Time marches toward WoW patch 12.0.7 (and new transmog)

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>> Hello and welcome to the Blizzard Watch
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podcast. I'm intervening. This one's cuz
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Liz is in the middle of a delve and I
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want her to be able to finish it. I will
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be your temporary host until I give
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ownership back over to Liz. [laughter]
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I'm Joe Perez. That laugh there is Liz
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Harper, our editor-in-chief joining us
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as usual, who's currently fighting a
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tentacle squid monster next to a crystal
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inside of the like the Blood Elf Academy
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of Magic. Real life game, you decide.
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Joining us as always is Matt Rossi. How
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you doing, Matt?
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>> I'm currently trying to decide if my
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barbarian looks better with or without
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scar tattoos. Specifically, the tattoo
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as scars instead of a tattoo. Because I
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don't know if you guys know this, most
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of the scar options don't look that
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good, but one set of tattoos that
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actually has like it looks like just red
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stuff all over your face, but when you
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turn it to scars, you can see the
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individual modeling of the scars, and I
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cannot believe that this is my life and
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that I wouldn't change it. Like I'm
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seriously happy as a clam doing this.
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>> Well,
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>> There's something seriously wrong with
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me, people.
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>> He's definitely not a clam, but also
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joining us
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from the same frozen northish region as
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our barbarian friend here, Matt Rossi.
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>> It's Northia, yes. It's not frozen.
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>> I know it's unseasonably warm in a bunch
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of places. But Corey's joining us again,
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which I think moves him up from guest
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star to featuring
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as far as bylines go. So, this is the
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Blizzard Watch podcast featuring Corey.
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How you doing, Corey?
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>> I'm doing great. I feel like I just
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watched you play a blue Magic the
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Gathering card on Liz right there at the
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beginning.
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>> Yeah.
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>> not expect that.
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>> My my two favorite blue Magic the
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Gathering, three favorite Magic the
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Gathering cards are Time Stop, Dramatic
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Reversal, and Rewind. So, it's on brand.
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Uh but I figured, like I said, I'd give
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Liz a little bit of a reprieve cuz I
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know how hard it is to do stuff while
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also hosting,
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uh which is the reason why I don't let
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myself do anything when I'm hosting.
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>> [laughter]
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>> I For some For some reason, I like
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cannot talk and like move in the game at
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the same time. I
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>> I I
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completely understandable and I think
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most of our listeners at home are
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probably They understand as well.
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Sometimes splitting your attention just
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means you're going to die a lot. Uh but
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we're going to go ahead and get started
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with some news around the Blizzard
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universe.
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Uh and first up, we've got some World of
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Warcraft news starting with, well, a sad
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one
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uh and one that I think we all have
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opinions on and
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>> Mhm.
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>> uh So, Zam, the owner of Wowhead and
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some other properties
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that currently bought things like, you
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know, Thoughtbot and all all a bunch of
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other old staples of the Warcraft
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community,
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uh are laying off a whole ton of people
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from Wowhead. Uh and a lot of those
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people are people that you probably
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recognize from the community
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that you've that we've all grown up with
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as far as like our careers.
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Um several of these people are people
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that we hosted at the old
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Wow parties that we used to host at the
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Anabella and
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in in
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Irvine.
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Not Irvine, in
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Wow, why can't I
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>> Anaheim.
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>> Anaheim, thank you.
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Um but yeah, they A lot of those big
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names including Perculia is are just
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gone now.
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We don't know what the future holds.
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Some of them have found footing at other
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sites.
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I know AC Vains, I believe was pointed
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out by Corey and a few others,
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have been scooping up several of those
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folks to start writing their
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uh their articles and guides, which is
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fantastic. I'm glad that people are
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landing on their feet. But man, I I'm
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not going to say I didn't see this
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coming, but it still hurts and still
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stinks all the same. What do you guys
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think?
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>> Yeah.
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>> I remember when
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the site that is no more
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became the site that is no more.
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I got like 6 months of
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stuff work from Perk to tide me over
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until I I got a steady gig with us.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, this this is It's something we've
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experienced, so we know how bad it sucks
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and
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> I hope I hope everything is well with
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everybody involved. Except the people
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who did it, of course. Those people I
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don't
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I hope you eat a KD cheesecake.
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>> [laughter]
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>> What if it's good? It's got to be good
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if it's
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>> No. No. [laughter] No. No, Corey.
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>> No, Corey.
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>> No, Corey. Corey, this the the KD
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cheesecake and I highly recommend that
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you become a Patreon subscriber, so you
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can listen to the pre-show and
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understand what we're talking about
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here. Uh but the KD cheesecake is
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definitely a recipe written by AI, which
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is the downfall of human.
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>> I don't like KD. I will let you show all
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the copium you want for Heroes of the
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Storm. I will I will sit here and listen
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to you explain to me how it's coming
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back. I will support you all day on
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that. KD cheesecake is an abomination
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unto this world.
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Just come on.
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>> Getting back to the topic.
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>> This is way worse.
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>> Bringing it back to the topic at hand
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though.
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Um
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Yeah, I I I I think this has been
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something that a lot of people were
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expecting uh just because I know a lot
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of the community comments were noticing
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a a certain cadence in replacement of
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some of the articles that were being put
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up on their website. Um and I think we
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all kind of have an idea of where that's
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going.
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Um
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and I I do feel bad, but I do want to
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give a shout-out to all of the people
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that worked very hard on there uh that
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that made that site what it was, that
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brought it up from nothing. Uh Matt
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shared that good memory of Perk. Uh, I
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remember having uh many an interesting
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conversation with Perk. Perk did the
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same thing for me when we were between
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sites as well, giving us work me work
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and and letting me write some guides and
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and other stuff.
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Um,
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but generally just good people and I
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hope nothing but the best for the ones
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that are affected by this. Corey or Liz?
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>> It's really sad to see happen to a a
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site that has given so much to the wild
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community. Um, when I at in BlizzCon
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2019 I did get to briefly talk to Perk
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and
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and she was lovely and obviously it's a
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sad day that so much of the people that
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have gone and put so much of their work
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and their time and their effort into
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making World of Warcraft a better place
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have been unceremoniously let go from
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the from the website that they built
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basically themselves with the help of
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other people but like right their whole
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thing
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and now it's being run by corporate
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overlord overlords and that's sad.
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>> Which is all the more reason why
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grassroots efforts like this are more
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important to to help keep stuff
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independent of massive corporate
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overlords. Liz?
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>> Uh, yeah and I think it's increasingly
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uncommon to see small sites getting by
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on the web and
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>> It it's
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a trial, right? Small sites struggle.
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>> yeah, but also what we what the
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community used to do. You had all of
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these small blogs.
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Uh, you had even Wowhead did a lot of
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class guides and one of the reasons we
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don't do class guides on Blizzard Watch
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anymore is that they don't get a lot of
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readers. Even when people say, oh, I
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loved your class guides, they get hardly
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any readers and they take a lot of work
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to write and that's because larger sites
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than us, sites like Icy Veins, sites
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like Wowhead publish, you know, these
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big class guides and we can't keep up
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with that and I feel like the entire an
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entire like a big vibrant blogging
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community that used to exist in wow like
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a decade ago has
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fallen apart and it's turned into just a
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few sites and also things like discords,
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things like social media but uh you
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know, people will discuss things in
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those forums instead of visiting a web a
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website or you know, share a tweet they
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saw and never visit the website. So, it
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can be very difficult for a website of
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any type or size to survive. So, I'm
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not surprised that uh Wowhead has been
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having trouble. They also a few weeks
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before this, they laid off the uh person
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who was running
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their Hearthstone site which I'm totally
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forgetting its name.
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And that was really that was that was a
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one-man that was a Hearthstone Top
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Decks. That was a one-man operation and
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they they have not posted any news on
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the site since uh Stone Keep left. That
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was early this month. So, it's like now
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it's a database of Hearthstone decks and
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cards but there's none of that
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commentary that there used to be on the
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site. I do want to say that on Wowhead,
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we are still seeing new news articles
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being published and it's just is that
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going to die down too? We don't know. Is
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it going to go like uh Hearthstone Top
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Decks and be just a database? I don't
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know.
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>> My my concern with it is that we're
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going to start seeing it do
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what a lot of the other websites that
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are that are sort of like not Wowhead
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but in that same sort of like
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space for whatever niche community
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they're in and just become AI
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aggregators that just scrape the rest of
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the internet and then make an article.
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I'm not saying that is going to happen.
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I have no inside knowledge or anything
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like that. It's just my fear
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um because we're we're getting one step
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closer to the dead internet theory,
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unfortunately, where it's just going to
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be AI bots scraping from other AI bots
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at some point. So, it is becoming
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increasingly important for all of us to
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maybe support human endeavors as much as
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we can.
