. Why is
26:43
he here? Why did he, you know, at one
26:45
point Laurat said something like the
26:47
city's still standing, so clearly he
26:49
wants something. You know, he didn't
26:51
just wipe the place out. He didn't just
26:52
summon all his demons and start killing.
26:55
He He's doing something. He's going
26:57
somewhere. So, that's the first thing
26:59
you're trying to do. The second thing
27:00
you're trying to do is to find this
27:01
blade that Lilith made because at this
27:04
point, you don't know why. You just know
27:06
that it it is the spear of light in the
27:09
reference from the from the the
27:11
prophecy. Even if Lilith tells you the
27:13
prophecy is bunk and don't listen to it,
27:14
it's pretty much all you have. So,
27:16
you're trying to find the pieces of the
27:19
uh the weapon that she made for Wrathma
27:22
that Wrathma broke and you're trying to
27:24
figure out why uh Metho is in Sco. And
27:27
the story pretty much it takes you from
27:29
place to place. So, you do one thing and
27:31
then you go to another place. The Temple
27:33
of Life, uh I think it's in Lyander
27:37
itself.
27:37
>> Mhm. is one of the places you go because
27:40
Wraithma loved it as a kid. It was one
27:43
of the places he used to go all the time
27:44
when he was trying to figure himself out
27:47
because we keep forgetting Rathma's the
27:49
first of the Nephilim. Rathma is the one
27:51
that is directly created by Lilith and
27:54
Anarius working together and as a result
27:57
the others all kind of like he he's the
28:00
one who struggled the most. the others
28:02
all kind of came into existence and had
28:04
him as a guide to what we are what you
28:07
know and so by the time that Scoos is an
28:12
established civilization before Lilith
28:14
and and Anarius come to blows before
28:16
what they call the purge there's this
28:19
whole period of all these Nephilim
28:21
figures like example one example is
28:23
Filios who is a Nephilim and he is this
28:26
famous culture hero to the people of
28:28
Scoos um Filio
28:31
uh had a relationship with an angel
28:33
named Lyander. That's where the
28:34
sightless eye comes from and that's
28:36
coming up. But during this time,
28:39
Rothma's, you know, in the temple of
28:41
life, you go there and you start seeing
28:43
visions of what Rothma did and what he
28:47
thought about his mother. And it's clear
28:51
that he had affection for her. But it's
28:53
also clear that he did not trust by her
28:56
very nature. He did not think she was
28:57
trustable. That he couldn't when she
29:00
said this thing will help protect you.
29:01
He did not believe her.
29:03
>> Mhm.
29:04
>> Because she is what she is. You know,
29:06
she is the daughter of hatred. She is a
29:08
demon. Go ahead. which is which is I
29:11
think a fascinating thing because one of
29:13
the things Matt and I have talked about
29:14
so much is that Lilith and this is like
29:18
a kind of a perfect as you're going
29:19
through this journey this is a perfect
29:21
encapsulation of it right like Lilith
29:24
can be cy but Lilith doesn't need to lie
29:28
and that's one of like the more
29:30
interesting that like we as players
29:32
understand and I think you as the player
29:35
character the wanderer understands after
29:38
everything that happens in this
29:39
expansion
29:40
Um because you don't have to lie to
29:43
breed hatred and
29:45
>> sometimes telling the truth is the best
29:47
way to do that
29:48
>> almost always and so like Rathma missed
29:51
that I think which is kind of one of the
29:53
more I it is a very fascinating thing
29:57
because as insightful uh and as deep as
30:00
Rathma's knowledge goes and he is very
30:04
deep and insightful I mean enough to see
30:07
the the the future and and have the
30:10
prophecies, right? Uh the biggest
30:12
problem is that he doesn't, and this
30:15
highlights it, especially when talking
30:17
about the prophecy, he doesn't
30:18
understand. Like just straight up, he he
30:21
knows the words. He thinks he
30:24
understands, but after everything
30:26
between him being having that power,
30:30
being under his mother and father for as
30:32
long as he was studying under Traul, he
30:35
still doesn't understand. And I think
30:38
that's really fascinating, especially
30:39
when you come across the the uh shade or
30:42
echo of Rothma, which is another really
30:46
thing is like that's one of the whole
30:48
key things as you're going through and
30:49
you're you're on this journey. you
30:51
discover that you have to get the spear
30:54
light necess like Lilith sort of decides
30:57
or thinks that it refers to the spear or
31:00
the blade that she had gifted Rathma
31:02
that Wrathma shattered because he didn't
31:04
trust her and that that would
31:06
potentially be the thing that would
31:09
allow them to destroy Methto. Um
31:13
>> immediately tell you what it is. You
31:14
have to actually get to a certain point
31:16
where she tells you exactly why it would
31:17
work.
31:18
>> Yeah. and and I can with understanding
31:19
why when we get to the end of it when we
31:21
we do our final confrontation. Uh but
31:24
when you go and get the very first
31:25
piece, the hilt
31:27
um and you it's in a No, I'm sorry. It's
31:31
the second piece. I think might be the
31:32
first piece. When you
31:34
>> I'm sorry. Go ahead.
31:35
>> No, I'm I'm agreeing with you. I can't
31:37
remember if it was the first or second
31:38
piece.
31:39
>> One leads you to the Roger Cube. The
31:42
other one leads you to uh the the echo
31:45
of Rothma. And the echo of Rothma forces
31:48
you to relive his memories and then
31:51
fights you to before it relinquishes the
31:54
piece to you. And in that it's it's all
31:57
these interactions and even then like
31:59
Lilith is like he didn't understand. He
32:02
thought that I was trying to you know
32:03
that I'd be out to get him. He thought
32:05
that there was conditions or strings
32:07
attached to it when all I was doing was
32:09
giving him
32:11
uh you know the tools to defend himself
32:15
in a world that wanted him dead. And
32:17
>> yeah, and it's really interesting too.
