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This week, Matt, Joe, Liz, and our special guest host Six, are all waiting patiently to talk about Lord of Hatred, the new expansion for Diablo 4 which came out earlier this week. So they'll talk a little bit about World of Warcraft patch 12.0.5 first, kind of like the concept of "eating the frog," where you do the gross thing first to get it out of the way as fast as possible. Patch 12.0.5 probably wasn't that bad -- probably -- but it did have its grossness, with so many bugs that Blizzard apologized in a blog post, and Senior Game Designer Paul Kubit went on our bestie Evitel and some other dude's podcast and did damage control. Oh, and Hearthstone announced a thing. Class minisets, or whatever.
But then, they got to talk about Lord of Hatred and oh boy are they excited about it. They thought a lot of the changes revolutionized how the game feels and plays -- maybe not all the way up to a Reaper of Souls for how it made Diablo 3 suddenly a classic, but it's close. Skill trees, charms, bears -- and no story spoilers, even though Joe already got spoiled on it.
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>> Hello everybody and welcome to the
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Blizzard Watch podcast where we talk
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about Blizzard Entertainment and its
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many games and I mean sometimes other
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things but but primarily Blizzard
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Entertainment and its many games. Um
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with us this week we have our amazing
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editor-in-chief uh Liz Harper. Hi Liz.
0:27
Hello.
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And our esteemed guru of electronic
0:32
functioning uh Joe Perez who who has
0:34
opinions about mice and will share them
0:36
with you in a pre in a pre-show if
0:38
you're lucky. It's true. It's very very
0:40
true.
0:41
And special guest Six. Hi Six. Hey,
0:44
how's it going? Just sitting around
0:46
waiting for another Carrington event
0:47
here.
0:49
Okay. I'm not sure what that is but and
0:51
um Apparently one of us does.
0:53
>> listen well the 1859 Carrington event
0:56
where a a solar storm hit the earth that
0:59
was so powerful it melted uh yeah.
1:01
>> Yeah.
1:02
During during during like the 10th solar
1:04
cycle or some weird nonsense. I remember
1:06
this. Yep. Melted just ruined
1:08
electronics across the world at a time
1:10
when electronics were first getting
1:11
started and made everybody wonder just
1:12
what the gods were thinking. It was also
1:14
one of the things referenced in uh or at
1:16
least inspiration for Stephen King's
1:18
cocaine-fueled uh Maximum Overdrive.
1:22
Solar events and cocaine. Great.
1:24
>> Yeah. It's great great combination for
1:25
Stephen King solar you know solar
1:28
cocaine jags. I don't know what that has
1:29
to do with anything. Uh I'm going to be
1:31
nice and restrain the the
1:34
horrible little goblin inside me that
1:36
just wants to talk about Diablo 4
1:38
forever.
1:39
Cuz we do kind of have to talk about
1:41
World of Warcraft 2 because patch 12.0.5
1:44
had some issues some some tiny issues
1:48
small issues. Uh Liz I like to have you
1:51
talk about these things cuz you do a
1:52
great you know dispassionate voice of
1:56
reason [laughter] so
1:58
tell us what happened.
2:01
Well
2:02
Okay do it for that noise. I didn't make
2:04
that noise. That noise.
2:05
>> [laughter]
2:06
>> It's been a patch. Uh I mean this is
2:09
>> [sighs and gasps]
2:10
>> I don't understand how this patch got to
2:13
be this state. I mean I can speculate
2:14
about how this patch got to be this
2:16
state. I'll freely speculate to release.
2:18
I'll freely speculate. Some bad vibes
2:20
are involved in this one. I'll leave it
2:21
at that.
2:21
>> Yeah.
2:22
I yeah but it's it's still surprises me
2:25
even knowing that there have been QA
2:27
cuts even knowing that uh AI use is more
2:31
prevalent in software development. I
2:33
don't know that Blizzard is using AI or
2:35
how much they're using AI. Even knowing
2:37
those things I'm surprised this patch
2:40
got to this point where they released it
2:42
like this.
2:43
Um so last week uh the patch had just
2:45
come out when we recorded. We talked
2:47
about how housing had been disabled and
2:51
uh housing was turned back on within a
2:53
day but apparently floors are broken
2:56
inside houses. That's that's not a
2:58
crucial thing. That's not a crucial part
3:00
of a house. Is it Joe? Um so no clearly
3:04
not. Um
3:06
Yeah you're you're trying to get me
3:07
riled up. I'm already mad about this.
3:09
>> a house. I I'm like my my floors are
3:12
still broken. Like I and and Aiden in
3:14
our guild has been having the same
3:15
problem where like we'll set it to
3:17
something it will be set to that. It
3:19
will be like you mouse over it or you go
3:21
into customize mode and it tells you
3:22
that it's set a very specific way and
3:24
then it defaults to something that it is
3:25
absolutely not and completely ruins
3:27
everything in the decor that you have
3:29
spent hours setting up and then you go
3:31
and reset it and then leave the house
3:33
and come back and it's back to being
3:35
broken again. Uh
3:38
So I will I will talk about an even more
3:41
serious problem than that which is that
3:43
transmog that transmog is
3:47
it's it's really transmog has some
3:49
slight intermittent bugs in which your
3:51
transmog will sometimes completely turn
3:53
off so you're wearing whatever you're
3:56
wearing.
3:56
>> That that's been happening before this
3:58
patch though. This patch just kind of
4:00
exacerbated whatever issue was already
4:01
happening.
4:02
>> Like it's happening frequently now.
4:04
Yeah.
4:05
Is it also is it just sometimes some
4:08
stuff turns off randomly? No. Cuz I have
4:11
I've got a shoulder
4:12
I've got shoulders that have turning off
4:14
continuously. Like every time but but
4:16
the rest of my stuff is fine. My
4:18
character randomly did my character
4:20
randomly did not have pants or did have
4:22
pants during our last raid event between
4:24
bosses. Like I'd be moving from boss to
4:25
boss or anytime I would use the
4:27
teleporter it was a crapshoot of whether
4:28
or not I had pants on. And and also
4:31
it'll randomly switch between transmogs
4:33
for no apparent reason or completely
4:35
turn your transmog off or completely
4:36
turn your transmog off for one or two
4:38
items and it's it's chaos out here.
4:42
Obviously these are the most important
4:43
problems affecting the game. It's it's
4:45
very serious out here. Um
4:48
so I will say there there may be a a
4:50
couple a couple of other bugs in this
4:53
patch which the void forge was a big
4:55
part of the rollout this week and you
4:58
know the void forge is giving us bonus
5:00
rolls. It's going to give us additional
5:02
item upgrade levels for our gear. That's
5:05
not available yet. That's time gated.
5:07
But we were going to get these bonus
5:08
roll items and everyone unlocked the
5:10
void forge. They got their bonus roll
5:12
items. They did their bonus rolls and
5:14
they were getting duplicate items.
5:17
That's one of the things that explicitly
5:19
was not supposed to happen with the void
5:22
forge. Was that I was going to say I got
5:24
some I said I got something that wasn't
5:26
even on my loot table. Nice.
5:27
>> Yeah. It's just the behavior is really
5:30
inconsistent
5:32
and obviously broken.
5:35
Which is funny because this is not the
5:37
first time we've had a bonus roll
5:39
system. We've had it before
5:42
uh when they introduced personal loot to
5:44
begin with. It does seem like this uh
5:46
the void forge is
5:47
the bonus rolls are supposed to have
5:49
more bad luck protection than we used to
5:51
have. I mean you didn't used to have I
5:54
old school bonus rolls you would roll
5:55
and just you get another chance of loot
5:56
and it's whatever it is. But the void
5:58
forge bonus rolls you are supposed to be
6:02
able to roll and whatever you get it
6:05
goes off the loot table for you in the
6:07
future. So you're never going to get a
6:09
duplicate. Which makes me wonder
6:11
which makes me wonder if the the void
6:13
reroll the void forge rerolls are just
6:17
using the same code but updated and I'm
6:20
air quoting updated from the like the
6:22
original code base or the original
6:24
intention of the original bonus rolls
6:27
cuz when we were talking about the
6:29
people having these bugs the first thing
6:31
that I thought of and I think I may have
6:33
mentioned this to Phil or or somebody
6:34
else in guild it's like it just reminds
6:37
me of just how bonus rolls used to work.
6:39
Like you just described. Like
6:41
you just get what you get and that's
6:42
what you Yeah. I mean it could be a
6:44
spaghetti code problem but yeah it was
6:47
explicitly it was supposed to work this
6:49
different way. It did not work this
6:51
different way and
6:53
people were maybe a little upset about
6:54
that cuz Blizzard said you're getting
6:56
one thing and what actually rolled out
6:57
in the game not that one thing. And in
7:00
fact if you spent a bonus roll while
7:02
this was bugged you've been refunded
7:05
your bonus roll token. Yep. Um so I mean
7:08
they they made it as right as they could
7:10
make it. The bug has been fixed at this
7:12
point. Bonus rolls are safe to use and
7:15
they should act as intended but this was
7:18
a big headline feature of the patch and
7:20
it launched absolutely not working the
7:22
way it was supposed to which seems
7:24
a little bit odd a little bit odd. So
7:28
that's
7:29
not ideal. Uh
7:32
the void assaults which are another one
7:34
that's a big headline feature
7:36
uh they were turned off for a while.