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>> And yeah, it's it's just it's hard. It's
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it's hard to be out on the internet
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doing things
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because it's a different internet. So, I
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think it's hard for every website, even
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the big guys, which Wildhead was a big
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presence in the Wild community. It still
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is. It's still going to be. But even a
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site like that is struggling. So, that's
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That's that's a real shame. They have
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been with us for a really long time
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providing great content and resources
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for the community.
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>> Yeah. I think though we can we all
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support them, but I think we need to
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move on.
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Again, much love to our Wildhead friends
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that are affected by this.
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Speaking of things that are not great,
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gear repair costs are insane right now.
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They make no sense. They make absolutely
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no sense whatsoever.
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And what do I mean by that? Well, we
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know that we have different tracks of
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gears. We have your your adventure, your
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veteran, your champion, your your hero,
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and your myth track pieces, right? A two
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out of six myth track piece costs 67%
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more than a six out of six hero track
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piece, even though they're the exact
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same item level. That is bonkers to me,
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but also makes so much more sense that
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as I'm upgrading my gear, my coffers are
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dwindling so much quicker.
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Wow, I did not I like I saw this and it
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was just like, "Okay, that makes a whole
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lot of sense. Now make it stop."
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>> Um
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>> This has got to be their soft
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like a soft
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drain on the economy.
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Like a a gold sink kind of thing.
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>> They they got they got holes in the
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core. They don't need a soft drain on
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the economy. They have a hard drain on
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the economy. All my money goes in the
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core. YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY MORE
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OUT OF my pockets for me playing the
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game. Sorry.
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>> [laughter]
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>> But I I just from my just from my per-
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>> Go on, Matt.
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>> No, I I just think Joe is a little
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upset. I understand it, but it's one of
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those things where
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I I'm so used to them just taking my
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money constantly with transmog new
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transmog system where I had to spend
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like a million gold just to get caught
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up that I I've lost the ability to feel
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anything but shame.
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>> I'm just going to turn into Randal. Like
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I'm literally just going to sit in like
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a like a hub and repair stuff and have
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people like give me like the money. I'll
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undercut Blizzard by like 50%. I'll
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figure out a way to do it. Like I don't
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get like this is ridiculous.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Yeah, and it's it's not just that it's
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expensive, though I'm certainly
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anecdotally I certainly feel like I'm
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spending a lot more on repairs than I
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did last expansion. But it the formula
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here does not make sense. Having equal
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eye level pieces and one of them cost
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way more than the other doesn't make
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sense. It's just the the formula here is
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off. And huh,
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it's it's really frustrating. It's
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really frustrating cuz obviously repair
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costs have always been a gold sink.
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They've been just kind of a constant
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cost of the game to
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>> Yeah.
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>> It it makes me wonder if it's based off
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of the maximum potential eye level of
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the piece as opposed to the current eye
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level.
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>> As opposed to hmm, that's an interesting
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thought.
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>> Cuz like
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>> Something like that?
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>> Yeah, cuz like a four and I think it may
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have even gotten more skewed recently,
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too.
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Um because of the void cores that you
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can upgrade gear with that may have also
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exacerbated it. Because I feel like
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outside of a couple weeks ago cuz I'm
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seeing a lot of people complain about
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this over the last couple weeks.
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And it was what? Two weeks ago that we
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got the ability to upgrade our max level
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gear.
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>> Yeah, there about.
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>> So I'm wondering if this also threw that
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off as well cuz I'm wondering if the
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base calculation is off the maximum
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potential eye level for the item and
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that's where the repair cost comes from.
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>> Mhm, I can see it.
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>> Testable, I mean
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if you've got a piece of gear you could
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repair it go break it again, come back
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with it leveled up and repair it again,
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see if it changes. Like if it's the same
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at every level, you know.
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>> it's not it's not.
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>> So it actually goes up as you level it
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as well?
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>> [clears throat]
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>> Yes.
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>> Might be a multiplicative bug then.
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>> It may not be a bug, it may just be
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something that was overlooked.
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So I mean
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>> Yeah, that that feels more likely.
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>> Yeah, I'm hoping that they'll maybe take
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a look at it in the future and and maybe
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people complaining about it will get
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some attention cuz
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like you said, I understand that we're
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used to them taking our gold but man uh
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I wanted to be fair.
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Like
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>> Yeah.
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>> I work I work hard for I work hard for
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my my fake internet money, thank you
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very much.
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>> [laughter]
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>> I just think if they're going to like
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everything costs so much now
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in World of Warcraft specifically
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that at this point they should just
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we we should be seeing everything that
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gives you gold giving you way more gold.
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Like now is not the time to be stingy
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with your fake currency.
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If if the if the transmog costs are
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going to be what they are, if the
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housing costs to learn and build items
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are going to be what they are, if these
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repair costs are going to stay what they
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are let's just see the return of
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thousand gold world quests or five
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thousand gold or ten thousand gold.
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>> I mean I was going to say I don't even
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think like five thousand gold scratches
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a dent anymore at this point with like
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half of the the way these things cost.
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Like I spend five thousand gold just
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blinking at this point in the current
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game. Which I mean we always talk about
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this. We always talk about that there's
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a little level of
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uh inflation in game when it comes to
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like each expansion and what happens.
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And that's always been a struggle. The
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economy's always been a struggle with a
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game like this. And again, I will This
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is something I will say till the day I
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die. The only MMO that has ever existed
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that had a tenable economy was Eve
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Online and it's literally because they
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hired a real-world economist to fix
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their stuff
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like [laughter] in real time. That was
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his job or is his job 8 hours a day or
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more. Right? Like everything else is
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like players will skew it. It'll get
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weird.
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Um player housing stuff like the cost
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baked into a lot of that stuff.
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Uh again, this is a new new feature, new
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expansion, new new things.
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Every time they do that, they're always
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disproportionately expensive as they're
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fine-tuning like how much resources you
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need to invest in stuff like that, too,
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right? Like I think we've talked before
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about the insane lumber cost of some of
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these housing decor items, right? Um
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those are going to to carry a premium
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because people are literally just going
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around farming, you know, spending their
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time farming lumber in in some cases to
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do this. There's going to be a higher
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cost associated with it for their time.
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That makes sense.
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Maybe they need to look at how much
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lumber they're requiring per housing
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item. Uh or or what materials for the
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different profession housing items,
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uh
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what they're using for it because again,
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that whole uh you know, economy of of
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things. Like I don't know. It's it's a
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weird place to be in. I think they need
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to they need to take a pass. Like I
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would be okay if we got a patch that was
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no new content except it was economy
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balancing.
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>> Mhm.
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>> So, I don't know if you guys have
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anything else to add to that.
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>> Well, if blinking costs you 5,000 gold
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per blink, then um maybe you should
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switch to Demon Hunter.
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>> No, I'm good.
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>> [laughter]
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>> I fall enough ledges as it is, Cory.
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Thank you.
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Uh next up, we did find some more
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information about the Sporefall raid
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coming in 12.0.7,
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uh which is going to be the first one
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that's going to have the flex mythic. Um
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it's going to be for players of groups
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15 to 25. Uh it will I think it's what
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it's a fungal giant Rotmire that you get
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to you have to go punch and and beat in
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the face
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um in Herendar and uh yeah. We also know
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that it's going to have a minimum eye
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level now for raid finder of 240, which
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is new information from what we had
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before.
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Uh and it's going to have a lot of cool
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stuff including
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I like the Spore Glider mount quite a
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bit. I don't know if you guys got a
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chance to take a look at it.
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>> There's so many tentacles.
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>> I mean, it literally looks like an '80s
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track jacket threw up on a mountain and
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I'm here for it.
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>> A Canadian goes to Lovecraft country.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Whoa, what many tentacles?
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Oh, boy, that's a lot of tentacles,
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don't you know?
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>> [laughter]
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>> Uh
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>> Oh, you betcha.
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>> We also did find out about Spore-Fused
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gear, uh which is items infused with
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Rotmire's fungal power uh with an item
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level ranging from 259 on raid finder
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all the way up to 298 on mythic
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difficulty. Um the armor pieces pieces
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uh they have for two armor piece pieces
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for each armor type. Uh the neck that
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drops from it, the Spore Heart, uh which
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is going to be a healing item that I
18:49
think a lot of people are going to be
18:50
going gaga for. Uh
18:53
remember when we add things to the game
18:55
that are very specific for a class and
18:56
do something unique? Well, here you go.
18:58
Uh your healing has a chance to spawn a
19:00
protective toadstool that absorbs damage
19:02
for 12 seconds. If destroyed, they burst
19:04
dealing nature damage to nearby enemies.
19:06
Boy, howdy, every healer is going to
19:08
want that, I'm sure.