32:19
The thing about this is first off
32:20
Wrathma straight up says I don't know if
32:23
it's my inherent suspicion that is the
32:25
problem.
32:26
>> Like I I could just destroy this thing.
32:29
Not just break it into three pieces. I
32:31
could annihilate it, but I don't know if
32:33
that's what I should do. And that's why
32:36
I'm keeping it. That's why I'm putting a
32:38
piece of myself into this thing to talk
32:41
to you and eventually fight you to
32:43
determine if you're worth, you know,
32:45
trusting with this. And that's the thing
32:48
even like he never he was always the
32:51
child of both of them. And you get to
32:54
see Anarius again in the process of
32:55
doing all this because a big part of
32:58
finding out what Mephisto wants is
33:01
during one of the the confrontations you
33:04
have in your own head with Lilith trying
33:06
to figure out, okay, what is the deal
33:08
with this thing? Why is it so important?
33:10
And at first she doesn't tell you, but
33:13
then like as you're going through this
33:14
whole bit where you you come to a memory
33:16
of Inarius chained in hell. Um, and
33:19
you're getting that not from Lilith.
33:22
You're getting that from Methto because
33:24
at this point
33:25
>> because Methto was his jailer. Let's
33:27
let's
33:29
>> Yeah, he was. But it's important that
33:31
Joe made up this point earlier. But at
33:33
this point, Lilith reveals to you that
33:35
yes, you know, she and her father are
33:37
connected. He created her to be an
33:40
opponent forever. Like he wanted someone
33:43
to fight with. He wanted someone to
33:46
challenge.
33:47
>> Yeah. And so the two of them were
33:49
fighting this whole time. And he's still
33:52
linked to her. She's as much a part of
33:55
him as as anything. She she is his
33:58
daughter. As a result of this, since
34:01
she's linked to you, she her pedal went
34:03
into your bloodstream. Your you and her
34:05
are connected. He's connected to you
34:08
through her. And he's been using that to
34:11
try and kill you, but also to see what
34:13
you're doing. He's basically that's why
34:15
he's been able to find you. He's why he
34:17
knows what you're up to. He's been
34:19
spying on you through this connection.
34:21
In the process, she uses it to see what
34:23
his plan is. Why? And she finally you
34:26
get to this bit where Anarius is chained
34:28
up and [snorts] she's saying to Anarius,
34:30
"What did you tell him?" Because keep in
34:32
mind, it's not Little's fault Anarius
34:34
was chained up by by Meto. Uh the angels
34:37
gave Inarius to Meto
34:39
>> as a as a like a treaty thing as a
34:42
>> Yeah.
34:43
>> Let's both Yeah. Let's both leave.
34:45
>> Yeah. But obviously you can't trust me.
34:48
And also obviously uh if if Lilith had
34:51
been around, she would have been the
34:53
first one to just kill Anarius so he
34:55
couldn't end up uh in hell because she
34:59
knew Anarius knew things she didn't want
35:01
her father to know.
35:03
And after being tortured in hell for
35:05
enough time, you know, Anarius finally
35:07
confesses after you beat him up because
35:09
it's it's it's Diablo. You have to beat
35:11
him up before he'll tell you things. uh
35:14
in here confesses that he told uh Methto
35:18
everything
35:19
>> how humans how the Nephilim were
35:21
created. That is the
35:22
>> how what Scovos was, where the pools of
35:26
creation are and how they were used to
35:29
create the original Nephilim, including
35:31
you know Rathma u because you know
35:33
Anarius was a big ball of light in our
35:35
suit of armor and Misesto is a demon.
35:37
They couldn't just they didn't do it
35:39
that way. That's not They didn't have
35:40
it. They didn't just go behind a bush
35:42
and, you know, make out for a while and
35:44
then here's a kid. Uh they had to
35:46
actually actively create him and all the
35:48
other ones. Um and other angels and
35:51
demons were involved in the process, but
35:53
they started it off because it was, you
35:55
know, it ultimately was all Lilis idea
35:57
was to create these beings that could do
36:00
what she couldn't, that could oppose
36:03
both heaven and hell. And when you find
36:05
that out, she tells you, "Okay, you want
36:07
to know what that blade is? It it's it's
36:10
if you hit a human with it, they're just
36:11
gone forever. You'll never see them
36:13
again. If you hit a god with it, it's
36:15
the worst thing you could ever do to
36:17
them. Because that's how I got exiled.
36:20
And found a piece of it, just a piece.
36:24
And because the piece was broken, it
36:26
didn't cleanly cut through existence. It
36:29
jaggedly ripped a huge hole in it. And
36:32
he shoved me through it. That's he
36:34
banished me with this. That's why I was
36:36
in the void. That's how I got there both
36:39
times because he did it to me again. Uh,
36:42
and that's what you find out about the
36:43
sin war. They they actually bring in
36:44
just enough of the sin war to understand
36:47
what you're saying, but they don't
36:48
really go into specifics about it and
36:50
which I think is actually a neat touch
36:51
if you don't want to bog people down
36:53
with too much. So, you find this out.
36:55
You find out now you know what this the
36:57
blade can do. Now you know what Meisto
37:00
is up to. There's a bunch of stuff with
37:02
you trying to figure out how to recreate
37:05
the sword. This leads to to Laurath and
37:08
you running into Tyel. I think it it's
37:11
set up in a way where I feel like Tyial
37:13
was looking for us.
37:14
>> Well, it it there's there's a little
37:16
more important thing about it because at
37:17
this point Laurath is
37:19
>> Lorath is is circling the drain
37:21
mentally.
37:22
>> Yeah, he is not doing
37:23
>> um he is he is been messed with. He's
37:26
been Meto got the best of him twice. Um
37:30
he's by himself essentially. We're with
37:33
him, but essentially he's by himself.
37:35
He's the last of the Harajim. Um, you
37:38
know, his his best friend Donan is dead.
37:42
Um, there's nobody else.
37:44
>> Student is dead. His original student is
37:46
dead.