7:38
They're back on. Are they working? Are
7:40
they not working? Um I void assaults
7:42
appear to be functional right now
7:45
but also one weird thing with
7:48
with void assaults. Okay. So you can
7:52
go to void assault
7:54
AFK get your reward or just be flying
7:56
over a void assault get the full reward
7:59
because there are no participation
8:00
requirements which I I don't mind that.
8:02
That's fine. You you're there at the
8:05
right place at the right time. You're
8:06
maybe doing a little but not a ton cuz
8:08
participation rewards can be a pain cuz
8:11
it can mean oh I got here late. I didn't
8:13
do enough. I don't get anything. And
8:15
that feels bad. Now but just being able
8:17
to okay I'm I'm here. I'm doing my best.
8:20
I arrive right before the end. I still
8:22
get a reward. That feels good. But so
8:26
but on the flip side of that decor duels
8:29
which I actually think are really fun.
8:31
Uh
8:32
if you do not participate in quotation
8:36
marks you don't get a reward. And what
8:40
does not participating mean? Well this
8:42
is a hide and seek game and if you hide
8:44
so that no one finds you
8:46
you haven't been participating enough.
8:48
So
8:50
it's there's just weird inconsistent
8:52
behavior and this is just
8:54
and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
8:57
Lura has been bugged. There is
8:59
apparently a bug in on Lura specifically
9:02
with druids that if they fall into the
9:05
dark well they just what
9:08
you you know what's going on here don't
9:09
you Joe? With the Lura bug? I was
9:12
reading up on it because I I I literally
9:14
did not know that there was a bug for
9:16
um Well we were trying to keep the bear
9:18
out of the the dark well because if poor
9:21
Luranan fell into that Luranan be I
9:23
think locked out of her weapon slot.
9:25
>> not
9:26
No no she locked out of heels. That's
9:28
not just a heels but that's not just a
9:30
dark well thing.
9:31
It's not just a Lura thing. That that
9:33
that that is a death plane thing. So
9:36
like it's most prevalent on Lura
9:39
because you know it's very easy for a
9:42
tank to accidentally step into the dark
9:44
well if you're too close to it and just
9:46
you fall in you hit the death plane
9:47
you're done.
9:49
But it's not the only one. Go ahead. But
9:51
wasn't the fix for that something like
9:53
you had to equip a fishing pole and take
9:55
it off again and go into another
9:56
instance with the dawn. Like it was a
9:58
fix from like Fallout 76 or something.
10:00
>> Well, yeah, because it was because it
10:01
because it would stick because that was
10:03
the thing. Like once
10:04
once the tank had gone through the death
10:05
plane, they were no longer healable. Um
10:08
and that like it was this idea of like
10:11
equipping different things, going into a
10:12
different instance, and then coming back
10:15
out and you'd be back to the same
10:18
faction again. Um kind of like how I had
10:21
that bug where I was stuck as a blood
10:23
elf in the real world. Uh despite the
10:25
fact that I was no longer on my my uh
10:29
uh lore walking.
10:31
Like
10:31
some weird weird bugs. But yeah, it's
10:34
it's prevalent on Lura because it's
10:36
really easy to do, but it's multiple
10:39
death planes. It's not just it's not
10:41
just Lura. Okay. Have you guys listened
10:43
to the interview that came out with uh
10:45
Taliesin and Evitel
10:47
that they just did with uh Paul uh Kubit
10:50
Kubit? I have not. So, he he gets into
10:53
it a little bit about what they're
10:55
they're talking about like how it sort
10:56
of failed on the Blizzard side. And he's
10:59
starts real early on the video, but he's
11:00
capitulating it up to it being that it's
11:03
a realm issue. That they're they're when
11:05
they're quote unquote well, pseudo quote
11:07
unquote uh when they're testing this
11:09
like internally, they have an entire
11:11
server set up, they're running through
11:12
it, they're seeing what's happening, but
11:14
they forgot to do this within realms or
11:16
phasing or sort of like the interlacing
11:18
that happens with realms. And that's why
11:20
everything got screwed up. Which sounds
11:23
workable, but also sounds shallow for a
11:25
company that should understand that's
11:28
what a beta is. So. And of course, we're
11:31
releasing patches on a really uh
11:33
accelerated cadence. Blizzard's has been
11:35
doing this
11:36
in recent in recent years. Uh we've had,
11:39
you know, patches on a pretty solid
11:41
eight-week cadence. But sometimes it
11:43
feels like, you know, maybe it needed a
11:46
little more time to cook.
11:48
And this feels like one of them. Whether
11:50
that's um
11:52
Yeah. whether it needed more testing,
11:54
whether it
11:55
it it needed more PTR time because one
11:57
of the things about the housing bug uh
12:00
housing was never on the PTR. So, any
12:02
interactions with housing that might
12:04
have caused that problem, you couldn't
12:05
have found them on the PTR because they
12:09
housing was just turned off there.
12:11
Right. Yeah, they're just they had too
12:13
much confidence in it. They thought they
12:14
did too good of a job, I guess.
12:16
So.
12:17
Uh but here here's the thing though.
12:19
It's just like these point five and
12:20
point seven patches are starting to get
12:21
a real reputation for just, you know,
12:23
coming in half-baked. I remember on 11.1
12:27
I think it was 11.1.5. It might have
12:29
been point seven, but that patch was
12:30
just like cataclysmically bad. Like the
12:33
it was the new feature which was that we
12:35
had the assaults cuz, you know, assaults
12:37
is their thing. Um but we had the bugs
12:39
coming in and invading
12:41
um
12:42
Oh my god. They were the the wrathies.
12:44
Um and you would go into the zone and
12:46
you would just get locked into these
12:47
phases either fighting the bugs by
12:48
yourself or try to flee the zone and
12:50
still be in combat with them as you're
12:52
like
12:53
like in a whole other realm or going
12:55
into a dungeon or something else like
12:56
that.
12:57
Like like this is becoming it's it's
13:00
becoming less and less
13:03
a happenstance for like a single patch.
13:05
It's just becoming notable for all these
13:06
point five and point seven patches at
13:08
this point. So, it's nice that they're
13:10
kind of acknowledging it now, but at the
13:12
same time, we are years into them just
13:15
uh as I was saying just
13:17
uh
13:17
Uh I'm trying to use words that won't
13:19
get us banned.
13:20
>> [laughter]
13:20
>> Uh or we'll get demonetized or whatever
13:22
it is. Um
13:24
uh releasing these things half-baked
13:26
again. So, it's probably the best way to
13:27
say it.
13:28
Well, and I will give Blizzard credit.
13:31
They actually came out and apologized,
13:33
which that's not a common thing to have
13:35
a big apology.
13:37
Uh so, it's they said the 12.0.5 patch
13:41
was not up to our standards, and we know
13:43
this disrupted your time and caused
13:45
justified frustration. The team has been
13:47
working around the clock since launch to
13:49
stabilize the game and fix the biggest
13:51
issues players were hitting right away.
13:53
Uh so, we have had just kind of non-stop
13:55
hotfixes and bug fixes coming out. Uh
13:59
but still, it's kind of it's it's
14:01
definitely been a disappointing patch
14:02
because it did have some cool features,
14:04
and it's just it's just a little
14:06
wrecked, and it wrecked things that
14:07
aren't even new. It's the number of
14:09
class bugs introduced here are beyond
14:12
counting, and it's just it is. It's
14:15
frustrating, and I don't think no one's
14:17
happy about it. Not even Blizzard is
14:19
happy about it, I imagine. So, it's just
14:21
this is this is the state of the game.
14:24
Which is sad. Which is very sad. Is
14:25
there anything else? They're trying to
14:27
be be more professional about it, but at
14:29
the same time, it's like that whole old
14:31
Blizzard logo of it's ready when it's
14:32
ready TM, if you remember.
14:34
>> Mm, not anymore. Not anymore at all. So,
14:36
I mean, I like the fact that they are
14:38
trying to stick to a schedule. They give
14:40
us a full release on what to expect with
14:42
these different things, and they plan
14:43
all these patches in advance to a point.
14:45
But then again, you also run into
14:46
situations where again, it's it comes in
14:48
just like under-delivered. It comes in
14:51
semi-unplayable, ruins the things you do
14:53
like. Um and also it introduces just
14:55
stuff that you're like, why was this
14:57
important? Like I keep looking at these
14:58
void incursions, and I'm like, why are
15:00
we doing this? Didn't we just stop all
15:01
this? Why is the void still attacking
15:03
us? Listen, I I
15:06
we're stopping this because I want the
15:07
transmog. That's all. Yeah, enough said.
15:09
Always a good point. So. Also, we should
15:12
mention I don't know if this is
15:13
>> Okay, I Go ahead. Because I just
15:15
mentioned transmog, I I would like to
15:18
add one thing about the transmog you get
15:20
from void assaults,
15:21
which is uh purple recolors of the
15:24
reimagined 20th anniversary tier sets.
15:27
Okay.
15:28
Which I mean
15:30
if you like purple, great. If you don't
15:32
like purple, I'm sorry this is not your
15:33
expansion.