19:09
Um you have the Spore Lords, Spore Lords
19:12
Mycelini Mycelial
19:14
Insignia. Wow, that's a hard word to
19:17
say. Uh, your spells and abilities have
19:18
a chance to nourish the mycelium,
19:20
granting a random secondary stat in
19:22
nature for 12 seconds. And then a ring,
19:25
the Spore Caller's Blooming Loop, which
19:27
deals nature damage and has a chance to
19:28
inflict rot bloom dealing nature damage
19:30
over time. Uh, if the enemy is already
19:32
afflicted by the rot bloom, the effect
19:34
is consumed and deals 120% of its
19:36
remaining damage. I don't know how these
19:39
numbers are going to uh, work out in the
19:41
long run, but that's pretty cool. Uh,
19:45
>> The ring sounds like if you like damage,
19:46
you do extra damage and therefore you're
19:48
doing more damage, so you like damage.
19:49
>> Yeah. Uh, the Madcap Madcap Redcap toy
19:55
is a little fungal buddy with a table or
19:57
a a thing uh, where he looks
19:59
delightfully murderous and fluorescent
20:01
magenta. Uh, I like him. He is
20:03
fluorescent magenta. He is a
20:04
complimentary color to the mount and
20:06
therefore I must own him.
20:09
Uh, and then there's going to be uh, the
20:11
Luminous Rot Shroom housing decor item,
20:14
uh, which I think is going to be a light
20:16
uh, fixture,
20:18
uh, which is
20:20
kind of weird and kind of beautiful all
20:22
at the same time.
20:23
>> It's going to fit a certain vibe. I
20:24
mean, and I also we're getting in patch
20:27
12.0.7, we're going to get outdoor
20:29
housing lighting.
20:31
>> Yes.
20:32
>> So, ideally you can place this outside
20:35
and have a little glowing thing.
20:37
>> I call exactly 1 hour after that goes
20:40
live before people crash the housing
20:41
server.
20:42
>> I mean, that's that's what happens
20:45
initially.
20:46
>> That's what you get for trusting
20:47
>> That's why we can't have nice things in
20:50
housing because during the alpha,
20:52
Taliesin crashed the servers by making a
20:55
fire garden and here we are all these
20:58
months later.
20:59
>> My counterpoint is Taliesin did exactly
21:01
the job that they were supposed to do by
21:03
stress testing the game in alpha.
21:05
>> It's
21:06
It's true. I also wish I could have
21:10
outdoor lighting.
21:13
>> I knew that I know I I'm looking forward
21:15
to being able to put a fire pit in my
21:16
front yard. That'll be really nice.
21:19
>> my treehouse just really needs some
21:22
lights outside. That's going to set it
21:24
off and hopefully not set the tree on
21:26
fire.
21:27
>> Fair. I do think you buried the lead a
21:29
little bit on the mount though Joe
21:31
because it's not it's not like a mythic
21:32
kill get this mount. It's a you earn
21:34
this mount over four weeks of killing
21:36
the boss. So everyone can get this cool
21:39
authentically 80s inspired neon fever
21:42
dream of a mount.
21:43
>> single boss raid or is it multiple like
21:46
single boss single boss?
21:48
>> Okay, so it's more like Magtheridon than
21:50
Gruul. Like there's no council to get
21:53
through first.
21:54
>> No yet.
21:55
Uh very much like the other Herodnar
21:57
raid which is you know you go in kill
21:59
some trash and then beat up a boss.
22:01
>> Okay, so this isn't intended to be like
22:03
a full on raid. It's No. It's an extra
22:06
bit of nice stuff to eat to get until we
22:08
get the next tier.
22:09
>> Kind of yeah.
22:10
>> Okay, no that's fine. I mean I that's
22:12
fine either way. I just wanted to make
22:13
sure I understood what was going on.
22:16
>> Fair. I think that is really it for the
22:19
Sparfall raid in patch 12.0.7
22:22
which allows us to move on to the next
22:23
one which is Dragonflight timewalking is
22:27
coming in patch 12.0.7
22:29
and it's got some new neat rewards. Who
22:32
would like to talk about this because
22:33
I've talked a whole lot.
22:35
>> [laughter]
22:36
>> I I can talk about this one. Yes, so
22:40
timewalking has some interesting rewards
22:42
that are kind of and kind of not related
22:45
to Dragonflight.
22:47
The first one I think this one's really
22:49
cool but it is the most unrelated to
22:52
Dragonflight which is a toy that sets
22:57
the sky on fire.
22:59
It's a it's a very much a cataclysm
23:02
vibe, and if you played during
23:03
Cataclysm, you know how early on when
23:07
Deathwing attacked, you had kind of this
23:09
fiery sky thing going on. It is exactly
23:12
like that. And this is the Ashen Horn of
23:16
the Fallen Keeper, which again is going
23:18
to come from time walking, and you know,
23:20
it's
23:21
just similar to like the inky black
23:24
potion in that it changes the sky and
23:26
the lighting of the whole area. I think
23:29
that is a really cool toy. I don't know
23:32
if I want the sky to be on fire all the
23:35
time. What do you What do the rest of
23:37
you think? Do you
23:39
Are you going to play with the sky on
23:41
fire?
23:42
>> I mean, I might be fine. I I wasn't
23:44
aware it wasn't constantly on fire, but
23:46
that just makes me the actual sky. I'm
23:48
not sure.
23:49
>> [laughter]
23:50
>> I mean, I do have an alt named Adele, so
23:53
maybe for screenshots.
23:55
>> [laughter]
23:56
>> I I mean, yeah, at least for
23:58
screenshots. You could do some cool
24:00
screenshots.
24:01
Um so, other than that, there are some
24:03
new dragon riding mount customizations
24:06
for the Dragonflight mounts that you
24:09
could, you know, put the saddles on and
24:11
armor options. There going to be some
24:13
new options for your dragon riding
24:15
mounts, which I think is cool.
24:17
Dragonflight did have a lot of options
24:19
there, but also
24:22
that some of them took a lot of work to
24:24
get or you had to do really specific
24:26
things and content that you may or may
24:28
not have tackled during Dragonflight.
24:30
So, these are some cool new cosmetics if
24:33
you happen to be riding one of these
24:35
mounts or you want to ride one of these
24:37
mounts. So, that's a little a little
24:40
bonus time walking thing.
24:42
And also, there's some new transmog.
24:46
You know how we feel about transmog here
24:48
at Blizzard Watch.
24:49
Uh which is Dracthyr shoulder pieces
24:52
that were not uh used in the game. So,
24:55
dragony style shoulder armor, which is,
24:58
at least if I'm understanding the data
25:00
mining correctly, is just um some
25:04
ensemble pieces that anyone can wear,
25:07
not new options for Dracthyr in their
25:11
character customization. Which, it's
25:13
like on one hand, I like new transmog.
25:16
New transmog is great. On the other
25:18
hand, I also wish Dracthyr had more
25:20
built-in character customization options
25:23
because
25:25
I got to say their armor is kind of
25:26
hideous.
25:28
But uh that's just me. I I love being
25:32
able to be a dragon and fly, but I can't
25:35
do it because their armor is too
25:36
hideous. I just can't. I tried. I can't.
25:39
I But it's uh yes.
25:40
>> don't want to play a Dracthyr because
25:42
they still only have the one skinny
25:44
model, and I'm just nope.
25:46
They have those giant Dracthyr guards
25:48
including the one that you make friends
25:50
with and then immediately gets murdered
25:51
in Dragonflight.
25:52
>> Ah yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:53
>> I wanted to play as one of those real
25:55
bad because she was just so cute. Not
25:58
physically. Physically, she was fine,
25:59
but you know, as a buddy, she it was
26:01
like
26:02
when she died, I was like, "What? Come
26:05
on. Let me have one nice thing. One
26:08
friendly dragon."
26:09
>> No. No. No nice things. No nice things
26:13
for us.
26:14
>> [sighs]
26:15
>> Um but but yeah, so some cool new unique
26:19
rewards coming with Dragonflight time
26:21
walking in patch 12.0.7.
26:25
Which uh you're probably looking at that
26:27
sometime in June. Blizzard hasn't
26:29
announced an official date, but probably
26:31
June sometime.
26:33
Uh
26:34
usually they give you a date a couple of
26:36
weeks in advance, so we'll we'll see. We
26:38
might hear an announcement on that one
26:40
soon. TM.
26:41
>> Soon.
26:45
>> As as is only appropriate. Should I keep
26:48
going, Joe?
26:49
>> Yeah. I think you're no longer in a
26:51
delve, so I'll pass it back to you. See,
26:53
I gave you a present.
26:55
>> Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate
26:57
that. So, next up, Diablo 4, the game I
27:02
think a lot of us are playing
27:04
obsessively. It's
27:06
>> So many hours.
27:06
>> so difficult to put down. It is so hard
27:09
to put down.
27:10
>> And so,
27:12
love Diablo 4 right now and the new
27:14
expansion, but also, if you don't want
27:18
all of your
27:19
then maybe avoid it because it's very
27:22
dangerous. Diablo has always been a very
27:24
dangerous game that you can lose many
27:27
hours to. And unfortunately, Lord of
27:30
Hatred is great. So, there upside and
27:33
downside there. Um
27:35
But, the game is celebrating its
27:39
anniversary soon. And there's there's
27:43
upsides and downsides to this as well.