37:46
>> Nel is dead. And it looks like for all
37:49
that we've done that, uh, Meisto is
37:52
going to win because he wasn't strong
37:55
enough, and this is all internalized, he
37:57
wasn't strong enough to resist the
37:59
vision, uh, which caused him to lash out
38:02
at Meesto, air quote. Um, and then which
38:06
resulted in him essentially cutting the
38:08
queen's throat. Um, and so he's walking
38:12
out of of where you are uh of these
38:15
battlements and he his his pike is down
38:20
uh and he's ready to just like let
38:23
himself die. And the crows from the uh
38:26
tree of whispers are circling waiting to
38:28
collect their due. Uh, and at this
38:30
moment, that's when Tyel shows up and
38:34
says, "Get up, my friend. We got work to
38:36
do." And literally holds out his hand.
38:39
Uh, and it's like this the scene is
38:42
really like this last lifeline for
38:45
>> very
38:47
like it feels like the bit where, you
38:48
know, he shows up to fight Ball and and
38:51
uh Diablo. And I don't think people keep
38:53
that in mind enough. There was a point
38:55
in time where Tyio went toe-to-toe with
38:58
two prime evils.
38:59
>> Yeah.
39:00
>> You know, I'm not saying he thought he
39:02
was gonna win, but he went right in
39:04
there. And even as a human, because
39:06
remember, he's not a human technically,
39:08
but he is mortal in a mortal body. And
39:11
and you actually see him at this point.
39:13
It's been 50 years. The dude's, you
39:14
know, he is aging. Um, and he's like,
39:18
you know, he's still doing this stuff.
39:20
He's still he's still trying to be just
39:23
and trying to you keep the Harajum
39:24
going. It's through Tyel that we find
39:26
out about the the Herodrick vault that's
39:30
that's on Sco. We knew about it cuz
39:32
Laurath had been there but we we he's
39:34
like yes there's a cube there and and
39:36
Lorath is like which means we can fix
39:38
the s we can fix the blade there and
39:40
you're like I don't know what you guys
39:42
are talking about but okay. Uh, and so
39:44
you go to the you go to the Harajri um
39:47
archive, you know, the last of their
39:50
big, you know, installations. I am we
39:53
don't have time to go through everything
39:54
you do there, but the whole Harajim
39:56
legacy gets exposed and you do recreate
40:00
the blade. Unfortunately,
40:02
you get separated from Laurath and when
40:06
you find him, he is you find Adriiona
40:09
standing there cleaning her blade. And
40:12
this is the thing Joe was talking about.
40:14
So I'm going to throw it to him for a
40:15
second.
40:16
>> Yeah.
40:16
>> Cuz I I agree about what he's going to
40:18
say, I think.
40:19
>> Yeah. So it's this it's this moment of
40:22
like Adriana who is for all intents and
40:25
purposes, if you've read the novel and
40:26
you go back and listen to we talked
40:28
about the novel is Lauras one true love.
40:32
Um and not just because
40:33
>> he ever got to happiness, you know.
40:35
>> Yeah. And and it's not just because
40:36
she's like, you know, this beautiful
40:38
warrior woman. No, it's because she's
40:40
strong and she challenged him and forced
40:44
him to be better at a point where he
40:47
wasn't ready to. She she essentially I
40:52
don't want to say calmed the night
40:53
terrors, but there's a very distinct
40:55
point in the book where Laura talks
40:57
about all the nightmares he has. He
40:59
meets Adriana, goes through everything
41:01
with her, helps, you know, save the Sco
41:03
Isles. She becomes queen. He has to go
41:06
back. Um but he doesn't talk about the
41:09
nightmares anymore. Um he's actually
41:12
fighting the good fights when this is
41:14
before he took on the students. This is
41:16
you know before all those other things
41:18
happened. Uh he had a new outlook on
41:20
life because of her. And in this moment
41:22
uh he's basically hunted down by her.
41:25
She knows where the Herodric vault is.
41:28
Um, they basically flat out told her
41:31
about this at the end of the book. And
41:33
so she knows that that's where Laurath
41:36
is going to go because if Laurath is
41:38
going to stop Ocarat, uh, because she
41:41
still has not accepted that it's
41:42
Mephisto yet. Um, you know, it's she's
41:47
going to go there, that's where there's
41:48
going to be the knowledge or the tools
41:49
or the weapons or something. And so she
41:52
goes there and when we get separated
41:54
there's this moment where literally his
41:57
halbird is down. You find it and then
41:58
you find him and she's he's on his knees
42:04
in front of her and she just executes
42:07
him. She removes his head from his body
42:12
and then just gives in to this pure
42:16
like devotion to Acarat which then leads
42:20
to her giving into hatred and it's like
42:23
she's a completely different person
42:25
because she kind of is at this point but
42:28
this is where like I I I hate that this
42:30
happened to Laurath because it was there
42:32
was no chance he would ever fight
42:34
against back against her at this point.
42:35
He wouldn't. Not with the mind space
42:37
he's in.
42:38
>> And he didn't he didn't even have his
42:40
weapon on him, right? Like he
42:42
>> he didn't even bring it.
42:43
>> He left it.
42:44
>> And the fact that she was so far gone
42:49
that that's just what she did. She just
42:51
thought, "Oh, yep. I'm going to execute
42:53
him." uh bothers me because either she
42:57
was just Meto was that powerful or
43:01
something else happened but it just felt
43:03
so out of character for her in my
43:06
opinion. Um but
43:08
>> I don't necessarily think it went it
43:10
felt out of character but I do think
43:12
they were trying to do something and I
43:13
think that unfortunately they only
43:15
revealed what it was in stuff after the
43:17
main story
43:18
>> which I still have not fully discovered.
43:20
Yeah, there's this whole bit about how
43:23
um hatred leads to destruction,
43:26
destruction leads to terror, terror
43:28
leads to hatred. It's a cycle. Um each
43:31
of the primevals, the three big ones,
43:33
each of them feeds into the others.