15:34
But the thing is to get these, you can't
15:37
just earn them or buy them. It's they're
15:41
in a blind box. They're all in a blind
15:44
box. So, you buy a helm
15:47
in a box, and it could be a helm for any
15:49
class. Oh. And you're going to have to
15:52
you're going to have to buy all of them
15:54
forever until you get what you want.
15:57
Keep buying them until such time as the
15:59
proper hat drops.
16:01
Yes, exactly. And so, I will I will say
16:04
one good thing is once you get like one
16:06
hat, that hat is removed from the
16:08
possibilities. But the other thing and
16:10
the thing all of our listeners should be
16:12
aware of is that if you buy like 10 hat
16:15
boxes and expect to get all the hats,
16:17
that won't work because the loot in the
16:19
box is apparently assigned when the box
16:22
is created. So, when you buy it, the
16:24
loot is assigned. And then you open it,
16:25
and whatever's inside it is inside it.
16:27
So, if you are tremendously unlucky,
16:30
it's possible you could buy 10 hat boxes
16:32
and have 10 of the same hat because the
16:33
loot is generated when you buy it, and
16:35
when you buy it, you didn't have that
16:36
hat, so the hat is a possibility. So,
16:38
you want to buy one, open it. Did I get
16:41
the hat I want? No. Buy another one,
16:43
open it. Did I get You see where I'm
16:45
going here. So, it's the blind box
16:47
system. No convenience is allowed. Uh
16:50
yeah, none at all. So, uh yeah, I'm
16:54
I'm working through this system, and
16:56
it's it's fine. I'll I'll say it's fine.
17:01
That's That's all I got. That system is
17:03
a casino.
17:05
Yeah, it's very it's reminiscent of all
17:08
the other weird gotcha game type stuff
17:10
they've been doing lately.
17:11
So.
17:12
>> Yeah. But it's it's all an in-game
17:14
currency. It's not even that expensive.
17:15
It's just a hassle. It's a hassle. Yeah,
17:19
it's it's a time sink at that point
17:21
because, you know, you're not spending
17:23
any more than you did when you bought a
17:25
bunch of them and then opened them one
17:26
at a time. You're just forced to spend
17:29
more time. This This is the thing about
17:31
the engagement number metric that
17:33
infuriates
17:35
is you find yourself with situations
17:37
like this that'll keep you doing things
17:38
for longer than you need to just because
17:41
it keeps you in the game longer. Or at
17:43
least that's the theory. Apparently,
17:44
they don't understand that sometimes we
17:46
just quit
17:47
rather than deal with it. I mean, that's
17:49
the thing that happens. Not for
17:51
transmog. I'm going to keep doing this,
17:53
and I'm going to hate it every time.
17:56
Over. I do think we should mention
17:58
um I I first off, I got to read class
18:00
bugs beyond counting out loud because
18:02
that that's got to be mentioned in that
18:05
exact phrasing. Just as numerous as the
18:08
stars.
18:09
>> [laughter]
18:10
>> And no force can make these bugs bow
18:12
their knee, not even the mighty legion,
18:14
who aren't even in this expansion. So,
18:16
you guys are boned.
18:17
>> [laughter]
18:17
>> Actually, they kind of are if you play
18:19
that one dungeon. The Dragonflight
18:21
mythic raids are built can be soloed. Um
18:23
which is nice. Uh it's not a documented
18:25
change, but for instance, if you wanted
18:27
to get a piece of gear off of a brood of
18:29
broodkeeper Diurna uh or Raszageth
18:32
and you couldn't because the mechanics
18:34
were very hard to solo, you can do them
18:37
now. They've been adjusted. That's it
18:39
good. You'll get your transmog.
18:41
Uh Diurna had that thing where you had
18:43
to keep her away from the ads or she
18:44
took like 99% less damage, just a
18:48
ridiculous amount less damage. Yep. The
18:50
numbers have been tuned way way way way
18:53
down so that it
18:55
is the mechanic is still there, but you
18:57
can power through it. And
19:00
you could power through it before if you
19:02
were like seriously superpowered. I
19:05
mean, it wasn't
19:06
>> item gear raid, you know.
19:08
>> Yeah, I I don't think it was 100%
19:09
impossible, but you just had to burst so
19:12
hard. Yeah, the whole afternoon. So.
19:16
I
19:17
Diurna Di- A Diurna drops the thing that
19:20
Evokers need for their legendary in uh
19:23
Dragonflight. So, if you were picking up
19:25
an Evoker
19:27
new, and you wanted a cool legendary
19:29
what's-its, uh that's that's an option
19:31
you could go and get on your own.
19:33
Pretty sure it's a staff. Uh yes. But
19:35
also
19:36
>> oh, what's-it what's-it covers a lot of
19:38
ground. I know.
19:39
Um but I wanted to say it's a staff
19:41
because then it showed that I knew
19:43
something about Evokers, and I don't
19:44
feel so bad. Um world but world quest
19:47
bonus week. Um but you're not going to
19:49
get bonuses for midnight reputations.
19:51
They do this every expansion. Why do
19:53
they always do this? It's just kind of
19:56
hmm. Yes, this rep only counts
19:58
>> it's like doesn't count for the one
19:59
thing you're going to want rep right
20:00
now, but whatever. It's it's fine. I'm
20:04
not that but that does seem like the the
20:06
kind of new philosophy with rep bonuses
20:10
that
20:11
they don't apply to the current
20:12
expansion. Blizzard did that to the
20:14
Darkmoon Faire this expansion also.
20:17
It's bonus rep does not count towards
20:19
any Midnight reputation. So, of course I
20:22
also think Midnight reputations move
20:23
pretty fast. So, I think you you can you
20:27
don't necessarily need it, but it kind
20:29
of feels not awesome to be like, "Hey,
20:32
it's world quest bonus week. You get
20:34
extra experience for your extra
20:36
reputation for your world quest except
20:38
for except for the ones here where
20:39
you're playing right now. Sorry."
20:42
Yeah, no you're right. They do feel like
20:43
they're moving pretty quickly and the
20:44
world is still fun to play at times. So,
20:47
I mean there's there's a lot of stuff
20:48
that'll help you out with that, too. But
20:50
it's like leveling, you power up, you
20:52
get through everything, you get your
20:53
three
20:54
four pieces of champion gear from the
20:56
different faction and at that point
20:57
you're kind of set to let it just
20:59
by nature just slowly build itself up to
21:01
being exalted and eventually gets your
21:03
uh
21:05
get your mounts uh before the end of the
21:07
the end of the actual expansion. So,
21:09
also we got to mention Children's Week.
21:11
Um you now have a nap mat, which I think
21:13
is them mocking me
21:15
for the lack of sleep they keep allowing
21:16
me because they put out, you know, "Hey,
21:18
remember this big patch we just did in
21:20
World of Warcraft? Also, whole new
21:22
expansion to Diablo 4 and in Hearthstone
21:26
we inject chemicals into your eyes."
21:27
Okay, they don't do that part.
21:29
Everything else um
21:31
You don't know. When when's the
21:33
Hearthstone expansion coming out? Didn't
21:34
it or is it coming out soon? Uh
21:36
Hearthstone expansion came out a few
21:38
weeks ago. So, basically they did a
21:40
Hearthstone expansion then they did the
21:42
new patch for a while. Now they're doing
21:44
the new expansion for Diablo 4. Ah, this
21:48
is so much. Oh god.
21:50
And the more I'm talking about other
21:51
things the less I'm doing playing Diablo
21:53
4.
21:54
So, it's maddening. Maddening. Nap mat,
21:55
I'm never going to get to use it, but
21:56
it's still cool. It's It's tough. We
21:58
have to sit here we have to sit here and
22:00
talk about Warcraft instead of playing
22:01
Diablo 4. Yep, it is sad. Uh but we
22:04
should mention in addition to the nap
22:06
mat you can also go collect all the
22:08
other stuff if you didn't do Children's
22:10
Week in previous years.
22:11
Um which is nice. It's always nice to be
22:13
able to catch up on stuff like that.
22:15
There's a lot of stuff in Children's
22:17
Week. So, if you haven't been like top
22:19
of top top top of everything over the
22:21
years yeah, there's a lot of stuff to
22:23
still get. But not a lot of new stuff
22:25
this year.
22:27
Yeah, I guess the point is that
22:29
>> But the nap mat, your character at least
22:30
will be able to get a nice nap.
22:32
Hmm, yeah. That must be nice. And I will
22:34
envy that character like fire. Um
22:37
also
22:39
uh we we should talk you know, just just
22:41
a brief round up. What do you all think
22:44
about this content so far? What do you
22:46
think about the patch in terms of
22:48
content, not in terms of bugs?
22:50
Um although I I feel like the bugs also
22:52
give us a lot to love in in very
22:54
different way.
22:55
So, I think the void assaults still are
22:57
in my my favorite of all this.
23:00
Uh I just that that's it for me. I like
23:02
the void assaults.
23:03
I mean they are pretty fun. They are
23:05
pretty fun when they're working right
23:07
and uh
23:08
I I'm just here for the transmog. You
23:10
know, give me some transmog and I'm
23:12
there. Yeah, I mean it's
23:14
it's fine.
23:16
Um I'll be honest there was so much so
23:20
much content already in the game that I
23:23
would not have noticed had there not
23:25
been another like if this patch hadn't
23:27
have dropped I wouldn't have noticed.