27:45
They've got a big anniversary event
27:46
coming, but it only lasts a week. So, if
27:49
you want if you want these things in the
27:52
anniversary event, you need to get on
27:54
there some between June 2nd and June
27:58
9th. So,
28:00
one of my complaints about Diablo events
28:02
is always that they're so short. You
28:03
have such a limited time to come and
28:05
enjoy them.
28:07
And that's the same here. That's the
28:09
same here.
28:11
During this week, there will be Mother's
28:14
Blessing for the entire week, which is
28:16
increased experience and gold drops.
28:20
And
28:21
yeah, experience and gold drops on both
28:24
seasonal and eternal realms,
28:26
but there's also the March of the
28:28
goblins with more treasure goblins,
28:32
which is our favorite thing ever.
28:35
>> Treasure goblin?
28:36
That's a treasure goblin. Treasure
28:38
goblins.
28:38
>> Treasure goblin, kill the treasure
28:40
goblin. Honestly, my favorite thing in
28:42
Diablo 4 is doing the infernal hordes
28:45
and you can get a chaos wave, and just
28:48
like
28:49
30 goblins spawn at the same time
28:51
sometimes.
28:52
>> Man, I've been going back and forth like
28:54
talking about our builds to each other
28:56
in Diablo 4, and I have reached a
28:58
critical mass with my druid summoner
29:00
build where I have killed so many
29:03
treasure goblins that I didn't even know
29:05
they were there because they just
29:07
liquefied as every wolf, werewolf, and
29:10
bear descended upon them from three
29:12
screens away.
29:14
Like I just go to like, "Oh, there must
29:16
have been a treasure goblin here.
29:17
Sweet."
29:18
>> So, how many how many minions does your
29:21
summoner druid have?
29:22
>> Enough that it lags Diablo 4 at this
29:25
point.
29:26
>> [laughter]
29:26
>> So, I have I have these I have the the
29:29
the bestiary set charms plus a bunch of
29:31
the
29:32
uh legendary unique items that give you
29:33
additional summons. So, uh base I have
29:37
four bears, five werewolves,
29:40
and three poison
29:43
um creepers.
29:44
And then
29:45
>> Three poison creepers.
29:46
>> And then when it procs, I get like 30
29:49
spectral wolves, uh and then
29:52
occasionally get an extra bear and an
29:53
extra werewolf if the game is feeling
29:55
generous.
29:57
Um and I have like all the stuff that
29:58
like increases the damage they do
30:00
uh by a percentage, which I think is
30:02
like
30:03
some some obscene amount almost
30:05
approaching 100%. Um it it just I
30:08
literally just walk through the game at
30:11
this point.
30:12
I'm bumping myself up my torment levels
30:14
to see where I can actually feel alive
30:16
again, uh because I have lost all fear
30:18
of everything at like torment five and
30:21
below.
30:21
>> Mhm.
30:22
Uh yeah, I'm I'm playing the
30:24
necromancer, which is my my usual thing,
30:27
because uh there's still not an Amazon,
30:29
so I got to be a necromancer. Uh I have
30:32
uh
30:33
24 minions all the time. That's the 12
30:38
skeletons,
30:39
uh nine mages, and three golems. plus I
30:43
have a rune word that summons spectral
30:47
wolves based on how based on how many
30:49
minions I have up. Yes. So, I also have
30:52
like a dozen spectral wolves at any
30:54
given time. It's Yeah, frankly, at this
30:58
point just seeing the screen is a little
31:00
problematic. I am up to torment nine,
31:03
but I still like can't
31:05
kill Lilith on torment eight to to
31:09
progress the season journey. Yeah, I
31:12
I've tried, but it's so bad. It's bad.
31:15
>> I've gotten to the point where I can
31:16
reliably get past Lilith's first phase
31:19
without getting crushed by spikes, but
31:21
at some point in phase two, she just
31:24
starts ramping up the damage to an
31:26
unbearable degree.
31:28
I'm currently working on the
31:30
There's a build
31:32
cuz apparently I'm just joining in on
31:33
you people and your peer pressure
31:35
towards getting multiple summons.
31:36
There's a build that just summons almost
31:38
endless waves of ancients. Like just
31:41
constantly more ancients keep showing up
31:43
till you've got like 13 ancients. And I
31:46
figure with I've already got this the
31:48
spectral wolves. I think I top out at
31:51
like six at a time is the most I can
31:53
ever get.
31:54
But I with the six spectral wolves and
31:57
then like, you know, a baker's dozen of
31:59
ancients, I want to see if I can just
32:00
zerg her down in phase two because
32:02
otherwise it's just you can't melee on
32:05
that fight is really not a the best idea
32:08
I ever had cuz you can't get in there to
32:10
hit her. It's just it's constantly look
32:12
look out for some new thing that's just
32:14
going to insta give you.
32:15
>> And yeah, everything's everything's an
32:17
insta kill.
32:18
Um
32:18
>> In terms of the like
32:20
I don't know if this is written down if
32:22
you guys noticed this, but they were
32:23
doing that challenge thing where it's
32:25
like, you know, get this many paragon
32:27
points. Everybody has to get as many as
32:29
they can and if we get two two million
32:31
66666
32:33
just a bunch of sixes.
32:34
We will, you know, you know, will be
32:37
won, and
32:38
that it was won uh, today when I logged
32:40
in.
32:41
And, uh, the the prize is basically
32:44
Mephisto's skull that you can wear on
32:46
top of your head. And on the one hand,
32:49
it's it's free. Like, they just give it
32:51
to you. You don't have to buy it, which
32:53
is, you know, every time that the the
32:54
the Diablo store does that, I get
32:56
suspicious.
32:58
Cuz that's usually
32:58
>> [laughter]
32:59
>> uncompletely un unversible and it's
33:01
reeking of the money.
33:03
But, no, it's free, and I I tried it
33:06
out, and I think it would look really
33:08
good for a warlock.
33:10
Uh,
33:11
not that I think I get confused with
33:13
warlocks in in Diablo because I just
33:14
spent the last four games killing
33:17
demons, and now you you bring them
33:18
around, and it's like I
33:20
every time I see one, my first response
33:22
is, "Kill it."
33:23
So, yeah.
33:24
>> They have some They have such amazing
33:25
skill art, too. It's I love seeing the
33:28
giant hands coming out and the saw
33:29
blades and blah blah. And all the the
33:31
cool demons they're summoning, and like
33:33
I'm working my way to the lunatic build
33:35
for my warlock, which will eventually
33:36
turn me into one of the fallen lunatics
33:39
while I'm making lots of little fallen
33:40
lunatics. So, yeah, just
33:43
summoning lots of lots of demons.
33:46
>> But, regardless, the the head is now
33:48
available for anybody who's playing
33:49
Diablo 4. It's free, and you can
33:52
basically have Mephisto's hat. I mean,
33:54
you'll be wearing his head as a hat.
33:56
Which, I mean, quite frankly, after
33:58
trying to do that fight,
34:00
I I think he deserves worse.
34:02
>> [snorts]
34:02
>> Like, if there's a way I could just make
34:03
him wear his own head as a hat, I might
34:06
try it. Uh, but yeah, I just thought I
34:08
should mention that because it it's a
34:09
fun transmog thing.
34:10
>> Uh, and the other thing that's coming
34:12
during the anniversary event is, uh,
34:15
every day,
34:16
as Matt was just saying, there will be
34:18
new free gifts in the in-game shop,
34:21
which is, of course, a roundabout way
34:23
uh, roundabout way of getting you to
34:24
open the in-game shop, where you may
34:26
possibly buy something.
34:28
>> You'll maybe tempted.
34:30
>> temptation. Stay
34:32
strong from temptation.
34:35
but there are some things that are going
34:36
to be free in addition to Mephisto's
34:38
head. Uh so, day one, there's the Blood
34:43
Raven's Talon one-handed sword. Day two,
34:45
King Knight's Last Stand, a shield. Day
34:49
three, the Nagani Wonder, a dagger. Day
34:53
four, the Overlord's Odium Axe. And day
34:56
five, Flame Finger's Claws,
35:00
a glaive.
35:02
So,
35:03
one thing I wonder there, is there
35:04
actually something that every class can
35:06
use in here? I'm not certain.
35:08
>> I think between all of them, they've got
35:10
at least one thing for every class.
35:12
>> They've been doing pretty good about
35:13
that for a lot of the stuff. For like
35:14
most of them, at least one Every class
35:18
has at least one reward.
35:19
>> Usually everyone can use one-handed
35:21
swords. And if they can't,
35:23
a two-handed axe will cover the rest.
35:25
>> Warlocks and Necromancers can use
35:26
two-handed swords and cutting weapons.
35:29
So,
35:29
>> Yeah.