43:36
That's that's why they're the triune.
43:37
That's why they're always the three of
43:39
them together and then the other four
43:40
are just kind of hanging out cuz those
43:43
three fuel the cycle that keeps the
43:46
hell's running. And I think that it you
43:50
get just enough of of Adriiona's fear,
43:53
her fear for Scovos. And I think her
43:56
fear when he cut her throat because she
43:58
trusted Laurath. You know, of all the
44:00
people in the world, Laurath is a guy.
44:02
There's even bits afterwards where
44:03
you're trying to decide who becomes
44:05
queen later, uh, where you find out that
44:07
Adriiona was writing him letters and
44:09
then not sending them for years. She did
44:12
this. So, I I don't think it's
44:14
necessarily out of character as much as
44:16
I think it's jarring because you don't
44:19
get to see any progression on it. You
44:22
see her one time, you know, with at the
44:25
whole switcheroo thing where the
44:27
cinematic
44:27
>> and then you don't see her again
44:30
>> at all until then. Yeah.
44:32
>> And there and there's nothing because
44:33
everything you you see is through her
44:35
her people, her generals where they're
44:37
marching, they're going towards the
44:39
pools. Um, you hear about the movements,
44:42
you hear about some of the decisions
44:43
she's making, but it's all secondhand
44:45
and it's all like it's not an evolution
44:48
of the character. I think you're right.
44:49
I think it's not necessarily that it's
44:51
out of character. I think it is just
44:52
extremely jarring because you don't see
44:55
the transition
44:56
>> and you don't get to see their
44:57
confrontation. I that to me that's a
45:00
huge missed opportunity.
45:01
>> You're going to put a cinematic, you
45:03
know.
45:04
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and and I would agree
45:05
with that too cuz like that cinematic
45:08
while powerful and and gut-wrenching
45:10
would have been all the more so if there
45:13
had been something that showed the final
45:16
conversation between the two the final
45:18
things and not just Adriiona going, you
45:21
know, full deep end into the crazy the
45:24
crazy pool, right? Like having something
45:26
where like there's a back and forth.
45:28
there's a the don between the two of
45:30
them and then he says fine you know I'm
45:34
not going to fight you that you like I
45:38
you are or or that you are no longer my
45:40
Adriana or something like there there is
45:43
no nothing there is no realization there
45:45
is no no smoothing of the edge and it
45:48
feels like a jagged cut for the sake of
45:50
a jagged cut. Yeah. And still it it's
45:53
got emotional power to it because at
45:55
this point you've come to care a lot
45:56
about Laurath. But I do feel like if
45:58
you've gotten to see any of their their
46:01
interactions before this like she's like
46:03
I don't want to kill you but my people I
46:04
I have to save my people. I can't let
46:06
them fall and you're like he's and
46:09
Laura's like that's exactly what he's
46:11
counting on. And they go back and forth
46:13
and she's like, "You cut my throat, you
46:16
know, and you get to hear the betrayal
46:18
of it, you know, I loved you for decades
46:20
and you cut my throat, you know, and
46:23
there's there was a place for it." But
46:25
anyway, that happens. Adriana gets
46:27
killed by you uh at that point cuz man,
46:30
I I I don't know what on on Sanctuary
46:33
could have saved Adriiona at that point.
46:35
uh you know cuz your character has been
46:38
you've been ride or die with Laurath
46:39
since you met and you she killed him
46:43
right there in front of you. Do you
46:44
honestly think you're walking out of
46:46
this? I don't know if you've noticed but
46:48
I I have been wrecking face throughout
46:51
this entire through Estra and now your
46:53
islands. So yeah, she she Adriiona
46:56
unfortunately does not survive. Well,
46:58
unfortunately for her and I think you
47:00
know for the person she had been. But as
47:03
a result of all this though, you start
47:05
getting the other thing while this is
47:07
all going on, while you're getting
47:08
[snorts] the blade together and heading
47:10
into the uh creation, there's a lot of
47:14
story with Lilith, like of her and you
47:17
and your relationship with her. And
47:20
there's a bit that Wrathma of all people
47:22
said when you saw him back in the
47:24
temple. He's like, you know, finally the
47:26
child my mother wanted. And at first,
47:29
you don't know what he meant. He
47:31
doesn't, you know, just the idea that
47:32
you'll just do what she says was what
47:33
he's implying. But there's more to it
47:36
because at one point she asks you a
47:38
question before you, you know, get into
47:40
the final mode. She asks you a question
47:41
like, do you knowing everything about me
47:44
you do now, would you still kill me? And
47:47
honestly, I went through all the options
47:49
on this question and the best response
47:51
seems to be yes, I'd still kill you
47:54
because you were wrong. And she's like,
47:56
at least you're, you know, at least
47:57
you're honest. And it's this leads into
48:01
Meisto decides, "Okay, I don't have time
48:04
for this game we've been playing up to
48:05
this point. You're actually starting to
48:07
look like you might win. So, I'm just
48:10
going to kill you. I'm going to use all
48:12
of my power and the connection we have.
48:14
I'm going to blow your brain up. I'm
48:16
just going to kill you from the inside
48:17
and be done with it so I can go on to
48:20
win." Uh, and this leads to you and
48:24
Lilith trying to protect your existence
48:26
inside your mind. And finally, you're
48:30
basically falling into what appears to
48:32
be the void. You're you're falling to
48:34
non-existence. You're you're going to
48:36
wherever you're going to go. And Lilith
48:38
comes screaming down to basically save
48:41
you. And does so by giving you a a a
48:43
version of the blade. Like she pulls
48:46
another version of the blade out and
48:46
says, "Sever the bond." And after some
48:49
back and forth, you do it. You stab
48:51
Lilith with the with the blade and she
48:55
like when she falls away from you, you
48:57
come out of it, you're conscious again
49:00
and there's no trace of Lilith in you.