23:29
There's just already so much going on,
23:31
right? So, like yeah they added a lot
23:33
more stuff, but
23:34
I I think I think Phil said it when we
23:37
were talking about it in the raid and it
23:38
is I think he also mentioned it on the
23:40
Q. There's like this
23:42
weird thing where they they have just
23:44
become slaves to the eternal eight-week
23:47
content release. Yeah. Like and
23:50
in some cases I can understand that
23:52
being you know, good you have your your
23:54
sprint one runway set up um and it
23:57
motivates you and you get stuff done,
23:58
but then you the bad side is you get
24:00
stuff like this where
24:01
what did this really add that one we
24:04
needed aside from the void forge bonus
24:08
rolls, which also
24:10
I mean I haven't really heard anybody
24:12
screaming about. Like this would have
24:13
been great if this had been in from day
24:15
one. Um but like at this point most
24:19
raids most guilds that are raiding have
24:21
already like gotten most of the stuff
24:24
that they need for tier have already
24:26
gotten, you know, not all of us cuz some
24:28
of us are still on like you know, weird
24:31
rings and and trinkets cuz there's just
24:33
so many of them that it's hard to get
24:34
the the right ones,
24:36
but the bosses that drop those things
24:38
are either the last boss of the raid, so
24:40
you're not using your bonus roll anyway,
24:42
at least I'm not until we get to like
24:45
heroic uh Lu'ra.
24:47
Um and like
24:49
it just doesn't really add anything now
24:52
when it would have been a way better at
24:53
the beginning
24:55
when the expansion and the first tier of
24:58
raids was released. But like the void
25:01
assaults, okay, that's cool. Uh why do
25:03
we have them now?
25:04
Technically we completed the void story
25:06
in air quote, right? Um that should have
25:09
been a release feature in my opinion.
25:12
Um the stuff with transmog being broken,
25:15
what did they do to transmog, right?
25:17
Uh
25:18
decor or a pre-release feature. Yes, but
25:23
Funny mention that cuz the pre the
25:25
pre-expansion event was pretty
25:26
lightweight. I mean you could go to go
25:28
to Twilight Highlands, kill a bunch of
25:30
things, get some gear.
25:32
But it was not it was not a very
25:34
exciting it wasn't an exciting event.
25:36
No, and and and this would this would
25:38
have made more sense to me as a pre
25:40
pre-release event cuz it's like all
25:42
these assaults are happening all over
25:43
the place and you know, but they again,
25:47
I don't understand the decision-making
25:48
behind it. And then like decor duels,
25:50
okay, that's a nice feature to add. Why
25:52
is it being added now?
25:55
Why is it why is it something that's
25:57
happening this early in the expansion?
25:59
Like I'm I'm throwing this out there
26:01
because like it's another game mode
26:03
being added to the game already and yes,
26:06
I understand that it's something you can
26:07
choose to engage with or not,
26:09
but it's like but what's the purpose of
26:12
it now? Wouldn't it have been better
26:15
when things were starting to slow down
26:17
or you know, maybe later on in the
26:20
expansion life cycle when you're looking
26:22
for stuff to do? To me this is something
26:24
that would have been better added at
26:26
like the the little downtime that
26:28
happens at the end of the last raid tier
26:30
as you're waiting for the pre content of
26:32
the next expansion to pop up. And if you
26:34
like, you know, uh decor duels I'm not
26:37
not trying to to to clown on them. I
26:39
apologize. It just the the logic of
26:43
dropping it now doesn't necessarily make
26:44
sense to me, especially when the housing
26:46
feature is still brand new and very
26:49
clearly buggy. You keep tying this to
26:52
the housing feature and I don't think
26:54
it's really related to the housing
26:55
feature. I mean, it's it uses a standard
26:59
like vehicle interface for all of its
27:02
for all of its stuff.
27:03
And I mean it's fun. It adds to the
27:06
variety of things there are to do and
27:08
you know, it's a good downtime activity.
27:10
We're talking about how there's so much
27:12
to do, but also we are doing a lot of
27:15
raiding and so it feels like there's a
27:18
lot to do to raid and to advance your
27:19
character to grind reputations, things
27:21
like that. Not everyone not everyone
27:23
plays like that. They might enjoy
27:25
something like this that is more casual,
27:27
that is not not gear oriented.
27:31
So, I see that it has a place.
27:34
It has a little kind of niche off off
27:37
off center sort of place and it's it's I
27:39
think it's fun. I think it's fun.
27:43
Except for you know, the first time I
27:44
played I hid way too well and that was a
27:47
problem. But yeah, but that's the other
27:49
side of the coin though, too, right?
27:50
Like I'm not saying that it's not fun
27:51
for people. I I just again, there's so
27:54
much to do at the beginning of the
27:55
expansion even if you're not raiding
27:57
that like if it feels like that it also
28:00
feels like a feature that could have
28:01
used a little more time in the oven
28:03
um because of stuff like that, right?
28:05
And there's also been other weird things
28:07
where like visual bugs um like the and I
28:11
tie it to housing because of the very
28:13
obvious thing that happened with at the
28:15
same time of release and they they
28:16
haven't confirmed any of this, but my my
28:19
programmer brain uh and my my years of
28:22
like doing this stuff says that it has
28:23
something to do tied back with the
28:24
catalog for housing decor that you have
28:28
um and how it interacts with player
28:30
characters because player characters are
28:31
nothing but a basically access database
28:35
like toggles, right? And so, the same
28:38
thing with decor, what you have and how
28:40
many of the piece of decor you have is
28:42
sort of that same thing. It's a database
28:43
entry and turning yourself into
28:46
something feels like it also uses that
28:48
catalog in some way because one of the
28:50
things that was broken with housing as
28:52
soon as it was released was
28:54
like they turned off all housing. You
28:56
also couldn't learn anything. They
28:58
turned off the catalog completely. And
29:00
like it felt way too coincidental. So,
29:03
again, you might be right and I'm not
29:04
saying it's not fun. It just for me it
29:07
seems like a later feature a later patch
29:09
feature. But hey,
29:11
again, it's just to long story short and
29:15
I've said a lot here and I apologize.
29:17
It's a fine it's an okay patch. I I
29:19
could have lived without it is really
29:21
what it boils down to. It didn't give me
29:22
anything that I really
29:24
that I personally cared about. Yeah, and
29:27
there was a measure of it, too, which is
29:29
just the volume of content that came out
29:32
kind of made it feel like there wasn't
29:33
any content if that makes any sense.
29:36
Uh cuz they they felt kind of unfocused.
29:39
It felt like nothing was really fleshed
29:41
out in any depth and it was more just
29:43
throwing everything against the wall and
29:45
seeing what stuck for people within the
29:47
expansion, although because of that I
29:49
feel like most people, even if they are
29:50
interested in some of this stuff, will
29:51
be done with it in about 3 weeks.
29:54
I mean, let let let me run down a quick
29:55
list of like
29:56
everything we got. We forgot void
29:58
incursions, we got nag invasions, uh we
30:01
got abyssal anglers. I mean, have you
30:03
guys even tried that yet? Nope, haven't
30:05
touched it.
30:05
>> I'm doing it in game right now. All
30:07
right. Uh we got decor duels.
30:10
Um but this is on top of what we got at
30:12
the start of the expansion, which was uh
30:14
the Arcana, which I loved and have yet
30:16
to even set foot into it again because
30:18
I've been so busy with everything else.
30:20
Uh the soirees, that tower defense thing
30:23
in the uh the void,
30:25
um the memories in Harrogath, the
30:28
uh the pray. I mean, I would love for it
30:30
if they actually added something to pray
30:32
or any one of the systems they first
30:33
came up with. Um more so than getting
30:35
say an abyssal anglers again, which I'm
30:37
sure is you fun enough.
30:38
>> You need to stop being in my brain.
30:40
I love you. Like like literally, like I
30:42
had that same thought like like there's
30:44
there's there's all these
30:45
[clears throat] all these beautiful
30:45
systems that they put into the game. Why
30:47
aren't they adding like new hunts or
30:50
something like that, expanding that?
30:52
Sorry, please continue, but like yeah,
30:53
you are you are picking this straight
30:54
out of the depths of my brain.
30:56
I mean, to be fair, we don't know that
30:58
there won't be new hunts in further
30:59
patches. No, we don't. It might just be
31:02
some stuff waiting and without. Um I I
31:06
heard Liz about to talk, so let's go
31:07
ahead.
31:08
And this is also a 0.5 patch. This is
31:10
not a major feature patch. This is, you
31:13
know, Yet they added like they added
31:15
they added new features.
31:17
Yeah, I think the fact
31:18
>> lots [laughter] of but they're adding
31:19
little features. This is not I this is
31:22
not like a big headline feature kind of
31:24
patch, you know? Well, I would I would I
31:27
would argue against that little bit and
31:29
just say like I think you're right for
31:30
most things, but prop hunt was
31:31
advertised well in advance of midnight.
31:33
Yeah, I mean, they they announced it
31:35
when they announced I mean,
31:38
Also kind of my point though is that it
31:39
shouldn't be this sort of like buried in
31:42
content. Uh especially when the content
31:44
itself sort of uh both A comes in buggy
31:47
and B um the depth of it all is just uh
31:50
transmog.