35:30
>> all that stuff. I got to tell you, the
35:32
the shop has this weird thing it did
35:35
where it released a set called the
35:37
Righteous for Barbarians.
35:39
And it think [clears throat] it was a
35:40
Paladin set.
35:41
Like, if you saw it on a World of
35:43
Warcraft Paladin, you would be like, "Oh
35:44
yeah, that makes sense." It's weird, and
35:47
I keep looking at it going,
35:48
>> Yeah.
35:49
>> I did this just so I can wear it in
35:51
front of other Paladins and act like I'm
35:52
one of them.
35:53
>> There's
35:53
>> Hello, friends. I'm a Paladin, too.
35:57
But that's how they get you. That's how
35:58
they get you.
35:59
>> Yeah, it is. It is. There's a
36:01
Necromancer set that every time I am
36:03
forced to open the store, I look at, and
36:05
I'm like,
36:08
um that is it's it's it's a Church of
36:12
Light look. It's a complete on Church of
36:16
Light ensemble for your Necromancer,
36:20
like you're
36:21
stealthily being a cleric, but it's so
36:25
cool. I love it, and also I don't want
36:27
to spend money on it. And also, it has
36:29
like these Inarius shoulder pieces. And
36:31
I'm like, well, if it wasn't for those,
36:33
maybe. Maybe.
36:36
And it but but here we are. It's all
36:39
It's all terribly tempting, and there
36:41
will be more freebies coming. So,
36:44
uh again, the anniversary event is from
36:47
June 2nd to June 9th. And if you want to
36:49
take advantage of any of it, that's it.
36:52
You got a week. You got a week, but at
36:54
least we have a little advanced warning
36:55
this time. We don't always have advanced
36:57
warning on Diablo events. Um
37:00
So, yeah, this game has been with us for
37:02
3 years, and it's
37:04
it's in a good place right now. It's in
37:06
a good place. Uh but also, being in a
37:08
good place is very dangerous.
37:10
>> I mean, I've seen people on the internet
37:12
that are like infamous for hating
37:14
everything that have been talking about
37:16
Diablo 4 is good now. I I lost my like I
37:19
like my jaw hit the floor at one point.
37:21
This guy
37:23
Uh this guy thinks it's good now. What
37:24
happened? Did they Did they get Adam's
37:27
wife or something? Like, no, he's just
37:28
playing it. He likes it. He's the one
37:30
that I stole the idea for the infinite
37:33
ancient spell because I was like, you
37:34
can do that. You can make him all the
37:36
way to me, and yeah, do that. I want to
37:38
get me a bunch of ancients, and I'm just
37:39
going to kill her cuz she won't freaking
37:40
die. Uh
37:43
>> Uh I I I can't promise you that's going
37:45
to work cuz I'm I'm going in there with
37:47
a lot of minions, and I just can't get
37:49
her down to fast enough.
37:51
Uh and also, when you when you go in
37:53
there with like 30 minions, it gets
37:55
difficult to see the floor.
37:58
>> Or her.
37:59
>> You have to dodge. You have to dodge
38:01
things in there.
38:02
>> Yeah. Where is she coming down? Where is
38:04
the Yeah, yes, yeah. Mhm.
38:06
>> Yeah. Yeah, if you don't dodge
38:07
everything, you are dead. You are a
38:09
corpse as well, and you will not become
38:11
a friendly skeleton. You're just dead.
38:14
So, uh the other thing, season 13 is
38:17
actually going to end pretty soon. It's
38:19
only going to last through the end of
38:20
June. Uh
38:21
and there is a Sanctuary Sit-Down coming
38:24
to talk about it, but it's going to be
38:27
between the time we're recording the pod
38:29
about that next week. But, look forward
38:31
to some news about what's going to be
38:33
happening in season 14 and also anything
38:36
you want to do in Diablo 4 season 13.
38:39
You got You got a few weeks left to do
38:41
it in, which is
38:43
There is There is a lot. There is a lot
38:46
in the season journey.
38:48
>> Mhm. I mean, and some of it's stuff like
38:50
get a warlock or paladin to various
38:52
levels,
38:54
which
38:54
>> Yeah.
38:55
>> I mean, it's not exactly the onus, but
38:57
you know, it is there.
38:59
>> But, those are all just like little side
39:00
basic things. They're not going to give
39:01
you any real rewards.
39:03
>> Not all of that is totally necessary.
39:06
The one thing I really want to do is
39:08
finish the whole battle pass, which man,
39:11
it's it's feeling like a bit of a grind
39:13
at this point, but I'm I'm getting
39:15
closer. I'm getting closer.
39:18
I So, that's that's Diablo for you. I
39:21
But, we also have a bunch of news about
39:23
other games coming up. Like, Destiny 2,
39:28
which is getting its final content patch
39:31
on June 9th.
39:34
And that's going to be it. That's going
39:36
to be all for Destiny 2. So, all of you
39:38
Destiny 2 fans out there, I know we have
39:42
one or two of you on staff. That's That
39:45
is the end. That is all you are getting.
39:48
Uh Joe, would you like to talk about
39:50
this one?
39:51
>> No.
39:52
>> [laughter]
39:53
>> It's sad. It's
39:54
>> Or would anyone like to talk about this
39:55
one? Who's Who's out there playing
39:57
Destiny?
39:58
>> I I played Destiny when it came when it
40:00
launched. I bought it with wild gold,
40:02
and then I bought my friend a copy of it
40:03
with wild gold, and then I bought the
40:04
expansion with wild gold
40:05
>> [laughter]
40:06
>> because they launched in the Battle.net
40:07
launcher, and that was fantastic. Um
40:10
I've played a lot of Destiny 1. I picked
40:12
it up in the Taken King expansion and
40:14
just played the living crap out of it.
40:17
Because it was a really satisfying game,
40:19
it felt really good, and it was
40:22
just the right kind of game where I
40:23
could turn my brain off and go do like
40:25
bounties and world quests and stuff
40:27
while listening to a podcast, and it was
40:29
perfect, and I loved it. And Destiny 2,
40:32
also very fun. But at a certain point, I
40:34
just kind of stopped playing it. Maybe I
40:36
didn't have the right friends, and the
40:38
last time I went back to it, it had been
40:40
so overrun with end game activities,
40:43
much like a fresh level
40:45
max level character in World of
40:46
Warcraft. You hit that max level, and
40:48
all of a sudden, if it's the last patch,
40:50
there's nine different people saying,
40:52
"Hey, Champion, we need to come help us
40:54
with this thing."
40:55
Uh Destiny had that problem, too.
40:57
>> Overwhelming.
40:57
>> Overwhelming amount of stuff to do at
41:00
max level. And um yeah, uh
41:03
but it doesn't deserve to be sunset.
41:05
Like it
41:06
Uh I guess no king lasts forever, but it
41:10
for them to for a game that's for a game
41:12
in a game series that has been going
41:13
since
41:14
a decade, give or take,
41:17
to be just ending now because Bungie
41:20
wants to focus on Marathon, maybe, is
41:22
sad.
41:24
And the last patch brings a bunch of
41:26
Like you're you're going to be able to
41:27
do a lot of the different activities.
41:30
Uh
41:31
They're adding in the feature that I
41:32
missed the most going from Destiny 1 to
41:34
Destiny 2, which is the Sparrow Racing
41:36
League, which is where you slap a little
41:37
racing game into your Destiny, which is
41:40
fantastic. It was fantastic, and I I was
41:42
always bummed that Destiny 2 didn't have
41:44
that little racing game in it, and I
41:45
didn't understand why. Um yeah, uh
41:48
they're they're going to give characters
41:50
epilogues. They're going to
41:52
refresh the the loot pools, bringing
41:54
everything up to the current like loot
41:56
standards.
41:57
>> Mhm.
41:58
>> And they're going to return some of the
42:00
past expansion stuff.
42:02
>> So, that's the last content update is
42:05
coming in June, but we don't know that
42:08
the servers are going to be shut down
42:09
immediately. So, you should be able to
42:12
keep playing the game
42:14
Uh
42:15
just without any future development.
42:18
Right now, the Destiny 1 servers are
42:21
still running. So, we could have Destiny
42:23
2 for a while, but we don't know. We do
42:26
not know any more about that, but one
42:29
thing that does come alongside a game
42:32
shut They're fully focusing on Marathon.
42:36
And that's that's just a shame. I mean,
42:39
it's Okay, Marathon, but it's
42:42
you know, going from kind of multiple
42:44
franchises and now they're focusing on
42:47
Marathon and
42:49
laying off employees. That's
42:52
That's That's all I got to say.
42:54
>> Yeah, I was going to say mean things
42:55
about Marathon, but I mean, I don't know
42:58
enough about it to really do that. I
42:59
will say that I feel like this is a
43:02
something we've seen with other
43:04
companies
43:05
uh
43:06
and it's the thing I dislike about
43:08
always-on games.