49:01
Any like you you did sever the bond and
49:04
by severing that bond, you severed the
49:05
bond to Meisto. This this leads us to an
49:09
interesting thing. We don't know what
49:11
that means for her. Where did she go? We
49:15
don't know the answer to that question.
49:16
Uh, she might be dead for for real dead.
49:19
She might have had to go basically be
49:21
reabsorbed by Meisto. She might have
49:23
ended up in some other follower
49:25
somewhere else. Uh, there's reasons I'm
49:29
I'm focusing on this that come up after.
49:31
I don't know if we'll get to them
49:32
unfortunately, but you go to the pools
49:34
of creation. Meto is doing the thing
49:36
that he's been doing from the beginning.
49:38
You'll notice Meto just like everybody
49:40
else is getting willing followers. Elias
49:44
got the willing. people had to agree to
49:47
what Elias wanted to bring Lilith back.
49:50
>> We see that with the vampires because
49:51
the vampires don't kill you. They they
49:53
convert you. They turn you into a
49:55
vampire. You have to kind of decide you
49:57
want to be a vampire otherwise they just
49:58
drink your blood. Um there's the whole
50:02
deal with Meisto in this expansion is
50:05
all the hands of Alcarat are they he
50:07
convinces them that they'll ascend into
50:09
a new realm of existence, but what they
50:11
end up being is fuel. Which again keep
50:14
in mind that like you know embodying
50:16
Acarat you are you are the most famous
50:18
spiritual
50:20
icon of sanctuaries history because
50:23
>> yeah the entire room religion was based
50:25
around stuff you said.
50:27
>> Yeah because the only other people that
50:29
had a religious following that uh that
50:31
much have erased themselves from the
50:33
memory of existence.
50:34
>> Yep. So in a weird sort of way, I mean,
50:37
he's not even lying to them when he
50:39
tells them they'll reach a new level of
50:40
existence because they'll be part of
50:41
him. And he he thinks he very highly of
50:44
himself. So yeah, when you get to the
50:46
pools of creation, he already begins
50:48
converting his followers. Many of the
50:50
Amazons that were following him, the
50:52
ones that didn't listen uh and broke
50:55
break away and and help fight get
50:57
instantly converted because they're
50:59
willing into like mindless servants. not
51:01
mindless, but they don't they no longer
51:03
have the ability to question him.
51:04
They're essentially just tools. And he's
51:07
doing that with the the pilgrims as
51:09
well. And he's using it to corrupt the
51:11
pools, which means he can get everyone.
51:13
Like this is like remember when Malio
51:16
was killing everybody. Similar thing.
51:18
This is going to reach out and and it's
51:21
going to convert everyone on sanctuary
51:23
into a thrral of hatred because and I
51:26
think Bethto is perfectly suited to this
51:28
because his essence is tied up in every
51:31
human. We're all children of Lilith
51:34
which means we're all children of him.
51:35
We're grandchildren of him.
51:37
>> So he's going to just finally get an
51:39
entire army of Nephilim. They're going
51:42
to start gaining all the wacky powers
51:45
and they're going to help wreck the
51:46
heavens. That's where he's going. You
51:48
come in and you can tell he didn't he
51:52
didn't know you were still alive because
51:54
the connection was severed. He no longer
51:56
could see into you, could no longer feel
51:58
what you were thinking, no longer knew
52:00
what you were doing. So, you drop in on
52:02
him. Big fight happens. Uh, you managed
52:05
to keep him from successfully corrupting
52:07
the pools. And then he when Meisto was
52:10
laying there defeated, he gives you the
52:12
usual speech about how this was all
52:13
pointless. Like, you know, I'm going to
52:15
go back to hell. I'm gonna, you know,
52:18
regenerate, return. This is all gonna
52:21
start again. And that's where your
52:22
character goes, I'm well, it's good
52:25
thing I'm not gonna kill you then.
52:26
You're not going to hell. And that's
52:28
when you stab him with the dagger, which
52:30
is when you finally get to see the spear
52:32
of light piercing Hatred's heart. Um,
52:36
because that's what it does. There's
52:37
this gigantic blast of light. And Meisto
52:40
in a call back to when Lilith shows up.
52:43
Um, you remember when Lila shows up in
52:44
the original cinematic and like all the
52:46
blood creates that weird skin call
52:50
webbing thing and she's sort of pushed
52:52
out of it? That's happens to him in
52:55
reverse. The United Dagger forces him
52:58
through into the void through a similar
53:01
skin and there's this one bit where you
53:03
see Meisto trapped in it before it
53:06
pushes in fully and he's gone after with
53:08
a lot of screaming. Um, apparently it's
53:11
loud enough that people all around Sco
53:13
hear it, which I'm not surprised by
53:15
because Meto is nothing if he doesn't
53:16
like to hear himself talk. Uh, not that
53:18
I would know what that's about. And
53:20
yeah, boom. He's he's now stuck in the
53:22
void. The void that she was stuck in.
53:25
And as containment systems go, the void
53:29
is more effective than a soul stone.
53:30
It's not perfect. Obviously, you can get
53:32
out of it because Lilith has done so
53:34
twice, but it takes a lot longer. It
53:36
it's it's a respit for once. you get
53:39
enough time to actually cuz think about
53:42
this. We we def defeated all three
53:44
primevals in Diablo II.
53:46
>> They were back to some degree by Diablo
53:49
III and they're back again in Diablo I.
53:52
They don't stay gone long with the other
53:54
method.
53:55
>> At least this way you might get a couple
53:57
thousand years to come up with something
53:59
else.
53:59
>> Yeah. I mean, and and it is relatively
54:03
effective, right? Like Yep. when Lilith
54:05
was on the other side of the void, like
54:08
she wasn't really affecting or able to
54:12
communicate. And she even mentions that
54:14
like it was just falling into nothing.
54:17
Uh, and that she couldn't there there
54:19
was nothing to respond to. She couldn't
54:21
touch anything. Her power was useless.
54:23
And now Meisto has to deal with that.