31:51
Um cuz yeah, decor duels does look like
31:53
fun, but I have yet to get in there and
31:55
I'm scared to go in there when I found
31:56
out that like going
31:58
not moving would get you to be AFK and
31:59
AFK would get you kicked out of the
32:00
instance with no reward. And at the same
32:02
time, the opposite is happening with
32:03
void incursions, so
32:06
It's it's odd logic there.
32:08
Yeah. I mean, I almost had the thought
32:09
too of like would I preferred this like
32:12
second daily issue content over another
32:14
plunderstorm?
32:16
Cuz plunderstorm is very direct. You
32:17
just jump in, you get that stuff done.
32:20
It's popcorn type of entertainment. I
32:22
mean, right now, it a second
32:24
plunderstorm would be a really good way
32:26
to get me to not look at the your patch,
32:28
so
32:29
>> [laughter]
32:29
>> it's one of those situations where you
32:30
can't always win with people. Yeah, but
32:32
they also it it's it's a separate
32:35
environment to itself, so it's one that
32:36
they don't have to go through and just
32:37
add different logic for programming
32:39
systems and test them against realms,
32:40
which they didn't.
32:42
Um or do anything else of that degree
32:44
that sort of like interrupts other
32:46
systems in the game as they're kind of
32:47
shoring up what happened on the release.
32:49
So, there's a funny strategy to all of
32:52
this and I just kind of wonder like what
32:53
is the best medicine for another patch,
32:55
so
32:57
But yeah, for the most part, uh there's
32:59
so much content in game right now that I
33:00
kind of don't feel like doing any of it
33:02
if that makes any sense, so Mhm. Yeah, I
33:04
think to a certain degree the fact that
33:06
this is supposed to be a 0.5 patch and
33:08
people don't expect content might be
33:09
working against it,
33:11
possibly unfairly, because people see
33:13
all this content and are like, "Well, we
33:14
already had so much content." Uh but for
33:18
other people like myself,
33:20
a lot of that content is better with a
33:22
group. Um even if it's soloable, it's
33:24
not always like delves are soloable,
33:27
um but sometimes I find like
33:29
for some characters it doesn't seem to
33:31
work for me. So, I I appreciate that
33:33
they brought in
33:35
uh the void assaults just because those
33:37
that's content I feel like I can do.
33:39
Like pretty much always. I've I've had
33:40
no trouble with that. And it's quick.
33:43
Like I can go in, do it, and then get
33:45
back to the game I'm, you know, obsessed
33:47
and in love with. So,
33:49
there's there's that to be said for it,
33:50
but I get what why people might be like
33:52
this, you know, why did we need all this
33:54
content if it wasn't even going to be
33:56
working, you know, when the patch
33:57
dropped?
33:58
I I can see that being an And like I
34:00
said, I'm still trying to get to the
34:01
content that would came with the release
34:02
of the game. Like I'd love to start
34:04
doing some more contiguous stuff. I'd
34:05
love to start doing some more
34:07
soiree stuff, or soirees, I don't even
34:09
know how you say it, but anyways,
34:11
uh but there's there's so much stuff
34:13
that's out there right now that is deep,
34:15
is involved, and can help me get
34:16
transmog and level some of these
34:17
reputations that
34:19
it it feels like, how do I put this?
34:22
Uh they already sold you the car and now
34:24
they're trying to just sell you like on
34:27
an on a wagon to attach to it. And
34:29
you're like, "But the car's great, I'm
34:30
fine. If you attach this wagon to it,
34:32
I'm going to hate the car." So And and
34:34
your mileage is going to vary, right?
34:35
Like we these are all just our opinions
34:37
and obviously that that goes without
34:38
saying, but
34:39
you know, some some people are going to
34:41
be very happy with this patch, some
34:42
people are not going to be very happy.
34:43
You can't please
34:45
everybody all of the time. And in fact,
34:47
with wow players, you mostly can never
34:49
please them. Um and unfortunately this
34:52
is a patch
34:52
>> And at least this unfortunately this
34:54
happens to be a patch that falls into
34:55
that category for me, which is it was
34:57
just fine. I've got Diablo to go play,
34:59
which we're going to talk about in a
35:00
minute.
35:01
I'm hoping we going to talk about it in
35:02
a minute cuz we're going to talk about
35:03
it now unless someone stops me.
35:05
Um Diablo 4, Liz, what? Completely come
35:08
on, go.
35:09
>> [laughter]
35:13
>> I think this is kind of if it weren't
35:16
full of bugs, this is kind of the
35:17
perfect 0.5 patch because it's
35:21
>> agree with you. I got to say that. I
35:22
agree. Because it's just it's all kinds
35:24
of little diversions that, you know,
35:26
some people are going to like, some
35:28
people aren't going to care about, but
35:30
they're diversions. They're other things
35:32
you can do in game. And I think I think
35:34
that's fun. I think decor duels is fun.
35:36
I think that abyssal anglers is fun. And
35:40
these are just fun little fun little
35:42
side activities in a patch that is not
35:44
rolling out major features. Um yeah, but
35:48
yeah, it's it's really brought down by
35:50
the pile of bugs. Before we move on, I
35:52
do want to give Anna credit because Anna
35:54
and Chad said something that I
35:55
definitely agree with, which is I wish
35:57
it was a 12-week cycle. That would make
35:59
more sense to me and stuff like that.
36:01
>> cycle, you know? It feels weird to be in
36:03
a place where we're actually complaining
36:05
that there's
36:06
content coming out.
36:07
>> could we could be in Siege of Orgrimmar
36:09
again. I understand that. We could.
36:11
>> but at the same time, it does feel like
36:13
we've kind of it has gotten to the point
36:15
where the the content will be out in 8
36:18
weeks no matter what.
36:19
>> Yeah. And it's just like,
36:21
"No, guys, it's okay. Breathe. Go see
36:23
your family. I've never seen my family.
36:25
I don't even know if they really exist.
36:27
Maybe they were implanted in my mind."
36:30
Like, "Okay,
36:31
Jimmy looks a little upset." Regardless,
36:34
I I do think that we're going to now
36:35
talk about Diablo. Diablo 4 is so good,
36:37
guys. Oh my god, it's so good. I'm so
36:40
happy.
36:41
Uh Liz, you were you actually did this
36:43
before the uh
36:45
the Tuesday release or actually the
36:46
Monday release because it released
36:48
Monday afternoon.
36:50
Um
36:51
how how are you finding
36:53
Lord of Hatred before I start going off
36:55
like a maniac about how great it is? I
36:57
think Lord of Hatred is pretty great.
37:00
And I also think that over the long term
37:02
it's going to suffer from the same
37:03
problems Diablo will always suffers
37:04
from, which is that it eventually gets
37:07
tedious because you're just doing the
37:09
same thing. So, I I hope Lord of Hatred
37:12
comes with like an updated philosophy
37:14
for long-term
37:16
care and maintenance of the game, but I
37:18
don't know if it will, so that's like I
37:21
love Lord of Hatred. I
37:24
don't get me wrong. This is the best
37:26
Diablo 4 has ever been. It is more fun
37:29
to play. It is easier to get into. It's
37:31
there are all sorts of cool crazy
37:33
customizations for your skills that just
37:35
weren't an option before that are also
37:37
easier to understand and more
37:39
accessible. You can have more options to
37:41
play how you want to play, which is
37:44
great. And once you get to the end game,
37:46
war plans unlock, and they let you kind
37:50
of they give you these like bite-size
37:52
pieces of end game content that kind of
37:54
give you a little bit of a road map for
37:55
what are you going to do. So, there's
37:57
none of that logging on like, "Oh, do I
37:59
want to do nightmare dungeons? Do I want
38:01
to do the pit? I guess I could do so I
38:03
guess I have an infernal compass here."
38:05
And you know, you're just kind of
38:06
spinning your gears. Or maybe run the
38:08
pit for like 3 hours until your eyes are
38:11
bleeding and you're bored to death. The
38:13
war plans give you bonus rewards for
38:16
doing activities in your war plan. And
38:20
they kind of break out your end game
38:21
content into bite-size defined pieces
38:24
that make it easy to jump in and out of.
38:26
So, like if you just I have 20 minutes
38:28
to play. Okay, I'm going to go in. I'm
38:29
going to do one war plan. I'll get all
38:31
of the normal rewards from doing those
38:33
activities, and then I'm going to get a
38:35
bonus reward for doing the war plan.
38:38
I
38:39
Everything about this is good.
38:40
Everything about Diablo 4 right now is
38:43
good, I think. So, if you're if you're
38:45
on the fence about getting the
38:46
expansion, it is super fun. I think it's
38:49
worth the cost of admission just to play
38:50
through the expansion once if that's all
38:52
you want to do. The story is a lot of
38:53
fun. The gameplay is a lot of fun. Even
38:56
the end game, which I always think gets
38:59
grindy and tedious after a while, is
39:01
really fun.
39:02
Uh so, I think this is this is great.
39:05
Diablo is feeling really good right now.
39:07
Do you mind if I ask something
39:09
on top of that to just go along with
39:10
that?
39:11
Is it
39:12
>> [laughter]
39:12
>> Is it having like that Diablo 3
39:14
renaissance?