43:10
And one of the reasons that, you know,
43:12
for all the people's
43:14
I don't like stuff about Blizzard, I
43:16
will I am still happy that I can play
43:18
Diablo 3 you know, even with it being
43:21
always-on, because they've still kept
43:23
the servers going.
43:24
Uh
43:25
I feel really bad for people who
43:28
played Destiny who are worrying about
43:30
this. I hope that they don't ever have
43:32
to like I don't hope they don't lose
43:34
their game because
43:35
you know, eventually Bungie might
43:37
decide, you know, we're we're going to
43:39
pull the servers down cuz there's not
43:40
enough interest or whatever.
43:42
I don't know cuz to a certain degree,
43:44
like once you've stopped putting out
43:45
content, I don't know
43:48
like there's no profit in running
43:51
uh Destiny Destiny 2 servers at this
43:54
point. Like Destiny 1 like I guess you'd
43:57
run them because people who liked it are
43:58
also playing Destiny 2, I don't know.
44:00
But now I find myself wondering is there
44:02
going to be any reason to? And if if
44:04
they decide to stop, are they going to
44:06
be cool and like let people start their
44:09
own servers?
44:10
Uh one of the things that really made me
44:12
mad about the Anthem debacle
44:14
was there were people who who bought
44:16
into Anthem early and they were
44:18
>> And hard.
44:19
>> Yeah, and hard. And they wanted to keep
44:20
playing it even after, you know,
44:23
uh
44:24
BioWare gave up the ghost on it. Damn,
44:27
because EA was like, you know, stop. And
44:30
so [clears throat]
44:31
those people can't they they it's gone
44:33
now. You can't play it. Uh and it was
44:35
playable for a while. Uh you know, I I
44:37
remember it was even that um
44:39
Game Pass had it, which was which was
44:41
hilarious because buying the game would
44:43
have been cheaper
44:44
than having Game Pass. But regardless,
44:47
it's
44:48
it's annoying to me and I remember this
44:50
The reason I remember this is because
44:51
for me
44:52
uh it was when I was playing City of
44:54
Heroes/Villains
44:56
and they just closed it. And they didn't
44:58
close it cuz it wasn't performing well.
45:00
They didn't close it because people
45:02
didn't like it. They closed it cuz they
45:04
didn't want to keep it up.
45:06
It was just not want to be working on
45:08
this game anymore. And that's kind of
45:10
one of the real pitfalls to me of the
45:12
concept of these almost online MMOs, all
45:15
this stuff, is that you're not you don't
45:18
own that game.
45:20
>> Yeah.
45:20
>> You know, you're playing a game but you
45:22
don't really own it even though you
45:24
bought it. At any moment somebody could
45:26
decide we're not going to run these
45:27
servers anymore and you're out of that.
45:29
>> Yeah, and then that's that's something
45:31
that a lot of like people now are
45:33
There's a been a real big push for
45:35
physical media again in people's lives.
45:38
Uh which is not not an accident. Um I've
45:42
seen tons of people that are going out
45:43
of their way to collect like physical
45:45
copies of movies, video games,
45:48
uh trying to get as much as they can
45:50
because
45:51
these are like we're starting to see
45:53
things that we talked about being afraid
45:55
of years ago. Right? Like things
45:58
terminating, things ending, things
46:01
uh going away,
46:02
uh servers shutting down,
46:05
or sometimes a game just not being
46:07
available on a platform anymore. Or, you
46:10
know, a a disagreement happens, and I
46:12
think we've seen a couple games that
46:13
have like
46:14
all versions of it have been pulled from
46:16
everywhere.
46:18
And at one point, I think there was a
46:19
couple games that are like were actively
46:20
deleted from people's devices cuz they
46:22
were service game.
46:23
And it's also another concern that's
46:25
happening with like PlayStation. The
46:28
PlayStation [clears throat] network
46:29
stuff is is increasing in price, and
46:31
some of the verbage in what they're
46:33
doing is questionable.
46:36
Like it it's very vague and vague on a
46:41
lot like I think on purpose.
46:43
Which should surprise nobody.
46:46
And
46:48
yeah, I I I don't know. It's just one of
46:49
those things where I guess I shouldn't
46:51
be surprised. I guess it'd be the best
46:53
way to put it, but people are people are
46:55
starting to really truly try to like get
46:58
more physical media so that they don't
47:00
have to worry about this particular type
47:03
of stuff anymore.
47:04
>> Yeah, but you've got things like look at
47:07
Diablo II. We used to be able to play
47:09
Diablo II offline.
47:12
Diablo II Resurrected is not like that.
47:15
Diablo
47:17
Diablo is an always-online game. It's
47:20
>> Diablo III is always online, and there's
47:22
no reason for it aside from it's it's
47:25
their battle against piracy.
47:28
It's not There's nothing in that game
47:30
that requires you to be always on.
47:31
>> We used to be able to play these games
47:33
single-player, by ourselves, on our
47:35
local computers, whether we had an
47:37
internet connection or not. And now you
47:39
can't, and that's becoming more common
47:41
for more games. So, that is a real
47:45
shame, and it does mean that we do not
47:49
have full ownership of these games we
47:51
buy and play and enjoy, not all the
47:54
time. So,
47:55
it's it's an ugly it's an ugly place for
47:58
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48:00
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51:29
Uh so, I think we have time for maybe a
51:32
little more game news, maybe another
51:35
gaming story.
51:36
Joe, do you want to pick one of these
51:38
that you think is most interesting?
51:39
>> Uh so, I I don't want to say just
51:41
interesting, but one that I've been
51:43
really looking forward to, uh which is
51:46
Yacht Club Games is the studio behind
51:48
Shovel Knight, one of the most beloved
51:52
retro-inspired
51:54
adventure
51:55
side-scrolling platforming games of all
51:57
time. And several years ago we got a
52:01
there was a Kickstarter
52:03
and a whole thing where they were
52:04
looking to
52:06
start another project after Shovel
52:07
Knight has run its course called Mina
52:10
the Hollower. And it it is coming out as
52:13
of May 29th for the wonderful low low
52:18
price of 20 US dollars or whatever your
52:21
local currency can exchange there in is.
52:24
And it does something that I think is
52:26
really interesting which it answers a
52:28
wonderful question of what if
52:30
Bloodborne, Castlevania, and The Legend
52:32
of Zelda had a weird baby and that baby
52:34
was a mouse?
52:35
So you play as Mina the Hollower.
52:39
Hollower Halloween is essentially what
52:41
they refer to her burrowing underground
52:43
and it's one of her movement tech
52:45
abilities. But it is very much a game
52:49
inspired by A Link to the Past as well
52:52
as Castlevania
52:54
and Bloodborne with very much an open
52:56
world feel to it. You can kind of go
52:57
over where it's not a game on rails. You
53:00
can and it's very exciting and it's done
53:02
in that 8-bit style art that you may
53:06
have seen from other games like Link's
53:08
Awakening and the original Link's
53:09
Awakening things like that. Super
53:12
excited for it. I've been really really
53:14
looking forward to it for a long time
53:17
and I'm excited to get to play it. It
53:19
should be available on all platforms, I
53:21
believe. I'm picking it up on my switch
53:24
because it just is a game that screams
53:27
please play me.
53:29
Please play me in handheld mode.
53:30
>> [laughter]
53:31
>> And I mean there's
53:32
>> So
53:33
>> I was going to say there's other stuff
53:34
and I mean we have a couple extra
53:35
minutes. I don't know if you guys want
53:36
to go through a couple other ones.
53:38
>> I mean yeah, I'm not familiar with the
53:41
with a lot of these games. So you're
53:42
going to have to you're going to have to
53:43
take charge and tell me what's
53:44
interesting here, Joe.
53:46
>> Sure. I mean, these are interesting to
53:48
me, so they your mileage may vary.
53:50
>> fine.
53:50
>> Um one of the other game companies that
53:52
I really enjoyed was Remedy,
53:54
which is the
53:56
studio behind Alan
53:58
Control, the Alan Wake games.
54:01
Um and they have a new CEO. Uh and that
54:04
new CEO comes is formerly from EA.
54:08
Uh so, everything he says here I take
54:10
with a grain of salt until I see
54:11
otherwise.
54:12
Uh but there was a
54:14
interview that he did with the Game
54:16
Business,
54:17
where there were several things that
54:18
were interesting to mention.
54:20
First is that uh one, he supposedly
54:24
understands how beloved Remedy is
54:27
to the point where he got the job and he
54:30
claims that a lot of his
54:31
personal friends messaged him said,
54:33
"Congrats and don't mess it up." Uh
54:36
except I'm not using the words that they
54:37
used for him.
54:38
Um so, I think he understands maybe a
54:41
little bit that this is sort of like a a
54:43
live wire that he's playing with a
54:46
little bit. Um but he did make a couple
54:48
things that I think were one, points
54:49
that I actually agree with, which mark
54:51
it on the calendar, folks.