54:25
And the interesting thing though is now
54:28
it begs a question. Can we do that for
54:30
the others? Do we want to do that for
54:33
the others? Um, yeah, it's it's a
54:36
fascinating solution to that particular
54:39
problem. And and and also one of the
54:43
thing that I started thinking about is
54:45
are the other prime evils as effective
54:48
now that one of the prime three are gone
54:52
because
54:52
>> that's the whole idea that they feed
54:54
into each other and lead to each other.
54:56
I still think Bale could appear next. I
54:59
I think it's most likely to be Bale
55:02
>> because Bale's destruction always comes
55:04
after hatred.
55:05
>> But is he going to h he's not going to
55:08
be able to exploit it the way he did?
55:12
Diablo II is a perfect example of this.
55:14
Methto had corrupted the Zacharum had
55:17
laid a ton of groundwork which allowed
55:19
Bale to get on up to to Cesaron and wipe
55:23
the place out and get to the world
55:24
stone. Without Mefisto as a as a
55:27
launching pad, he probably couldn't have
55:29
done it. But that doesn't mean he isn't
55:30
dangerous. And if he comes back to
55:32
Sanctuary in the state it's in right
55:34
now, who knows what will happen. Um, but
55:38
it is Yeah. What we don't know what
55:42
he'll do. And we also don't know like
55:46
we've never gotten to see Bale as a
55:48
thinker or a planner cuz he's never been
55:50
like they always say he's the least he's
55:52
the most impetuous of the three.
55:53
>> Mhm. He's not a schemer. He He's not
55:56
Mesto or Diablo. So, it'll be
55:58
interesting to see if Bale can adapt to
56:00
the new situation. Yeah, absolutely. But
56:02
there's like so much I I don't think we
56:03
have a lot of time left. There's so much
56:06
of stuff after this. This is one of the
56:08
things I I think is really puts uh Lord
56:11
of Hatred above Vessel of Hatred. Vessel
56:13
of Hatred feels like you smash your car
56:15
into a wall and there's just a cut scene
56:16
of Acarat coming back and being evil.
56:18
Now, uh, this time you get done with
56:21
with Meisto and then there's like an
56:23
entire quest about finding a new queen
56:25
for Scoos. Um, an entire quest line
56:29
about the sightless eye. Can it be
56:31
fixed?
56:32
>> And and and the rel and I was going to
56:34
say and the relation for the high
56:36
heavens and why the high heavens have
56:37
been uh and I'm going to air quote
56:40
closed here uh because a lot of the side
56:43
questing deals with that too. Uh, and a
56:46
little bit about what's been going on
56:47
there, not just the hell.
56:49
>> Yeah. And there's a whole bit which even
56:52
has a call back to um one of the
56:55
characters from the the season of
56:57
Infernal Hordes comes back and takes you
57:00
on this what happened with Elias's
57:03
followers after Lilith was gone and the
57:06
triune went back to serving the the
57:08
primevalss. What happened to the
57:10
faithful, the the loyal ones who really
57:12
did want to serve Lilith? You find out
57:14
what happened to them and you find out
57:16
more about the void that the void is not
57:19
empty except for people who get banished
57:22
there. There's and there's stuff in
57:24
there
57:24
>> like almost like Cthulhu asking horrors
57:27
if I remember correctly.
57:28
>> But also there's one character, this one
57:31
is spoilers, but it's also speculation.
57:34
So don't take what I'm about to say as
57:37
canon. Just think about it. There is a
57:40
character who pops up in this quest, a
57:43
demon entity literally named the unmade.
57:47
And the unmade is talking when you're
57:51
torture. You're essentially summoning
57:52
it. You kill it. The it until they do
57:55
this over and over again until it tells
57:57
uh the person from the season 5 quests,
58:01
where to find the rest of the midwives,
58:04
which is what they're calling themselves
58:05
now. because they're trying to birth
58:07
something new into sanctuary now that uh
58:09
Lilith doesn't seem to be accessible. As
58:11
a result of all this, he tells you
58:14
straight up, you've you've emptied a
58:15
throne and something's going to fill it.
58:18
He makes that statement after you go and
58:21
you effectively defeat the the midwives.
58:23
You don't do it in time and this weird
58:26
child is born and the the warlock in
58:29
question who's helping you is like, I'm
58:32
I'm going to take that baby and I'm
58:34
going to go. And you're like, what? are
58:35
you sure that's a good idea? And you're
58:36
like, and she's like, are you gonna kill
58:37
it? You're gonna kill a baby? And she
58:39
goes, it has some some weird essence to
58:42
it that reminds me of Lilith and reminds
58:44
me of you. And so she takes the baby and
58:46
leaves. I the the more I thought about
58:49
it, there's an item in Diablo I called
58:52
the crown of Lucian. Lucian is Lilith's
58:55
brother. So Meisto made a son and a
58:59
daughter. He didn't just make her, he
59:01
made a son, too. And that son isn't
59:04
around anymore because the Nephilim
59:08
unmade him.
59:10
>> You know,
59:11
>> literally described that way.
59:13
>> Yep. I was going to say literally
59:15
described as being unmade.
59:17
>> So when you read the crowd of Lucian,
59:19
one of the things it even says is he,
59:21
you know, he claims no thrones. He he he
59:23
he makes no plans. He is, you know,
59:26
relentless, you know, unstoppable, pure
59:28
hatred, uh, without a goal and without a
59:31
plan.
59:32
If if whatever's left of Lucien has been
59:35
hanging out in the void because he
59:37
didn't have anywhere else to go or
59:38
anywhere else to be just being angry for
59:43
who knows how long. And now Meisto's
59:45
stuck in the void. Maybe that's why
59:48
Lucian can get out.
59:49
>> And I was going to say this has been
59:50
this has been going on since the since
59:54
Diablo I first uh released too. like
59:56
this has been uh there was a quest I
59:58
remember
59:59
>> that starts in Menacead uh that is I
1:00:03
think it's Legacy Unmade that like deals
1:00:05
with a whole bunch of this stuff.