39:15
And what I mean by that is Diablo 3
39:17
started off
39:18
interesting, different, uh the systems
39:21
in play
39:22
Yeah, systems in play kind of failed
39:23
some people, but then like a year, a
39:25
couple years later, they figured out the
39:26
end game and it just became one of the
39:28
best experiences. Like it just was great
39:30
to play and fun to do everything in, so
39:32
I think it's too early to say if this is
39:34
Reaper of Souls level.
39:36
Yeah. Reaper of Souls came along like a
39:38
master stroke. Yeah. And it's a little
39:40
early to say that for this, but I will
39:42
say that it feels like they somebody
39:45
said, "Hey, wait a minute. Didn't Reaper
39:47
of Souls do something about this?"
39:49
There's a fair amount of Reaper of Souls
39:51
in this expansion.
39:52
>> Yeah, one thing I'm talking about, you
39:54
know, how great the skill trees feel.
39:56
Well,
39:58
these are these are Diablo 3 skill
40:00
trees, guys. We've gone Diablo 3 on how
40:02
our skills are laid out. It definitely
40:04
has that feeling at times. They're still
40:06
arranged in a tree format, whereas
40:08
Diablo 3's are not in a tree format, but
40:11
it's basically, okay, you pick your
40:13
active skills, and then you pick
40:15
modifiers for those skills, which are
40:17
level locked. And you combine whichever
40:20
skills you want with whichever modifiers
40:22
you want, and as you level, you get
40:24
access to more skills and more
40:25
modifiers. This is This is feels very
40:29
Diablo 3 to me. And I agree with that.
40:33
>> the more Diablo 4 improves, the more
40:36
Diablo 4 is borrowing from Diablo 3,
40:38
because Diablo 3 had a hard time.
40:42
It launched in a rough state that a lot
40:44
of people were did not love for a whole
40:46
lot of reasons.
40:48
And it spent a decade learning hard
40:51
lessons, listening to player feedback,
40:53
and improving the game that Diablo 4
40:57
kind of threw a lot of that out the
40:58
window, cuz cuz they thought, "Okay,
41:00
this is the game we're making. This is
41:02
the game we want." And they kind of
41:05
threw a lot of those learnings away, but
41:07
they're coming back around to a lot of
41:09
them.
41:10
Diablo 3 is a great place to take
41:11
lessons from, because that is one of the
41:13
best end games out there. Except for one
41:15
thing.
41:16
I I really I really really really wish
41:19
you could take your eternal character in
41:20
a non-season. That's the one
41:21
>> yeah. That's
41:22
>> the the seasons are a complete problem.
41:24
And I will challenge I will challenge
41:26
one thing you said, Liz, just slightly.
41:28
I think that a new player coming back to
41:30
the game looking at these skill trees
41:32
for the first time is going to feel
41:33
overwhelmed initially.
41:35
Um because the game does not do a very
41:37
good job of explaining it to you in
41:38
game.
41:39
>> No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I think
41:41
in that way, the way Diablo 3 presents
41:44
its skills is much more approachable,
41:46
because it's like, okay, you have this
41:47
many skill
41:49
uh you have this many skill options that
41:51
you can unlock, and you have and then
41:53
once you select a skill, you see all the
41:55
modifiers, whereas Diablo 4 shows you
41:57
everything all at once in a giant tree.
42:00
And that is that is kind of
42:01
intimidating. I am going to laugh so
42:04
much if Diablo 4 changes its skill tree
42:06
format to be like a Diablo 3 style
42:09
thing, where you just pick a you know,
42:11
pick an active skill out of a box and
42:13
then click on a modifier you want from
42:15
that active skill.
42:16
I'm going to call this out real quick,
42:18
cuz I think this is funny, and I had
42:19
this discussion at work. The tree
42:20
actually reminds me
42:22
more of if Diablo 3 and Path of Exile 2
42:26
had a baby. Because if you've ever seen
42:29
the skill tree from Path of Exile 2,
42:31
it's basically the sphere grid from
42:33
Final Fantasy 10. And it allows for
42:35
infinite customization of your
42:37
character. And as I was looking through
42:39
the tree today before the podcast, um
42:42
and like respecking out my my bear
42:44
druid, cuz it will only ever be a bear
42:45
druid, thank you very much.
42:47
Um
42:48
like looking at that, I'm like the first
42:50
thing that thought to my that came to my
42:51
mind as I'm going through these options
42:52
is
42:53
this feels a lot like when I'm
42:55
customizing my witch in Path of Exile.
42:57
It feels like a lot of like, okay, well,
43:00
I'm choosing a node here instead of
43:01
slotting a gem, but it's the same thing.
43:04
Um and it's not a bad thing. I want to
43:06
make I want to make that perfectly
43:07
clear. I do not think that's a bad
43:08
thing. I think Path of Exile is a very
43:11
flexible
43:13
uh
43:13
you know, skill tree system for ARPGs
43:16
and allows uh an overwhelming amount of
43:19
customization. Diablo 3, I felt didn't
43:22
give enough uh as far as like
43:24
customization went. I never really felt
43:26
like I had unique builds or to go back
43:27
through in Diablo 3. Diablo 4, at least
43:30
now, I feel like I can go and try
43:31
different builds, but the biggest thing
43:33
about it that is probably the
43:36
biggest benefit is that as you're going
43:37
through these trees, you can make skills
43:40
interact with your preferred way to play
43:43
the game. So, certain skills can be made
43:45
to be in my case, oh, X is not a
43:48
werewolf bear skill. I think petrify,
43:50
like my ultimate, is I can make it a
43:52
bear skill. So, that I'm in bear form, I
43:55
can cast this, and I'm not a human. I
43:57
want to be A BEAR. I JUST WANT TO BE A
43:58
GIANT BEAR. This this lets me do that.
44:00
Um
44:01
>> I want to speak I want to jump off that,
44:03
if you don't mind, Joe. Yeah, please.
44:04
>> one of the things I'm noticing as I
44:06
played like I've played two barbarians
44:08
to 70 now. Um and now I'm working on
44:11
either a druid or a paladin for the
44:13
season
44:14
is
44:15
one of the things I've I found
44:16
interesting about the the talent system
44:18
is it isn't quite enough to max out the
44:22
base level of your character
44:24
of every skill. Like the of the skills
44:26
you're going to be picking, you will not
44:28
have enough points to go to 15 in all of
44:30
them. By the way, the ranks are now up
44:32
to 50.
44:33
You can probably get two like I found
44:35
that I can get two
44:37
up to 15 and get all their fill-in stuff
44:39
around it.
44:41
But the RS are like floating at 10.
44:43
Yeah, I feel like I I feel like I feel
44:45
like this is the other thing about it,
44:46
too, is like you start hitting like
44:47
diminishing returns as soon as you start
44:48
crossing the 10 mark, where like it
44:50
feels better to go invest in something
44:52
else instead of putting it higher.
44:53
That's the thing. If you want, you can
44:55
go to 15, or you can get up to 10 or 11
44:58
and then say, "Okay, I want to unlock
45:00
one of these round dealies and the other
45:02
round dealy, but I can only get two of
45:04
the four." And then, of course, there's
45:05
the three talents at the end. I can only
45:08
pick one of them.
45:09
And
45:10
it it allows you to have two characters
45:13
like from someone who's me, who plays
45:14
like a lot of barbarians, I have
45:17
a a lot of barbarians.
45:19
Um
45:20
I can play them all very differently,
45:22
very differently. There is a enormous
45:25
amount I think Path of Exile is a good
45:27
comparison. I also think um other
45:30
There's other ARPGs that have done
45:31
something similar.
45:32
It just it feels very close to I can
45:37
actually customize my character. Like
45:39
your loadout is there.
45:41
>> we're almost there, right? Like we're
45:42
almost exactly there. I still think
45:45
there's going to be a little bit of gear
45:46
dependence, but I think it's also a good
45:47
place to talk about how gear has
45:49
changed, because one of the things that
45:50
happens is
45:52
um a lot of abilities that were on
45:54
unique gear are now just abilities you
45:57
can have. Yeah. uh in your talent
45:59
system. Huge. And because of that, a lot
46:02
of gear doesn't do the same thing it
46:05
used to do. There's not Gear doesn't
46:07
seem to change your play style as much
46:10
in Diablo 4. It feels like you pick your
46:12
play style at the character level with
46:13
your talents, and then what you do is
46:15
you find gear that enhances it. But I'll
46:18
leave that to you guys if you think want
46:20
to argue against it or for it. No, I I
46:22
definitely agree with that. I I think
46:23
that's a that's a really good point. So,
46:26
I mean, huge change. I think that's also
46:28
a really massive change.
46:30
Um do we haven't even mentioned how
46:32
charms are are added to the game, cuz
46:34
people remember charms from Diablo 2,
46:37
um which were just things you threw in
46:39
your bag and gave you a passive effect,
46:41
but they took up uh inventory space, you
46:43
know, um they've changed it so like it's
46:46
now a thing where, you know, it's mild
46:48
spoilers of how you get it, so I'm not
46:50
going to mention how you get it. Um but
46:52
it's one of the first things you get
46:53
when you start playing the new
46:54
expansion, so you'll you'll learn real
46:55
quick. Um but it's an extra just
46:59
character screen panel that you can
47:01
interact with, uh kind of like how gems
47:03
and socketable items are on their own
47:04
their own tab. Charms are, too. And
47:07
charms you can unlock I think it's what,
47:09
six maximum is the Six maximum, five is
47:12
the highest I currently can find. Yeah.