54:53
Um that games like Control and Alan Wake
54:56
2 did not sell as well as they probably
54:59
could have. And that they didn't really
55:02
reach their full potential, not because
55:04
they were bad games. In fact, they're
55:05
really good games.
55:07
But the marketing for them was just not
55:11
where it could have been. Um and it in
55:14
to quote him, it didn't necessarily
55:16
reach the wider audience that it could.
55:20
And so, like yeah, Alan Wake 1 was a
55:22
very cult game.
55:23
And Alan Wake 2, the people that loved
55:25
Alan Wake 1
55:26
definitely dove into it. Control, people
55:29
dove into it, but it didn't have like
55:30
that mass market push that a lot of
55:32
other games did.
55:34
And Remedy has had some flops
55:37
over the last five years give or take.
55:40
Um games that like that you think would
55:43
have been great but are just not they
55:45
[clears throat] just did not work for
55:46
Remedy. And so there seems to be a
55:48
refocusing on the core IPs. Uh which is
55:52
actually really great to hear from a
55:54
company because
55:56
most other companies are like what other
55:57
IPs can we throw at the wall to make
55:59
them stick and make more money? And this
56:01
one's like no we need to work on Alan
56:03
Wake and Control in that universe and
56:06
really lean into it. And that's actually
56:09
kind of refreshing because Control came
56:10
out in 2019. There's supposed to be a
56:13
sequel to it in the works. And we've
56:15
heard
56:16
nothing of it until this interview
56:20
where he wants to refocus efforts on
56:23
getting it out because it was originally
56:25
supposed to be out this year.
56:27
Um so I'm willing to give him a shot.
56:31
I'm hopeful. Maybe we'll see some good
56:33
stuff out of it and I would like to see
56:35
Remedy get more
56:37
like I'd like to see Alan Wake and
56:38
Control in that whole universe that
56:40
they're building around those IPs and
56:43
that shared experience get more
56:45
attention and love from more people
56:47
because I think it is in a lot of cases
56:49
these are very good games that people
56:51
have never played. So
56:52
>> The Control sequel is coming soon. They
56:54
they showed a trailer at the last Game
56:55
Awards.
56:57
>> Have they said anything about when it's
56:59
coming or
57:00
>> Yeah.
57:01
>> [clears throat]
57:01
>> What you know they basically said this
57:03
game will be out and then that's it.
57:05
>> Yeah.
57:06
>> Control in my opinion
57:08
Alan Wake was always going to be kind of
57:10
a niche game. Like there's just it's a
57:12
dense. It's got a lot of references to a
57:15
lot of sources not just other video
57:16
games. It's got some serious literary
57:18
allusions. It it uses in medias res. If
57:21
you played the second game
57:23
you know how dense the narrative is.
57:26
I don't I don't think it does it didn't
57:28
deserve to be successful. I just think
57:29
it was is going to be a bit of a harder
57:31
sell. But, Control on the surface is
57:34
like The X-Files meets Star Wars.
57:37
You're a Jedi and you work for the
57:38
federal government. You know, it's it's
57:41
like the the Bureau of Control, the
57:43
whole deal. This is tailor-made for like
57:46
uh surface level, you can just make
57:48
people think it's it's an action film
57:50
type thing, and then the deeper stuff is
57:52
going to catch you off guard, but it it
57:55
there's layers. You could You could
57:57
approach it with a multi-layered
57:59
strategy.
58:00
Uh to to to move the game. I feel like
58:02
Control should have been huge. Uh
58:05
it there's nothing about it that would
58:07
keep that from happening. Whereas Alan
58:09
Wake is almost aggressively indie.
58:11
Uh
58:12
And and there's nothing wrong with that.
58:14
I think Alan Wake is a very good game.
58:15
The first one's good, and the second one
58:17
is kind of a amazing.
58:19
Like I think to the point where
58:21
I am unsure how to tell people about it.
58:24
>> It it There's a whole level that's a
58:26
musical, but also a talk show, and it's
58:28
fantastic.
58:29
>> [laughter]
58:29
>> If the the best way that I can describe
58:32
Alan Wake 2 to people is
58:34
if you like things like
58:37
uh uh
58:38
Why can't I think of Twin Peaks and
58:40
shows like uh
58:41
X-Files and like ones that would dealt
58:44
with like weird out there stuff, but
58:46
also have like an element of
58:47
down-to-earth,
58:49
uh it's definitely the game that I would
58:51
recommend playing. It also is the game
58:53
that establishes the Wake universe as a
58:56
whole. Because Control makes nods to it,
59:00
uh references the events of Alan Wake 1,
59:03
but it's never confirmed that everything
59:06
is all one universe. Because Control
59:08
Control deals with weird esoteric uh
59:11
issues of identity and stuff like um
59:13
>> Yeah.
59:14
>> And this solidifies
59:15
>> solidifies it and
59:16
>> Yeah. And this solidifies it. And it's
59:18
honestly like it's a game that I really
59:20
recommend people pick up cuz it's
59:22
it is wild and weird and genre like
59:24
breaking. Um yeah, I don't know.
59:28
>> film.
59:29
Uh, but much much later.
59:32
Uh, it does definitely Twin Peaks is
59:34
definitely a good example of something
59:35
that you could mention to get people to
59:37
understand what you're dealing with. Um,
59:39
but yeah, I will see. Uh,
59:41
>> [clears throat]
59:41
>> I
59:42
I got to say, just imagining, you know,
59:44
I'm hoping this guy is not going to just
59:46
try to EA this. Please don't. Please. I,
59:50
you know, listen to your friends, the
59:52
ones that are telling you not to do
59:53
[laughter] that. Yeah, cuz they're
59:54
right. Please, just don't. And also
59:56
don't don't Ubisoft it while you're at
59:59
it. Just don't do any of that.
1:00:01
A lot of bad things companies do. Don't
1:00:02
do those things.
1:00:04
>> Uh, and as Anna put out there, too, I
1:00:05
wanted to just mention this, like the
1:00:06
Alan Wake's relative numbers and the
1:00:08
stress on that maybe uh, relates to the
1:00:10
aggressive product placement. Um, I
1:00:13
don't know that it necessarily is the
1:00:14
CEO stressing on that. I think there was
1:00:16
an element of it where it did have some
1:00:18
really heavy crossovers with uh,
1:00:21
Lincoln, the car manufacturer, Verizon,
1:00:22
and Duracell. Um, and Alan Wake could
1:00:25
have really good numbers if it was an
1:00:26
indie game. Wasn't quite uh, a triple A
1:00:29
level game as far as that goes. Um, and
1:00:32
honestly, it's what I would call like a
1:00:33
double A and a half game. Um,
1:00:36
so like, I think that there may be an
1:00:38
element of that as well. Uh, possibly
1:00:40
the return on investment, especially
1:00:41
with the other flops, but that said, I
1:00:44
want Remedy to be successful enough that
1:00:46
it stays around and keeps making games.
1:00:48
So, I'm again, I'm willing to to sit
1:00:50
back and and
1:00:52
maybe give it a chance to see how it it
1:00:54
sort of like, I I don't want to say like
1:00:56
percolates, but
1:00:57
>> And don't don't do what Saints Row did
1:00:59
where they decided they were going to
1:01:00
make a game that nobody understood and
1:01:02
then made a really bad Saints Row
1:01:05
remake.
1:01:06
Like, don't don't do that. That's
1:01:07
awesome. We could just sit here all day
1:01:09
with me coming up with new things to not
1:01:10
do.
1:01:11
>> Yeah.
1:01:11
>> I mean, hopefully lower count, but you
1:01:13
know, whenever there's a change in
1:01:15
leadership at a game company, it's kind
1:01:17
of stressful cuz you don't know what's
1:01:19
going to happen. And there's just been a
1:01:21
lot of chaos in the gaming industry
1:01:23
recently. Uh, Uh um
1:01:26
>> Recently seems like it, you know, the
1:01:28
>> Yeah, recently
1:01:30
it does
1:01:32
>> [laughter]
1:01:34
>> It's been 10,000 years. Everything has
1:01:38
been 10,000 years.
1:01:40
>> After 10,000 years, I got laid off.
1:01:43
>> [laughter]
1:01:43
>> Oof. Uh I I do want to end with like
1:01:46
real quick a couple really funny things
1:01:48
or at least that I think are funny.
1:01:49
>> Yeah.
1:01:50
>> Um the citizen thing? What's that? No,
1:01:53
that's that's that's not a that's not a
1:01:54
funny thing. That's just a weird thing.
1:01:56
Uh but I do want to talk about
1:01:58
uh so Tekken is a fighting game that has
1:02:00
a very rabid fan base. Um and the
1:02:03
director Katsuhiro Harada
1:02:06
finally made his way to Waffle House.