1:00:07
>> So like uh and then like you're talking
1:00:09
about the side quest of Void and Vessel.
1:00:11
Um there there's so many of these like
1:00:14
when I
1:00:16
we're running out of time so I don't
1:00:18
want to spend too much dwelling on this
1:00:19
but I I want to I I despised the way the
1:00:25
last expansion felt. This one, however,
1:00:28
I find myself consistently going through
1:00:32
and not just powering up and doing like
1:00:34
war plans, but trying to find every side
1:00:38
quest I can because there are so many
1:00:42
cool little nods and things that like
1:00:46
>> Yeah. Sometimes referring to past,
1:00:48
sometimes setting a path for the future.
1:00:50
>> Yeah. Like there's there's stuff here
1:00:51
that looks to me very clearly
1:00:56
uh like setting up the next expansion
1:00:58
and the next leg of the the story and
1:01:02
and everything else. Uh so like I'm man
1:01:05
I am just I'm here for it. Like
1:01:08
>> do you think we have time to talk about
1:01:09
the pit and the tower?
1:01:11
>> Uh very very very briefly. Um we could
1:01:15
do an entire episode on just the pit and
1:01:17
the tower.
1:01:17
>> Yeah. I'm going to try and speedrun this
1:01:19
for y'all. Basically, when you start
1:01:21
running through the pit to open
1:01:22
tournament levels, every five or so
1:01:24
levels, you start hearing a weird voice
1:01:27
or no weird noise in your character.
1:01:28
It's like, I'm being followed. Uh, and
1:01:30
it's just the voice line from the
1:01:31
original part of the game. It's not new
1:01:33
dialogue, but you go and you find these
1:01:35
various notes that are written
1:01:37
throughout the pit. And as you go
1:01:39
through, again, we we warned you at the
1:01:41
beginning of this episode, spoilers.
1:01:42
It's all spoilers. Don't worry about
1:01:44
that. uh you start realizing that wait
1:01:46
what is going on with this guy? He's he
1:01:48
sounds like he's going crazy. He keeps
1:01:49
talking about his brothers and you know
1:01:51
they'll save him and they'll come find
1:01:53
him. And then there's one that's just
1:01:55
him writing the word hope like a 20
1:01:57
times and it just keeps going and it's
1:01:59
like it be it's it becomes indel you
1:02:02
know indelible scroll after a while and
1:02:04
you finally get to a point where you
1:02:05
find out that it was a guy named Koroth
1:02:07
which if you've been doing the pit this
1:02:10
whole time going all the way back to to
1:02:12
Diablo I vessel of hatred the pit
1:02:15
mentions Koroth. It's even like Corath's
1:02:17
descent in one point and you find out
1:02:20
that Cor was a member of of the
1:02:22
Nephilim,
1:02:23
>> a Harajum
1:02:23
>> and sorry, Herodum. Yes, he was also a
1:02:26
Nephilim because he's human. But um he
1:02:28
was one of the Harajum and he was sent
1:02:29
to stop Zultan cool and and and to be
1:02:32
clear in the original iteration of it uh
1:02:36
it was referred to I believe as the
1:02:39
Artifiser's pit, not just the pit. I
1:02:41
believe that is correct.
1:02:42
>> I think it's still referenced that way
1:02:44
once or twice. It is.
1:02:45
>> It's called the pit in the in the in the
1:02:47
UI for simplicity sake, but it's still
1:02:49
considered the artificer's pit.
1:02:51
>> Yeah. And and the things that you uh
1:02:54
fight like the big bosses or the things
1:02:56
that you summon as you go through it are
1:02:57
the artificer's guardians, right? So
1:03:00
like but the question then has become
1:03:03
and this is one of the things that I was
1:03:04
talking about with Matt that I like Matt
1:03:06
and I will randomly just message each
1:03:08
other like one-s sentence things while
1:03:10
we're playing Diablo that we'll get to
1:03:12
later. Um, and like this is the one
1:03:14
thing like I did the pit and like I made
1:03:16
the realization after getting deep
1:03:18
enough and it's just like oh. Um, so
1:03:22
again, mild spoilers if you haven't done
1:03:25
any of the pit. Um, the pit was
1:03:28
originally designed as a prison for
1:03:29
Zolan Cool, or at least as far as I can
1:03:31
tell from the in-game stuff. Um,
1:03:33
>> yeah, I honestly think it's the other
1:03:34
way around.
1:03:35
>> No, no, no, no. Hold on because I think
1:03:37
I think that I think this is where it
1:03:38
gets interesting because uh the
1:03:41
artificer I think like you said he was
1:03:43
sent to stop Zultan Cool. Zultan Cool is
1:03:47
very difficult to kill because as long
1:03:50
as any part of him exists, he
1:03:53
technically exists. And I don't think we
1:03:57
actually killed or did anything with him
1:03:59
because it even talks about like if his
1:04:00
blood's there and his his body is there
1:04:03
like he's still able to like
1:04:05
reconstitute himself. That was the end
1:04:07
of his experimentation. Um and one of
1:04:10
the things that I think is fascinating
1:04:12
is the person who gets thrown into the
1:04:14
pit and leaving all those scrawlings
1:04:15
behind that we find as one of the
1:04:16
Rodram. I think he tried to go get
1:04:19
Zultan Cool and I think Zolan Cool
1:04:20
trapped him in his own trap and that
1:04:23
Zolton Cool then didn't turn it into one
1:04:24
of his experiments and I don't think
1:04:26
Zultan Cool is gone. I think we may see
1:04:29
him again. I I agree with you that Zolen
1:04:31
Cool is not gone. I don't know that I
1:04:33
think you're entirely right about the
1:04:34
order of things. Here's why. When did we
1:04:36
first run into the pit in Diablo 4? When
1:04:39
did we first see it
1:04:41
>> in the season of construct?
1:04:42
>> Well, that was Vessel, right? Season of
1:04:44
Construct.