47:14
Uh and it it gives you passive bonuses
47:17
or benefits to your character, whether
47:18
it's
47:19
uh increasing your crit chance or or
47:21
whatever the case is. Even the base
47:22
charm that lets you unlock the sockets
47:25
around it gives you passive benefits.
47:27
It's a really cool, clever
47:29
reinterpretation of Diablo 2. Kind of
47:32
like But how they brought set bonuses
47:35
back? It's also a really great
47:38
interpretation of the Diablo 3 sets,
47:41
which were really cool to get a set in
47:43
Diablo 3, but also it was kind of a
47:46
problem, because when you got a set in
47:50
Diablo 3, it's like all of a sudden all
47:51
of my gear goes in the trash. I have to
47:53
equip the entire set. And it's like I
47:56
can't do anything else. It's totally
47:58
build defining, but you've got to before
48:00
you can even play that build, you've got
48:02
to collect every piece of armor and
48:05
equip it. And that feels kind of lame.
48:07
So, here they've added set bonuses like
48:10
you would find in Diablo 3, but they've
48:12
attached it to something else. It's
48:14
charms. And it's a flexible system. So,
48:18
okay, I could equip a full set of one
48:21
charm and have all of the set bonuses
48:24
for that for that set of charms. Or I
48:26
could do two and two from two different
48:28
sets and get two two-piece bonuses.
48:31
And I can easily change them up, and all
48:34
the while I keep all of my gear, my
48:37
normal gear that gives me, you know,
48:39
whatever effects I want. And I agree
48:41
with everybody that gear is less
48:44
impactful, that it's it's less build
48:46
defining, because the build defining
48:48
stuff has moved into the skill tree. But
48:51
but also, you can still get you can
48:53
still get gear that is really a big
48:55
boost. So, now you can have set bonuses,
48:57
but you can also have your gear
49:00
customized however you want it.
49:02
I should actually I'm going to go for an
49:04
example that I had. But going into
49:06
the expansion, I had a a build that I
49:08
just hit upon for for the barbarian in
49:11
my season
49:12
that basically allowed me to get to
49:13
torment four briefly. Like I I got to
49:16
torment four yesterday. And then,
49:18
obviously, that no longer mattered. Um
49:21
but that character had a build that
49:23
basically turned uh Hammer of the
49:25
Ancients and Death Blow into continuous
49:28
spam things during uh my ancients. When
49:32
I would summon ancients,
49:33
uh they'd show up, and one of them did a
49:35
thing where he created infinite rage for
49:37
me. Like like fury just wouldn't go
49:39
away. And as a result of that, I could
49:41
just hold down the hammer of the
49:44
ancients button which had a flash out
49:46
thing and death blow at the same time.
49:50
Because death blow, thanks to one of the
49:52
swords I had, death blow went from being
49:54
a weapon mastery skill to a core skill.
49:56
And that meant it it was basically free
49:59
because of this whole thing. I
50:01
Basically was it was annihilating
50:02
things. I couldn't do that anymore
50:05
in Diablo 4, but I could still have a
50:08
build where I made hammer of the
50:11
ancients do like three different things
50:14
and then the the pants I was wearing
50:16
amplified not pants the chest plate
50:19
amplified death blow so that it made
50:21
explosions
50:22
whenever it hit an earthquake which was
50:24
being randomly proc'd constantly. So I
50:27
was basically just sitting there
50:28
hammering the ground and melting things.
50:32
And that's still something where the
50:33
gear
50:35
directs you. Like when I didn't have
50:36
that breastplate I stopped using hammer
50:38
of the ancient because it wasn't cost
50:40
effective compared to upheaval.
50:42
But I did like that it was still there.
50:44
I also liked that it a lot of the stuff
50:47
that used to get on uniques and be like,
50:48
okay, I'm never getting rid of that is
50:50
now in the talents. So you don't have to
50:53
necessarily go, okay, I can't get rid of
50:55
this this pair of pants unless the gear
50:58
is just so much better. You will
51:00
eventually just feel like, I know I can
51:01
get rid of the game pair of pants. It's
51:03
not it's not the spec defining anymore.
51:06
And I think that's kind of cool cuz it
51:07
won't make you feel like you're you're
51:09
like you talked about with sets. It
51:11
doesn't make you feel like you're tied
51:13
to the spec. Um so yeah, I like that
51:15
too. Um I'm going to say up front I
51:17
haven't played the warlock yet so I have
51:19
no idea
51:21
if they're good but but I've played
51:23
barbarian and paladin
51:25
and I'm enjoying the heck out of those.
51:27
So Well, they're pretty good in Diablo
51:29
2.
51:30
>> [laughter]
51:30
>> I can tell you that.
51:32
Druid go bear.
51:34
Yeah.
51:34
>> I like the druid more because it feels
51:36
like shaping is more of a thing for
51:39
Yeah, I I'm able it's easier for me to
51:41
permanently stay in bear now which makes
51:43
me happy which is what I used to do in
51:44
Diablo 2. Uh so like I'm super pleased.
51:47
So I let's go ahead The druid the druid
51:49
talent tree the druid talent tree has
51:51
like that extra layer of customization
51:53
that not the other talent trees don't.
51:55
The druid talent tree is unique because
51:57
it has these extra options to say, okay,
52:00
I'm a bear, I'm a wolf, you know, so you
52:03
can
52:05
it really lets them tailor their
52:08
their forms. Yeah, and Joe, you were
52:10
talking about how you've got like a
52:11
talent that turns uh is it petrify? What
52:14
was it?
52:14
>> Petrify petrify is a bear skill now.
52:16
Yeah, and I think that's great because
52:18
then like you said, you can basically
52:20
say, I don't want to not be a bear. Why
52:22
I cuz I used to say that in
52:24
in just plain old Dungeons and Dragons I
52:26
always feel like, why did you put a time
52:28
limit on how long I can be an animal
52:29
form? If you'd let me, I'd be a kitty
52:31
cat on the pommel of a horse forever.
52:34
I like let everyone else talk to be to
52:36
NPCs. I don't want to talk to them. I
52:38
just want to be a cat.
52:40
So yeah, I think that's really great. Um
52:42
I will say that I I I have feelings
52:44
about the story but I don't really feel
52:46
like it's important to talk about them
52:47
here. Uh we have an entire podcast for
52:50
that.
52:51
Yeah, we're going to have to talk about
52:52
this on Lore Watch. And it's going to be
52:54
a week or two before we get to that, I
52:56
think.
52:56
>> Yeah. Yeah, and I'm I'm really curious
52:59
to see what everyone thinks of the story
53:01
cuz I I have played through the whole
53:03
thing because It's already been ruined
53:05
for me and man do I have opinions. Oh,
53:08
is it? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Joe. Oh,
53:12
don't don't be. Don't be I I literally
53:15
walked into work today and one of my
53:17
co-workers who has been like literally
53:19
played through everything yesterday
53:22
started talking to me about the story
53:24
before I could even stop him and he he's
53:28
a very nice guy.
53:29
>> punch him? No. No, no, no, no. He's a
53:31
very nice guy. There is a reason he does
53:34
not understand social cues and it's
53:35
fine. But like it's he's a very nice man
53:40
and I just I kind of laughed and I was
53:41
like, okay, and I just kind of walked
53:43
away and I was like, well, I already
53:44
know what happens now. So okay, here we
53:46
go.
53:47
Do you know it's why I didn't I haven't
53:48
spoken to you about this? I am aware. I
53:51
am aware that I have not received any
53:53
messages from you and I know why, Matt,
53:54
and I appreciate you. But now you can
53:55
message me.
53:56
Yeah, I shut myself in a box
53:58
essentially. It was like, I can't talk
54:00
about this. I can't I can't. I know I
54:02
want to but I can't. Oh god, I want to.
54:05
Yeah, I was going to say I don't even
54:06
play Diablo 4 and I had it ruined for
54:08
me. So Yeah, and that's and that's not
54:10
again, I'm not I'm not mad. I'm not mad.
54:12
I don't know how 6K feels about it. I'm
54:13
not mad.
54:15
I will still experience it in game and
54:17
it'll be fine cuz this is this is the
54:18
same thing the exact same thing that
54:21
happened last expansion and you can hear
54:23
me talk about it the last time it came
54:25
out if you go back to the podcast cuz
54:27
the exact same person did the exact same
54:28
thing last [laughter] time.
54:32
Um but it's it's consistent. Yeah, but I
54:34
I I would like to talk about it cuz I do
54:36
have some very strong opinions.
54:38
Surprising no one, I'm sure. The
54:40
[clears throat]
54:41
Diablo genre and feminism. It's a it's a
54:44
thing, guys. It's a thing.
54:46
>> You could have just said Blizzard.
54:48
Sorry.
54:49
>> Yeah, but Diablo you're you are exactly
54:51
right. Diablo is
54:54
definitely a worse one of the worst
54:57
examples within the Blizzard hierarchy.
55:00
I don't even know if I would even say
55:03
it's that if it's not just generally
55:05
something else. But I again, we'll talk
55:07
about it. There's Yeah, there's the
55:09
bigger conversation. There's a pattern
55:11
that has emerged. Moving on.