1:02:08
Now, the reason that this is important
1:02:10
is that if you exist on the internet,
1:02:12
you know that there's this meme about
1:02:13
Waffle House being like the final boss
1:02:16
of like showdown arenas. And fans of
1:02:19
Tekken have been begging to have a
1:02:21
Waffle House level in Tekken for at this
1:02:25
point I think it might be a decade. Um
1:02:29
And so
1:02:30
>> Longer than that cuz it was it was like
1:02:31
what, Tekken 4 that they really started
1:02:33
thinking about it?
1:02:35
>> Maybe. I I don't think they were think
1:02:36
they were really thinking about it
1:02:37
become it became an internet meme when
1:02:39
the first Waffle House fight video
1:02:40
started showing up on the internet.
1:02:41
>> were thinking about it, not the
1:02:43
>> Yeah, yeah.
1:02:44
Um but yeah, so he finally showed up to
1:02:47
a Waffle House. They he literally posted
1:02:50
pictures of him outside, inside, with
1:02:51
the staff.
1:02:53
Uh buy he commented he bought a menu
1:02:56
uh from them that he could take home
1:02:57
with them and that he wanted to show up
1:02:59
late at night when the fight start so
1:03:01
that he could get a good like first-hand
1:03:02
experience. So, there is your hopeium
1:03:05
Tekken people that you might get a
1:03:06
Waffle House stage or crossover or some
1:03:09
integration with Waffle House into your
1:03:10
Tekken. Uh just remember this might be a
1:03:13
monkey paw moment for you, but you might
1:03:15
get it.
1:03:16
>> You you what's hilarious about these
1:03:17
pictures that he posted? In every single
1:03:19
one, he looks like Heihachi Mishima
1:03:22
except without the hair. He just has
1:03:24
this grumpy face on the whole time. He
1:03:26
looks like he's actually walking in to
1:03:28
fight the Waffle House.
1:03:30
>> [laughter]
1:03:30
>> And I don't recommend that. You'll lose,
1:03:32
man. Waffle House can beat hurricanes.
1:03:35
Waffle House doesn't close.
1:03:38
Like they just don't. Like there can be
1:03:39
volcanoes erupting and Waffle House will
1:03:41
stay open.
1:03:42
>> Uh and then one last thing I will talk
1:03:44
about the Star Citizen thing and then
1:03:45
I'll be done. Um Star Citizen, a game
1:03:48
that has been wildly controversial for a
1:03:50
very long time,
1:03:51
has crossed the $1 billion
1:03:54
in crowd fund rate funding raised. Um
1:03:59
this latest endeavor saw them offering a
1:04:01
$5,000 real-world money spaceship that
1:04:05
you can't fly in game currently. Um it
1:04:08
is something to come in the future. It
1:04:10
is the the Odin capital class ship. Uh
1:04:13
and in order to be able to buy one, you
1:04:16
had to write an actual essay explaining
1:04:18
why you wanted an Anvil Odin uh in order
1:04:22
to be selected for the privilege of
1:04:24
giving them 5,000 of your dollars for
1:04:26
this game to be released or this item to
1:04:28
be released in the game in the future.
1:04:30
Uh we live in strange times, folks,
1:04:32
because apparently a not insignificant
1:04:34
number people
1:04:35
absolutely
1:04:37
submitted uh
1:04:39
essays and purchased this vessel that's
1:04:42
not even available. While this game this
1:04:44
game continues to be controversial.
1:04:45
>> This game is just the biggest like
1:04:48
somebody was like, "What if we really
1:04:51
just try to get as much money as
1:04:52
possible? It would be so hilarious." And
1:04:55
then And someone else was like, "No way,
1:04:56
man. That'll never work." And this has
1:04:58
just been somebody trying set out to
1:04:59
prove them wrong the whole time because
1:05:02
I can't believe how that that this game
1:05:04
has made so much money for barely a
1:05:06
game.
1:05:07
>> And Star Citizen even be played? Like I
1:05:10
didn't I don't even know the answer to
1:05:11
this question.
1:05:12
>> There is gameplay there now. There I
1:05:13
don't know how much, but there's
1:05:16
definitely something and yeah, I it's
1:05:19
but it's not it's nowhere near what it
1:05:21
was what was promised when I started
1:05:23
>> and we are asking whether or not it can
1:05:26
be played.
1:05:28
Wow.
1:05:29
Wow.
1:05:30
>> Yeah, it's it's getting there I think
1:05:34
from what I understand from every time I
1:05:35
see a little bit of it pop up I poke at
1:05:37
it a bit. Not playing it but just like
1:05:39
looking around and there's gameplay.
1:05:41
There's people flying ships around, but
1:05:44
oh man, I for a game that was supposed
1:05:46
to come out
1:05:47
and was advertised as coming out back in
1:05:49
Mist of Pandaria
1:05:53
it
1:05:54
You're right. There there should be a
1:05:56
a solid like the Star Citizen League has
1:05:58
today announced that you can spend
1:05:59
$5,000 and buy a
1:06:01
a spaceship and also watch us
1:06:03
do whatever.
1:06:06
>> Well, I I I do want to ask Corey for one
1:06:09
more thing before we wrap up which uh
1:06:11
Corey, do you want to give us our weekly
1:06:13
Heroes of the Storm hopium? There's no
1:06:15
actual updates on Heroes of the Storm
1:06:19
but why should we continue to live in
1:06:21
hope? Well, none of that I've seen. Is
1:06:23
there?
1:06:24
>> There's no real updates. Um the BlizzCon
1:06:27
community challenge where they're doing
1:06:29
all those old games uh reminded folks
1:06:31
that there will be rewards in game for
1:06:34
watching it.
1:06:35
So, there the Heroes of the Storm
1:06:37
community is hoping that they will get
1:06:38
something cool and exciting and not just
1:06:40
a recolor or not just one of the
1:06:42
previous Heroes of the Storm rewards
1:06:44
that have been from like watching a
1:06:46
streamed event. Uh I've been watching a
1:06:49
the streamer Bahamut Gaming
1:06:51
uh casting a bunch of the Worlds
1:06:53
tournament that's been going on and
1:06:55
that's always fun.
1:06:56
And uh I know that
1:06:58
he is looking for a chance at hosting or
1:07:01
casting some of the uh BlizzCon matches
1:07:03
so
1:07:04
it would be great to get him in because
1:07:05
he's always a super fun guy and he's a
1:07:07
great dog and I'd love to I'd love to
1:07:09
see him get the support that he deserves
1:07:11
cuz he was always a great caster, super
1:07:13
fun, super good at like reading the
1:07:14
situations. And that's why he was
1:07:17
involved with the last major community
1:07:19
tournament before uh
1:07:21
from all those years ago right after
1:07:22
Heroes of the Storm went to maintenance
1:07:23
mode. It was him and Grubby casting
1:07:25
together and it was fantastic.
1:07:27
>> Oh, if
1:07:27
>> Heroes of the Storm, play it. It's fun.
1:07:29
Uh
1:07:30
it's a game that's server is kept alive
1:07:33
through
1:07:34
a slight amount of microtransactions,
1:07:35
much like I'm assuming that Destiny 2
1:07:37
will be kept alive through
1:07:38
microtransactions.
1:07:39
>> Um I don't know. I didn't talk about it
1:07:41
much earlier, but I my fear is that
1:07:43
Destiny 2 will be gone shortly. We'll
1:07:45
see.
1:07:45
>> We'll see. I think I think it's got a
1:07:47
couple years of life left in it.
1:07:48
>> I mean we can we can cross our fingers
1:07:50
and hope for the best. I think that's
1:07:52
that's all we can do for maybe the
1:07:55
entire gaming industry.
1:07:58
Today, but I'm going to keep my fingers
1:07:59
crossed. I I've got nothing better to do
1:08:02
with them. So, hopefully hopefully
1:08:04
hopefully it'll all work out and
1:08:06
hopefully we'll have Heroes of the Storm
1:08:07
back any day now, any day.
1:08:10
>> Definitely, definitely. BlizzCon 2026,
1:08:13
here we go.
1:08:14
>> I mean it could be. It could be. They've
1:08:16
got to win out something.
1:08:18
>> And it's
1:08:18
>> Why not Heroes of the Storm?
1:08:20
>> Why not? Every time there is an update,
1:08:23
there's all these comments that are
1:08:24
like, "Oh, this game is still alive."
1:08:25
And yes, yes it is. They're still
1:08:27
updating it. So, just
1:08:29
if more people go back and check it out
1:08:30
and play a few matches, they'll see that
1:08:32
the
1:08:32
>> [clears throat]
1:08:32
>> the numbers are there. They just need to
1:08:34
talk. They just need to exist again and
1:08:36
the the people will come back. They're
1:08:39
The people yearn for Heroes of the
1:08:40
Storm.
1:08:41
>> You aren't wrong. So, we can We're going
1:08:44
to keep keep hoping. Keep hoping. But
1:08:47
for now, my friends, this is all for the
1:08:49
Blizzard Watch podcast this week. I want
1:08:51
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1:08:54
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1:08:56
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1:08:59
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