1:04:45
>> I don't know if it was Vessel or not. I
1:04:46
remember the first time we saw the pit
1:04:48
was the season of of the construct in
1:04:51
which we find out that there's this
1:04:53
gigantic construct made by two Harajim
1:04:58
mages. Oh no, sorry to two mages. This
1:05:00
is preh Harajum. One of them was Zultan
1:05:02
Cool and he was the one who decided this
1:05:05
thing is broken. It doesn't work. I
1:05:07
think that Zultan Cool I either you're
1:05:11
right and I think there's a good chance
1:05:12
you're right or that Zolan Cool built
1:05:14
the thing in the first place because
1:05:16
Cool knew a lot about the Nephilim.
1:05:19
>> He also knew a lot about pocket
1:05:20
dimensions.
1:05:22
>> Yeah. And I can imagine much just like
1:05:24
his sanctum which is where you know he
1:05:26
reached immortality that's where he did
1:05:28
it. Um it's it's important to keep in
1:05:31
mind that of the people that were sent
1:05:33
to stop Zultan Cool, the only one who
1:05:35
succeeded was one of the original
1:05:36
Harajum alongside him. And and he's even
1:05:40
mentioned when you go to the Harajukri
1:05:42
vault, there's a whole bit where each of
1:05:44
the original fours um Jared um Kane and
1:05:49
you know the rest Oh, I can't remember
1:05:51
the one that gets turned into a prison.
1:05:53
Talasha. It's Talasha, Zultan Cool,
1:05:56
Jared Kaine, and the fourth one whose
1:05:58
name always escapes me. But that's the
1:06:00
one the fourth one is the one that
1:06:02
caught Cool eventually and pulled his
1:06:03
blood out of his body so that you could
1:06:05
keep him at least somewhat dead. Uh but
1:06:09
even that didn't kill him as as pointed
1:06:11
out. And cool
1:06:13
was studying the Nephilim well before
1:06:14
that. That's how he figured out some
1:06:16
form of immortality, which we'll note is
1:06:19
something Wrathma knew. And Rathma was
1:06:21
the firstborn of the firstborn. And the
1:06:25
way that Elias got his immortality,
1:06:28
you'll noted it worked until someone
1:06:30
destroyed the one piece of him that he
1:06:33
put away from himself.
1:06:34
>> Mhm.
1:06:36
>> Which means K would not have viewed it
1:06:38
as an acceptable form of immortality.
1:06:40
And Cool always liked to improve on
1:06:41
things you gave him. And there's a
1:06:43
reference in when Cool is studying the
1:06:46
soul stones, he makes a comment about
1:06:48
them that sounds very much like he's
1:06:50
talking about the void.
1:06:52
>> Yeah. That whole idea of the it's
1:06:54
isolated and trapped away from it's like
1:06:56
the soul stones were an attempt to mimic
1:06:58
the void. And all of this comes back to
1:07:01
me. It's like what is Cool's what are
1:07:03
Cool's two goals? One, immortality. Two,
1:07:06
to defeat angels and demons alike. And
1:07:09
so if he built the tower and the pit, he
1:07:16
might have built them studying the
1:07:18
Nephilim. And we know the Nephilim had a
1:07:19
way to do the exact same thing cuz we
1:07:21
ran a ton of Nephilim rifts in Diablo
1:07:23
III. So we know the Nephilim had the
1:07:26
pit. They had a version of it that
1:07:28
something like that that you could go
1:07:29
and fight in. He might have taken that
1:07:32
and turned it into this pit thing to
1:07:34
test subjects and then the guy coming
1:07:36
after him, he threw him in there because
1:07:38
why not? Uh so either way, either way it
1:07:41
could work and I do think cool I I think
1:07:43
Cool is the artificer. I think that is
1:07:45
who he is. He just doesn't. People
1:07:49
hear his name and they freak out. You
1:07:51
know, even when he was being completely
1:07:54
honest to the Nephilim in Diablo III,
1:07:57
that guy got they didn't trust him
1:07:59
because nobody trusts him because he's
1:08:01
Zol and cool. But if he just calls
1:08:03
himself the artificer, first off, people
1:08:06
looking for him will stop looking for
1:08:07
him. Second off, now he's they're not
1:08:11
gonna immediately assume he's wrong. And
1:08:13
he knows he's right. In his head,
1:08:16
everything he does is necessary. We have
1:08:19
to beat the primevalss. We have to stop
1:08:21
the angels cuz the angels are just as
1:08:23
dangerous to us as the demons.
1:08:24
>> Well, yeah, cuz the angels wanted to
1:08:26
wipe out all of the nominity to begin
1:08:28
with multiple times.
1:08:29
>> And we find out the thing we were
1:08:31
talking about, the thing we find out in
1:08:33
this expansion is that the reason that
1:08:36
the angels have not been coming to help
1:08:38
or defending us or anything is that most
1:08:41
of them want us to die. Mhm.
1:08:43
>> They don't want to kill us at this point
1:08:46
because it's never worked out well for
1:08:48
them, but they want us to die. They're
1:08:50
hoping we get wiped out.
1:08:52
>> Yeah. Which is why, and this comes back
1:08:54
with a lot of the side quests, too, why
1:08:57
they talk about heaven being sealed off
1:09:00
and them not interfering with sanctuary
1:09:02
anymore. Essentially, it's plausible
1:09:04
deniability, right? Like, it's it's it's
1:09:08
we didn't interfere. They chose their
1:09:11
own fate. And the the plausible
1:09:14
deniability part of it is that's what
1:09:15
they always wanted. They wanted us to
1:09:17
leave them the heck alone. So like there
1:09:20
there's a lot going on here. And again,
1:09:21
we we could probably get a whole other
1:09:24
episode about this about the the
1:09:26
Harajim.
1:09:27
>> Yeah. Just the Harajim stuff. Just the
1:09:29
pit and Zen Cool. Just likeander and
1:09:33
Filios. There's a ton we could do here.
1:09:36
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1:09:38
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