55:12
>> And which we aren't talking about which
55:14
we aren't talking about cuz I don't want
55:16
to spoil it for people because I think
55:18
it was really fun to see those moments
55:20
in for myself without having anyone tell
55:23
me what was about to happen.
55:24
Instead, I think though looking at the
55:26
time that we should probably move on to
55:28
Liz doing site. Yes, that makes perfect
55:31
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55:32
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58:42
Do you think we have time to talk about
58:44
the mini sets
58:45
for Hearthstone that are releasing?
58:47
>> I can very quickly. I
58:49
I can hit this one up really fast. So
58:52
Hearthstone usually does mini sets in
58:54
between expansions which are a
58:56
collection of cards where you pay the
58:57
money you get the cards. That's it. But
59:00
a mini set has always been a collection
59:02
of sort of general cards
59:05
and
59:06
which is fine. You may just not get as
59:08
much stuff before your class as you'd
59:10
like. You may not get as much stuff
59:12
that's applicable to your play styles
59:14
you'd like. And um that could be a
59:17
bummer but I mean the benefit of the
59:19
mini sets was you you pay money you get
59:21
everything. You know what you're
59:22
getting. It's not that random pack
59:24
opening thing.
59:25
But now this year Hearthstone is doing a
59:29
new strategy which is they're
59:31
they are selling instead of a one big
59:34
mini set, they're selling class packs.
59:37
So, you can buy a druid class pack or a
59:40
hunter class pack and you get you get
59:42
it's like a mini set. You get all of the
59:44
cards in the class pack just
59:46
immediately. You don't there's no
59:48
messing around. There's no RNG. And um
59:52
you just get the cards.
59:53
And the first set of class packs packs
59:57
class packs is druid, hunter, paladin,
1:00:01
and mage. And you get just just this
1:00:04
particular set of cards. They haven't
1:00:06
all been revealed as of the time of this
1:00:09
right of this recording. But
1:00:12
a druid class is kind of from what we've
1:00:14
seen so far druid class set is playing
1:00:17
to the druid strengths with super
1:00:19
powerful cards that have delayed pass.
1:00:21
So, if you can survive to the end game,
1:00:23
you are going to crush it. Hunter class
1:00:26
set focuses on upgrades to your animal
1:00:28
companion effects. Paladin class set is
1:00:32
one of my favorites, which is really
1:00:35
super buffing those silver hand recruits
1:00:37
into a force to be reckoned with. And
1:00:39
the mage class set is focused on the lay
1:00:42
lines, which are powerful spells you
1:00:43
could upgrade over the course of the
1:00:45
game with more and more power or reduced
1:00:48
cost or trigger the effects additional
1:00:51
times. So, I mean some of these will
1:00:54
cater more to certain play styles than
1:00:56
others, but the thing is you buy the
1:00:58
pack, you get all the cards. So, how
1:01:00
does this wondrous thing how how much
1:01:03
does this wondrous thing cost you?
1:01:05
That's that could be the downside
1:01:07
because it used to be you'd pay I think
1:01:09
it was $20 for the mini set. These are
1:01:14
$10 each or you can get all four for
1:01:16
$20, which that that is actually
1:01:20
a value quotation mark if you were going
1:01:23
to if you were interested in playing
1:01:25
more than one of these classes. You can
1:01:26
also buy them with gold, which is an
1:01:28
in-game currency that
1:01:31
you just earn by playing the game. So,
1:01:33
that is always nice because Hearthstone
1:01:35
has increasingly limited what you can
1:01:37
buy with gold. So, it's nice you can
1:01:38
still buy these class sets with gold.
1:01:40
And
1:01:42
that's about it. They look neat. I will
1:01:43
say one one interesting little thing is
1:01:46
that
1:01:47
Blizzard has said so there three
1:01:49
expansions a year and they say each
1:01:51
expansion is going to have four class
1:01:53
sets. So,
1:01:55
is a question mark there is okay four
1:01:57
class sets four class sets four class
1:01:58
sets. That's one more class set than we
1:02:01
have classes. So, that raises a big
1:02:04
question mark as to
1:02:06
What
1:02:07
is one class getting two class sets?
1:02:11
Is there a new class coming this year?
1:02:13
So, yeah, it seems possible we're
1:02:16
teasing a new class.
1:02:20
There's already [clears throat] warlocks
1:02:21
warlocks too.
1:02:24
Uh
1:02:25
I mean the rumor the rumor for a while
1:02:26
has been monk, but that is indeed just a
1:02:29
rumor because uh the people love new
1:02:31
shiny things and there aren't monks in
1:02:32
game yet. That's not already in the
1:02:34
game?
1:02:36
Not in Hearthstone. No, there's only
1:02:37
what there's there's 10 classes I think,
1:02:40
right? Eight classes? There's an even
1:02:41
number I think. I don't know. I'd have
1:02:43
to I'd have to count. There's a demon
1:02:45
hunter already in the game?
1:02:46
>> is not my strong suit. I don't know.
1:02:49
A demon hunter is in the game and death
1:02:52
knight is in the game. Those are classes
1:02:54
that were added after launch. And but
1:02:57
monk no, there are no monks. Uh the
1:02:58
playable classes are currently death
1:03:01
knight, demon hunter, druid, hunter,
1:03:03
mage, paladin, priest, rogue, shaman,
1:03:06
warlock, warrior. There you go. So,
1:03:08
Okay.
1:03:10
There are 11 11 playable classes.
1:03:12
However, I do think it would be cool if
1:03:13
they got a new class and I would just
1:03:15
certainly like it if it was monks or
1:03:16
evocers or if they made an entirely new
1:03:18
class just for Hearthstone. But but
1:03:21
don't make it the warlock
1:03:22
>> Don't make it the warlock from from the
1:03:24
Diablo. That would just be weird, guys.
1:03:27
This is the original warlock and Amazon.
1:03:30
I was just going to say I literally just
1:03:32
said the monkey paw curl is going to be
1:03:34
the this is how they're going to give us
1:03:35
Amazons.
1:03:36
>> [laughter]
1:03:38
[gasps]
1:03:39
>> All right.
1:03:40
Okay. I would I would I would riot.
1:03:42
That's I'm I'm not There would be a
1:03:45
riot. I'm just telling you right now.
1:03:48
Waiting on my Amazon and I'm I'm I'm
1:03:51
holding on to the hope that they just
1:03:53
didn't want to release three classes at
1:03:55
a time and they're going to shadow drop
1:03:57
it in a future patch and I'm just going
1:03:58
to be a joyous day. We're on Scovos.
1:04:03
GIVE ME AMAZON. SORRY.
1:04:05
YEAH, especially since they make the
1:04:06
Amazons cool in Scovos. You know what I
1:04:08
mean? They were always cool, Matt. Yeah,
1:04:10
but even if you didn't like them in D3
1:04:12
D2 because you weren't necessarily a
1:04:15
range type, the pal the the Amazons in
1:04:18
Scovos actually pick up spears and stab
1:04:20
people in the face with them. So,
1:04:21
finally I can understand and respect
1:04:24
this. You could do that in Diablo 2
1:04:26
also. You could you could play with
1:04:28
javelins. You could play with spears and
1:04:30
just stabby stabby. So, yeah, go ahead
1:04:32
bring them back. Come on. Let's go. I I
1:04:34
I actually like them now. They're cool.
1:04:37
I I especially love when they're like,
1:04:38
"I'm not letting you wander around this
1:04:40
island by yourself. What are you
1:04:41
insane?" And you're like, "Everyone else
1:04:43
does."
1:04:44
I just you know, it's I love the
1:04:46
Amazons.
1:04:46
>> the protag the protagonist in Diablo 4
1:04:49
is if you're a Diablo protagonist,
1:04:52
you're a little crazy at least. Cuz none
1:04:54
of this is a good idea. None of it ever.
1:04:57
You have survived Sanctuary. You are not
1:05:01
right.
1:05:03
exactly criticize somebody that that
1:05:05
should know less better is saying, "You
1:05:08
sure you want to do this to you?" And
1:05:09
you're like,
1:05:11
"You? You're saying this? You?" But at
1:05:13
we at this point we we keep we got to
1:05:14
go. We got to stop cuz the show has to
1:05:16
end.
1:05:18
>> Yes, I really
1:05:20
>> true. That's I'm out of pretending I
1:05:22
wasn't trying to play it during the
1:05:23
entire podcast. So, yeah, this has been
1:05:26
the Blizzard Watch podcast. Uh thank you
1:05:28
to Six for being our special guest and
1:05:30
thank you to Liz and Joe for as always
1:05:32
keeping this podcast going and thank you
1:05:34
to you our listeners because you also
1:05:37
help keep this podcast going. And yeah,
1:05:40
they'll be back next week, guys. I hope.
1:05:42
I mean I certainly think we will be
1:05:44
back.
1:05:45
Who knows?
1:05:47
If [laughter] if they release the Amazon
1:05:48
class, then we might not. Who knows? Oh,
1:05:50
yeah, I you're not going to see me.
1:05:52
>> Then this becomes a live play channel.
1:05:55
>> [laughter]
1:05:56
>> Bye, everybody. All Amazons all the
1:05:58
time.
1:05:59
>> Goodbye, everyone. Thank you.
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